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jtelroy

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Theories
« on: March 25, 2010, 09:21:36 AM »
If we use Gould's definiton of a theory, it is an explanation and interpretation of observable data.  A Fact is simply observable data.

So with this definition FET is a valid theory, sort of.

The problem is that it discounts many facts by calling them fake or illusions.

Fact:  We can see that the Earth has an apparent curvature with the way thing disappear over the horizon.
Response:  Illusion.

Fact:  We can see the curvature of the Earth in photos taken from space.
Response: Faked

This makes me hesitant to call FET a good theory.  It is not an interpretation and explanation of all observable facts in that is explanations and interpretations are simply discrediting facts.

Discuss.
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Tom Bishop

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Re: Theories
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2010, 09:36:33 AM »
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Fact:  We can see that the Earth has an apparent curvature with the way thing disappear over the horizon.
Response:  Illusion.

There is evidence that it is an illusion.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Ships+appear+to+sink+as+they+recede+past+the+horizon

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Fact:  We can see the curvature of the Earth in photos taken from space.
Response: Faked

There is evidence that NASA's media is untrustworthy.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Conspiracy
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jtelroy

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Re: Theories
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2010, 09:38:05 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on March 25, 2010, 09:36:33 AM
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Fact:  We can see that the Earth has an apparent curvature with the way thing disappear over the horizon.
Response:  Illusion.

There is evidence that it is an illusion.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Ships+appear+to+sink+as+they+recede+past+the+horizon

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Fact:  We can see the curvature of the Earth in photos taken from space.
Response: Faked

There is evidence that NASA's media is untrustworthy.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Conspiracy

I'll read that and respond shortly.
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jtelroy

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Re: Theories
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2010, 09:39:58 AM »
Well I will read it, but you've already proven me wrong with respect ot this:

FET has a valid explanation for why the claim the horizon as an illusion.

However, I say the point still stands for the conspiracy.

EDIT: upon reading, I found the theory flawed in that my observations have not met the ones described.
« Last Edit: March 25, 2010, 09:44:42 AM by jtelroy »
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brathearon

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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2010, 10:03:44 AM »
except, there is someone on this forum that did the experiment and got very different results

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=22317.0


and there is something wrong with just about every single video in that second link showing nasa is "untrustworthy"

for example, it shows that changing color to a higher contrast makes it a lower contrast.... how does that make sense? 

Or, that holding an object on its edge wont make it hang from its center of mass, that doesnt make sense either, lol

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jtelroy

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Re: Theories
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2010, 10:08:03 AM »
Quote from: brathearon on March 25, 2010, 10:03:44 AM
except, there is someone on this forum that did the experiment and got very different results

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=22317.0


and there is something wrong with just about every single video in that second link showing nasa is "untrustworthy"

for example, it shows that changing color to a higher contrast makes it a lower contrast.... how does that make sense? 

Or, that holding an object on its edge wont make it hang from its center of mass, that doesnt make sense either, lol



However, he has fufilled my complaints in showing that they can at least back up their disregard for facts.

I do agree with you that their explanations are sub-par, however they are sufficient to make FET count as a theory.

A debate on how correct the anit-Nasa and anti-light theories is better discussed elsewhere as Bishop has already shown himself to be right in this thread.
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Tom Bishop

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Re: Theories
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2010, 10:10:57 AM »
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except, there is someone on this forum that did the experiment and got very different results

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=22317.0

The person in that thread didn't use a telescope. Just the zoom on a camera lens.
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Ranger 3

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Re: Theories
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2010, 10:35:12 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on March 25, 2010, 10:10:57 AM
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except, there is someone on this forum that did the experiment and got very different results

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=22317.0

The person in that thread didn't use a telescope. Just the zoom on a camera lens.

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cropped image of ships taken with the D70s at 70mm. I didn't have my 300mm lens so it was this then up to the telescope
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jtelroy

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Re: Theories
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2010, 11:01:04 AM »
Quote from: Ranger 3 on March 25, 2010, 10:35:12 AM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on March 25, 2010, 10:10:57 AM
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except, there is someone on this forum that did the experiment and got very different results

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=22317.0

The person in that thread didn't use a telescope. Just the zoom on a camera lens.

Quote from: dyno
cropped image of ships taken with the D70s at 70mm. I didn't have my 300mm lens so it was this then up to the telescope


I used a telescope and observed different results.
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markjo

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Re: Theories
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2010, 12:03:28 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on March 25, 2010, 10:10:57 AM
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except, there is someone on this forum that did the experiment and got very different results

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=22317.0

The person in that thread didn't use a telescope. Just the zoom on a camera lens.

How does a camera with a powerful zoom lens not meet the criteria of a telescope?
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jtelroy

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Re: Theories
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2010, 12:13:35 PM »
Quote from: markjo on March 25, 2010, 12:03:28 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on March 25, 2010, 10:10:57 AM
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except, there is someone on this forum that did the experiment and got very different results

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=22317.0

The person in that thread didn't use a telescope. Just the zoom on a camera lens.

How does a camera with a powerful zoom lens not meet the criteria of a telescope?

There's a possibility it could have been a digital zoom as opposed to optical magnification which could potentially yield difference results.

However I've already said that I used a telescope an observed different phenomena then what is described in the article.
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2fst4u

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Re: Theories
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2010, 12:18:15 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on March 25, 2010, 09:36:33 AM
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Fact:  We can see that the Earth has an apparent curvature with the way thing disappear over the horizon.
Response:  Illusion.

There is evidence that it is an illusion.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Ships+appear+to+sink+as+they+recede+past+the+horizon

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Fact:  We can see the curvature of the Earth in photos taken from space.
Response: Faked

There is evidence that NASA's media is untrustworthy.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Conspiracy
Piss off with your faggotry pages. Nobody takes you seriously when you post them.
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jtelroy

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Re: Theories
« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2010, 12:37:27 PM »
Quote from: 2fst4u on March 25, 2010, 12:18:15 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on March 25, 2010, 09:36:33 AM
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Fact:  We can see that the Earth has an apparent curvature with the way thing disappear over the horizon.
Response:  Illusion.

There is evidence that it is an illusion.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Ships+appear+to+sink+as+they+recede+past+the+horizon

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Fact:  We can see the curvature of the Earth in photos taken from space.
Response: Faked

There is evidence that NASA's media is untrustworthy.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Conspiracy
Piss off with your faggotry pages. Nobody takes you seriously when you post them.

They were valid for this topic, as all I was asking was if FET made any attempt to reconcile with the observable data which contradicts it.

The validity of said attempts are a debate for a different thread.
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Jack

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Re: Theories
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2010, 02:36:27 PM »
Quote from: 2fst4u on March 25, 2010, 12:18:15 PM
Piss off with your faggotry pages. Nobody takes you seriously when you post them.
Keep inflammatory comments out of the upper forums, please.
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2fst4u

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Re: Theories
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2010, 02:43:11 PM »
Quote from: Jack on March 25, 2010, 02:36:27 PM
Quote from: 2fst4u on March 25, 2010, 12:18:15 PM
Piss off with your faggotry pages. Nobody takes you seriously when you post them.
Keep inflammatory comments out of the upper forums, please.
If inflammatory comments aren't allowed, how come spam is?
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jtelroy

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Re: Theories
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2010, 02:47:16 PM »
Quote from: 2fst4u on March 25, 2010, 02:43:11 PM
Quote from: Jack on March 25, 2010, 02:36:27 PM
Quote from: 2fst4u on March 25, 2010, 12:18:15 PM
Piss off with your faggotry pages. Nobody takes you seriously when you post them.
Keep inflammatory comments out of the upper forums, please.
If inflammatory comments aren't allowed, how come spam is?

Technically, it isn't allowed.
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2fst4u

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Re: Theories
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2010, 02:49:19 PM »
Quote from: jtelroy on March 25, 2010, 02:47:16 PM
Quote from: 2fst4u on March 25, 2010, 02:43:11 PM
Quote from: Jack on March 25, 2010, 02:36:27 PM
Quote from: 2fst4u on March 25, 2010, 12:18:15 PM
Piss off with your faggotry pages. Nobody takes you seriously when you post them.
Keep inflammatory comments out of the upper forums, please.
If inflammatory comments aren't allowed, how come spam is?

Technically, it isn't allowed.
This I know. I am insinuating that Tom Bishop has posted spam and should be dealt with appropriately. His wiki does not provide one sliver of evidence and is packed lies and incorrect, warped observations. Every one of the articles has been proven as wrong.
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JBJosh

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Re: Theories
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2010, 03:11:04 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on March 25, 2010, 10:10:57 AM
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except, there is someone on this forum that did the experiment and got very different results

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=22317.0

The person in that thread didn't use a telescope. Just the zoom on a camera lens.

May I point you to a definition of telescope?

a magnifier of images of distant objects
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fbkj

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« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2010, 05:40:59 PM »
I pointed out that DSLR's dont have digital zoom in this thread why was it deleted :(
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2fst4u

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Re: Theories
« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2010, 05:44:33 PM »
Quote from: fbkj on March 25, 2010, 05:40:59 PM
I pointed out that DSLR's dont have digital zoom in this thread why was it deleted :(
That's a good question. I saw the original post and it didn't seem delete-worthy at all. It actually helped with the conversation greatly.
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jtelroy

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Re: Theories
« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2010, 05:46:09 PM »
Quote from: 2fst4u on March 25, 2010, 05:44:33 PM
Quote from: fbkj on March 25, 2010, 05:40:59 PM
I pointed out that DSLR's dont have digital zoom in this thread why was it deleted :(
That's a good question. I saw the original post and it didn't seem delete-worthy at all. It actually helped with the conversation greatly.

It's because FET is attempting to create a conspiracy to hide the fact that the earth is round.  Part of doing that was deleting your assertion that you were not using digital zoom.
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fbkj

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« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2010, 05:47:54 PM »
Quote from: 2fst4u on March 25, 2010, 05:44:33 PM
Quote from: fbkj on March 25, 2010, 05:40:59 PM
I pointed out that DSLR's dont have digital zoom in this thread why was it deleted :(
That's a good question. I saw the original post and it didn't seem delete-worthy at all. It actually helped with the conversation greatly.

you know what man i was scared when i saw it was you who replied since you tear people to shreds here, felt good about the unbolded part of your reply, now my neurosis has taken over due to the bolded part and my inability to distinguish sarcasm

my therapist owes you one  :D
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2fst4u

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Re: Theories
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2010, 05:59:15 PM »
I wasn't being sarcastic. It actually backed up the fact that it wasn't distorted in another way. It isolated the problem
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fbkj

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« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2010, 06:01:02 PM »
cool my now my self esteem owes you one
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EarthISroundISproven

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« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2010, 06:14:22 PM »
Tom Bishop is mad as a hatter. He thinks NASA is the only agency to ever go up into space as well. Well mr Bishop I'm an oceanic cartographer a research geologist. I've sailed every inch of this planet and I'm sorry to tell you that the world is round and that antarctica exists.
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2fst4u

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Re: Theories
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2010, 06:16:56 PM »
Quote from: EarthISroundISproven on March 25, 2010, 06:14:22 PM
... and that antarctica exists.
Nobody denys the existence of Antarctica.
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fbkj

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Re: Theories
« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2010, 06:18:44 PM »
Quote from: EarthISroundISproven on March 25, 2010, 06:14:22 PM
Tom Bishop is mad as a hatter. He thinks NASA is the only agency to ever go up into space as well. Well mr Bishop I'm an oceanic cartographer a research geologist. I've sailed every inch of this planet and I'm sorry to tell you that the world is round and that antarctica exists.

never thought id say this but read the FAQ

pardon me while i go throw up for even saying that
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EarthISroundISproven

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Re: Theories
« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2010, 06:20:04 PM »
Quote from: 2fst4u on March 25, 2010, 06:16:56 PM
Quote from: EarthISroundISproven on March 25, 2010, 06:14:22 PM
... and that antarctica exists.
Nobody denys the existence of Antarctica.

FETs don't believe it's a polar land mass though.
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fbkj

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Re: Theories
« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2010, 06:22:01 PM »
Quote from: EarthISroundISproven on March 25, 2010, 06:20:04 PM
Quote from: 2fst4u on March 25, 2010, 06:16:56 PM
Quote from: EarthISroundISproven on March 25, 2010, 06:14:22 PM
... and that antarctica exists.
Nobody denys the existence of Antarctica.

FETs don't believe it's a polar land mass though.

no but you sailing every inch of the planet doesnt in and of itself debunk their retarded theory
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EarthISroundISproven

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Re: Theories
« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2010, 06:22:30 PM »
Quote from: fbkj on March 25, 2010, 06:18:44 PM
Quote from: EarthISroundISproven on March 25, 2010, 06:14:22 PM
Tom Bishop is mad as a hatter. He thinks NASA is the only agency to ever go up into space as well. Well mr Bishop I'm an oceanic cartographer a research geologist. I've sailed every inch of this planet and I'm sorry to tell you that the world is round and that antarctica exists.

never thought id say this but read the FAQ

pardon me while i go throw up for even saying that

lol i did read it and then nearly fell off my chair when i saw the map they came up with with antarctic as an ice wall - that's where i get it from...
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