What is Evidence?

What do FE'rs accept as evidence? Not videos. Not pictures. Not anything anyone said. Not personal observations. What is proof then?

While I can't speak for them, I will say that in my observations so far, they don't seem to know themselves.  Oh sure they'll tell you something, but in the end they'll find some way to discredit you in their eyes. 

To make an analogy:
It would be like asking what evidence a Christian would need to show that God doesn't exist.

Repeatable experiments, and direct observation.

Repeatable experiments, and direct observation.

How about my satellite dish not receiving anything if it's moved out of alignment by a few degrees?  Is that a repeatable experiment to show that I'm getting my TV signal from the sky?

Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on March 23, 2010, 07:45:26 PM

Repeatable experiments, and direct observation.

How about my satellite dish not receiving anything if it's moved out of alignment by a few degrees?  Is that a repeatable experiment to show that I'm getting my TV signal from the sky?

That's not realistically repeatable. Are you really expecting people to come all the way to your undisclosed location to move your satellite dish?

Quote from: Lorddave on March 23, 2010, 07:55:37 PM

Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on March 23, 2010, 07:45:26 PM

Repeatable experiments, and direct observation.

How about my satellite dish not receiving anything if it's moved out of alignment by a few degrees?  Is that a repeatable experiment to show that I'm getting my TV signal from the sky?

That's not realistically repeatable. Are you really expecting people to come all the way to your undisclosed location to move your satellite dish?

Do it to your own. See what happens.

Repeatable experiments, and direct observation.

Very basic.. just look at the place (repeatable and direct)

Now you're gonna say.. but it looks flat
and yes, it does.. from upclose. And RE supporters will agree to that..

BUT THINK OF THIS: RE supporters are the only ones who have looked further (gone up into space etc.)

Now,
-if you don't believe that.. that is your problem.
-if none of your FE supporters have bothered to look further.. that is your problem

Point still remains that RE supporters have gathered more information on their surroundings (not just their near surroundings) than FE supporters

Imagine two groups of 5 people getting dropped in the wilderness.
group A lets one guy make a camp and sends out 4 guys to check the surroundings and make an accurate map
group B lets one guy make a camp and have the rest all sit around the campfire contemplating on what their position is, based on what they can see from the camp
Which group has a higher possibility of having more useful information?

Now,
-if you don't believe that.. that is your problem.
-if none of your FE supporters have bothered to look further.. that is your problem

Perhaps you missed the numerous experiments which proved that water is not convex.

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Now,
-if you don't believe that.. that is your problem.
-if none of your FE supporters have bothered to look further.. that is your problem

Perhaps you missed the numerous experiments which proved that water is not convex.

Perhaps you missed the numerous experiments which proved the world is round.

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Now,
-if you don't believe that.. that is your problem.
-if none of your FE supporters have bothered to look further.. that is your problem

Perhaps you missed the numerous experiments which proved that water is not convex.

Sampling 0.024% of the surface of the Earth is bound to yield an inaccurate result.

unfortunately, much like any theory, evidence will not destroy their theory, only modify it to accommodate new observations.

Quote from: Lorddave on March 23, 2010, 07:55:37 PM

Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on March 23, 2010, 07:45:26 PM

Repeatable experiments, and direct observation.

How about my satellite dish not receiving anything if it's moved out of alignment by a few degrees?  Is that a repeatable experiment to show that I'm getting my TV signal from the sky?

That's not realistically repeatable. Are you really expecting people to come all the way to your undisclosed location to move your satellite dish?

Well that would be really stupid.  Any experiment worth it's salt could be performed in any similar location with the same (or equivalent) tools used.

So anyone with a satellite dish could perform this experiment and, I'm sorry to tell you but... they do.  There are even people who are paid money to go to your house and align your dish.  You could too.  Just call your local Satellite TV service.

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Now,
-if you don't believe that.. that is your problem.
-if none of your FE supporters have bothered to look further.. that is your problem

Perhaps you missed the numerous experiments which proved that water is not convex.

Doesn't that disprove Bendy Light?  I mean, how can light bend when viewed close to the horizon to simulate the Sun "setting" when that same phenomenon would make water appear convex for the same reasons. (See Old Bedford Canal Experiment)

Quote from: Tom Bishop on March 24, 2010, 03:50:34 AM

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Now,
-if you don't believe that.. that is your problem.
-if none of your FE supporters have bothered to look further.. that is your problem

Perhaps you missed the numerous experiments which proved that water is not convex.

Sampling 0.024% of the surface of the Earth is bound to yield an inaccurate result.

Perhaps you didn't understand my post Tom, Ranger did though..

When I say look further I mean going out, fly up high, walk the earth.. you know, like Caine in Kung Fu

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Now,
-if you don't believe that.. that is your problem.
-if none of your FE supporters have bothered to look further.. that is your problem

Perhaps you missed the numerous experiments which proved that water is not convex.

and perhaps you missed the thousands of satellite photos and cosmic samples that reputable research has produced.