Evidence for RE based on modern communications systems?

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Evidence for RE based on modern communications systems?
« on: March 15, 2010, 10:32:53 AM »
No, I'm not referring to the GPS satellite system.

I'm speaking of the submarine cable system, signifigantly older technology responsible for most forms of information transfer today. The map in the link below details the general layout of nearly every submarine communications cable in the world. It also offers info on the lengths of specific cables.

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Technology/Pix/pictures/2008/02/01/SeaCableHi.jpg

This information cannot be reconciled with Flat Earth Theory.
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Re: Evidence for RE based on modern communications systems?
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2010, 10:45:38 AM »
nice resolution.

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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2010, 03:47:42 PM »
Yep. Good point Ranger. It's just another group of people FE have to add to the conspiracy.

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Re: Evidence for RE based on modern communications systems?
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2010, 03:53:10 PM »
I have one question. In the section about longest submarine cables, the longest one is named 'SeaMeWe-3' as far as I can tell. I can't see from where to where it stretches. Could you please tell us?

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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2010, 04:04:49 PM »
I have one question. In the section about longest submarine cables, the longest one is named 'SeaMeWe-3' as far as I can tell. I can't see from where to where it stretches. Could you please tell us?

The graphic here should provide the detail you're looking for. (Keep in mind that the length of the cable includes all of its branch points, not the overall length between Germany and Australia or South Korea...)

http://www.seamewe3.com/

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Re: Evidence for RE based on modern communications systems?
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2010, 05:09:37 PM »
So, how can we infer anything about the distances between these places if we are given only the total length of the cable?

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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2010, 05:56:26 PM »
So, how can we infer anything about the distances between these places if we are given only the total length of the cable?

Counter-question; how can you determine the distances between those places according to FET without an accurate FE map?

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Re: Evidence for RE based on modern communications systems?
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2010, 05:58:15 PM »
So, how can we infer anything about the distances between these places if we are given only the total length of the cable?


For one, It would be a lot longer on FE.

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Re: Evidence for RE based on modern communications systems?
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2010, 06:03:03 PM »
So, how can we infer anything about the distances between these places if we are given only the total length of the cable?

Counter-question; how can you determine the distances between those places according to FET without an accurate FE map?
By using a very long measuring tape.

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Re: Evidence for RE based on modern communications systems?
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2010, 10:12:41 AM »
So, how can we infer anything about the distances between these places if we are given only the total length of the cable?

Counter-question; how can you determine the distances between those places according to FET without an accurate FE map?
By using a very long measuring tape.
Why do you need a measuring tape when you already know how long the cable is?  ???
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Re: Evidence for RE based on modern communications systems?
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2010, 10:31:35 AM »
So, how can we infer anything about the distances between these places if we are given only the total length of the cable?

For one, It would be a lot longer on FE.

Can you back up this claim with some evidence?

Why do you need a measuring tape when you already know how long the cable is?  ???

Can you prove that the cable is perfectly taut?
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« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2010, 11:06:05 AM »
Why do you need a measuring tape when you already know how long the cable is?  ???

Can you prove that the cable is perfectly taut?

I'm sure that the cable is not taut at all (need to leave some slack for that pesky plate tectonics thing).  What's your point?
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Re: Evidence for RE based on modern communications systems?
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2010, 11:30:25 AM »
I'm sure that the cable is not taut at all (need to leave some slack for that pesky plate tectonics thing).  What's your point?

If the cable is not perfectly taut, then its length is not a valid measure of the distance between two continents.
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Re: Evidence for RE based on modern communications systems?
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2010, 12:14:07 PM »
I'm sure that the cable is not taut at all (need to leave some slack for that pesky plate tectonics thing).  What's your point?

If the cable is not perfectly taut, then its length is not a valid measure of the distance between two continents.

I'm sure the bit of slack that is used to compensate for plate tectonics is not enough to account for the huge difference in distance in for example the Sydney - Los Angeles cable between teh FE and RE models
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« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2010, 12:27:10 PM »
I'm sure that the cable is not taut at all (need to leave some slack for that pesky plate tectonics thing).  What's your point?

If the cable is not perfectly taut, then its length is not a valid measure of the distance between two continents.

But it does set an upper limit for the distance between those two locations. 
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: Evidence for RE based on modern communications systems?
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2010, 12:29:22 PM »
But it does set an upper limit for the distance between those two locations.

Only if one assumes the cable to be continuous.
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Re: Evidence for RE based on modern communications systems?
« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2010, 12:45:17 PM »
But it does set an upper limit for the distance between those two locations.

Only if one assumes the cable to be continuous.

That is not an assumption.. the fact that data is being transferred through the cable means it is continuous
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« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2010, 12:47:10 PM »
That is not an assumption.. the fact that data is being transferred through the cable means it is continuous

So the fact that data is transmitted from your mobile phone to your friend's phone in another city means that there is a continuous cable running between them?
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Re: Evidence for RE based on modern communications systems?
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2010, 12:53:07 PM »
That is not an assumption.. the fact that data is being transferred through the cable means it is continuous

So the fact that data is transmitted from your mobile phone to your friend's phone in another city means that there is a continuous cable running between them?

No. But that's not what I suggested. I suggested there is data being sent over the cable, which means it must be continuous.
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Re: Evidence for RE based on modern communications systems?
« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2010, 12:56:42 PM »
No. But that's not what I suggested. I suggested there is data being sent over the cable, which means it must be continuous.

So your assumption that the cable is continuous is based on the assumption that data is being transmitted through it.
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Re: Evidence for RE based on modern communications systems?
« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2010, 01:03:20 PM »
No. But that's not what I suggested. I suggested there is data being sent over the cable, which means it must be continuous.

So your assumption that the cable is continuous is based on the assumption that data is being transmitted through it.

Yes it is. Otherwise the cable would be pretty useless, right? This very sentence may even go through that specific cable.

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« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2010, 01:19:51 PM »
But it does set an upper limit for the distance between those two locations.

Only if one assumes the cable to be continuous.

Perhaps you would like to don your swimming shorts and check.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

Re: Evidence for RE based on modern communications systems?
« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2010, 06:52:19 AM »
But it does set an upper limit for the distance between those two locations.

Only if one assumes the cable to be continuous.

For what possible reason would a company spend hundreds of millions of dollars to lay a communication cable on the ocean floor that wasn't continuous?

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« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2010, 06:58:14 AM »
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So the fact that data is transmitted from your mobile phone to your friend's phone in another city means that there is a continuous cable running between them?

You, Sir, are an idiot.

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« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2010, 09:40:06 AM »
I'm sure that the cable is not taut at all (need to leave some slack for that pesky plate tectonics thing).  What's your point?

If the cable is not perfectly taut, then its length is not a valid measure of the distance between two continents.

But it does set an upper limit for the distance between those two locations. 
Which is?

Re: Evidence for RE based on modern communications systems?
« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2010, 10:57:59 AM »
So, how can we infer anything about the distances between these places if we are given only the total length of the cable?

For one, It would be a lot longer on FE.

Can you back up this claim with some evidence?

Why do you need a measuring tape when you already know how long the cable is?  ???

Can you prove that the cable is perfectly taut?

Addressing the first question: He/she cannot back up that claim because Flat Earth Theorists have failed to provide an accurate map to compare against. Round Earth Proponents have.

Second, the cable is not taut by design. We (I served on a cable-layer ship in the mid 90's) slacked the cable intentionally. To prevent accidents, we dropped the cable as deep as practical. When we made repairs, we slacked the cable so as not to stress the repaired joint. The slack is measured in feet, not multiples of miles.

Parsifal, if you wish to argue a point you need to establish limits. Provide an accurate and scaled map or remain silent.

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Re: Evidence for RE based on modern communications systems?
« Reply #27 on: March 17, 2010, 11:24:39 AM »

 Provide an accurate and scaled map or remain silent.


In the spirit of friendly reciprocity, provide your seaman's papers or remain silent.

Re: Evidence for RE based on modern communications systems?
« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2010, 11:47:05 AM »

 Provide an accurate and scaled map or remain silent.


In the spirit of friendly reciprocity, provide your seaman's papers or remain silent.

I'd be happy to, having easy access to a scanner. May I black-out personal information, or would that chalk me up as a fraud? And will you post your credentials as well?
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Re: Evidence for RE based on modern communications systems?
« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2010, 08:54:51 PM »

For one, It would be a lot longer on FE.

Can you back up this claim with some evidence?



(360((2*pi*a)/d) =! 360((2*pi*c)/e))


(360((2*pi*a)/d) = 360((2*pi*c)/e))

A = 100 (distance from north pole to first set of coordinates)
B = (I don't know pick something it doesn't matter)
C = 900 (distance from north pole to second set of coordinates)
D = 2*pi*a*(b/360) (distance between the first two coordinates in relation to the north pole)
E = 2*pi*c*(b/360) (distance between the second two coordinates in relation to the north pole)

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