A Demand For Equal Treatment

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jtelroy

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A Demand For Equal Treatment
« on: March 11, 2010, 05:51:03 PM »
Going by the definition of "theory" which PZ Meyers used when he was discounting the book Godless by Ann Coulter, he gave the following explanation of a theory:

The issue is not whether there is evidence that supports evolution theory, but whether there is evidence that is explained by evolution theory, since theories are explanations for data.

So lets apply this to FET.  Is there evidence explained by FET? Yes.

On the same token, is there evidence explained by RET?  Yes.

So all I ask in debates is that they are given equal ground, as many FE'ers seem to make arguments based on the outright assumption that RET has been proven to be completely incorrect.

Yes, this is the Flat Earth Society, but FET has yet to be concretely proven (I presented a critique which discredited EnaG whose central argument went unchallenged even by Tom Bishop).  This means that RET is as legitimate as theory as FET, and should be considered as such.

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Rushy

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Re: A Demand For Equal Treatment
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2010, 06:31:26 PM »
One day I hope to work for NASA, if I find out the Earth is round I will be sad, after all, I am really looking forward to all this money they make by fooling the population.


I want either less corruption or a bigger opportunity to participate in it.

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Re: A Demand For Equal Treatment
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2010, 07:30:16 AM »
This is the same sort of principle I was working with in the "RET - a challenge" thread. It annoys me that the flat guys seem to think their theory is somehow superior, and I argue that it can at most be considered equal until it demonstrates superiority over RET.
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Re: A Demand For Equal Treatment
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2010, 09:58:59 AM »
This is the Flat Earth Society, a website and forum mainly for believers and the discussion and furthering of Flat Earth Theory.
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jtelroy

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Re: A Demand For Equal Treatment
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2010, 12:23:34 PM »
This is the Flat Earth Society, a website and forum mainly for believers and the discussion and furthering of Flat Earth Theory.

I'm not debating that, I'm just asking that you all be open to the alternatives.  If the purpose of this society is really to find the truth, they aren't going to be by declaring some theories incorrect from the get go.

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Re: A Demand For Equal Treatment
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2010, 06:04:11 PM »
Going by the definition of "theory" which PZ Meyers used when he was discounting the book Godless by Ann Coulter, he gave the following explanation of a theory:

The issue is not whether there is evidence that supports evolution theory, but whether there is evidence that is explained by evolution theory, since theories are explanations for data.

Kinda vulnerable to argument from fallacy and various others. I'm sure there's some kind of equal measure fallacy too, but can't think how it's phrased.

Just because something is true according to it's own principles does not make it a legitimate explanation.

Eg. I believe that humans were placed on earth by space men. We know this is true because the spacemen gave us no hair as a mark of our difference. The evidence is clear. I demand my theory be treated equal to evolution and taught in all schools.

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jtelroy

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Re: A Demand For Equal Treatment
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2010, 06:42:26 PM »
Going by the definition of "theory" which PZ Meyers used when he was discounting the book Godless by Ann Coulter, he gave the following explanation of a theory:

The issue is not whether there is evidence that supports evolution theory, but whether there is evidence that is explained by evolution theory, since theories are explanations for data.

Kinda vulnerable to argument from fallacy and various others. I'm sure there's some kind of equal measure fallacy too, but can't think how it's phrased.

Just because something is true according to it's own principles does not make it a legitimate explanation.

Eg. I believe that humans were placed on earth by space men. We know this is true because the spacemen gave us no hair as a mark of our difference. The evidence is clear. I demand my theory be treated equal to evolution and taught in all schools.

Good point, but I think nearly any way you define theory that RET will fit it as well as or better than FET.  If anyone has a better definition of theory feel free to post it.

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Re: A Demand For Equal Treatment
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2010, 08:29:17 PM »
I support this. At least for the equal FE treatment.
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Lorddave

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Re: A Demand For Equal Treatment
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2010, 04:27:37 PM »
Actually it's a hypothesis, not a theory.
A theory has facts to back it up.  So far, all FE ideas are "unexplainable".  For example, EM bending upwards.  Ok, how do you prove that?  Impossible.
Ok, so there are no satellites in orbit.  How do you prove that?  Send a rocket up and see where it goes, but you can't do that because the only people who have access to that are in the conspiracy, which has no actual proof to it except "It must be for FE to be true".

So Flat Earth is a hypothesis as are everything that's associated with it.
You want a theory?  Gravity is a theory.  We can't PROVE it exists, but we have evidence that suggests it does.
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markjo

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Re: A Demand For Equal Treatment
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2010, 04:28:48 PM »
What's equal FE treatment?

Being equally mocked by angry noobs?
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