Electromagnetic Accelerator Disproven

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Electromagnetic Accelerator Disproven
« on: March 11, 2010, 12:25:20 AM »
Earlier, I developed a new alternative theory which is a superior explanation for both gravity and the occurence of bendy light.

Here is the theory:

Imagine a piece of metal between two magnets which have the ability to fluctuate in their strength.  The metal will continuously move between the two magnets.

Now habe the metal become flat earth and the magnets two supermassive black holes with fluctuating masses, and thus gravitational pulls.

NOTE: I know Bishop seems to get stuck on the Quantum Field Theory explanation for gravity, the Graviton. the final undiscovered particle of that theory discounting the higgs boson.  For Tom's sake, we will be using the more classical explanation of gravity, in that it is a result of mass.

Also Note:  Flat Earth is meant to signify the Flat Earth Assembly, including the Earth itself, the atmosphere, and the sky mirror.d

Flat Earth is trapped between the gravitational pull of these two bodies.  It is constantly going upwards towards one (whichever one is more massive in particular instant).  The "top" always points towards the more massive black hole as a result of physics, but the flips occur so quickly (and occur at the same time as the change of gravity) that they are unnoticeable.

Gravity is a combination of the pull of whichever black hole is the lesser in an instant, and the upward movement of flat earth.

Stars are actally reflections of our own light on the sky mirror.

Bendy light is actually a result of the black holes bending the light.

This theory, here to be referred to as BH-FET, is supported by Bishops post about Occam's razor.

Which is the simpler explanation:

That the flat earth is moving upward because of a theoretical unobserved mass whose effects are wholly unexplainable by modern physics,

Or that it is moving upward as a result of observable phenomena acting as physics, a field of research which is often PEER REVIEWED, says is legitimate?

Thus Bishop has shown his support for the nonexistence of the EA, and for the superiority of BH-FET

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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator Disproven
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2010, 12:57:45 AM »
This makes absolutely no sense. Please enrol in a fundamental mechanics course before attempting to defend this idea any further.
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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator Disproven
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2010, 02:16:10 AM »
Yes. That makes almost as little sense as all the other ideas.

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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator Disproven
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2010, 04:14:45 AM »
Haha, so the earth is flipping and we're not noticing it?
When I try to imagine I'm on a flat earth that moves very fast upwards I start to feel sick.

Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator Disproven
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2010, 05:31:28 AM »
This makes absolutely no sense. Please enrol in a fundamental mechanics course before attempting to defend this idea any further.

Says the sky mirror inventor. ::)

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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator Disproven
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2010, 06:09:17 AM »
This makes absolutely no sense. Please enrol in a fundamental mechanics course before attempting to defend this idea any further.

Says the pushy fishes and bendy light inventor. ::)

Fixed.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator Disproven
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2010, 10:42:11 AM »
This makes absolutely no sense. Please enrol in a fundamental mechanics course before attempting to defend this idea any further.

Please provide a detailed explanation of what does not make sense to you, and then show how your inferior theory makes more sense in its explanation.

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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator Disproven
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2010, 11:31:30 AM »
No matter how good you may think your theory is, it doesn't disprove anything. You need evidence to do that.
"I want truth for truth's sake, not for the applaud or approval of men. I would not reject truth because it is unpopular, nor accept error because it is popular. I should rather be right and stand alone than run with the multitude and be wrong." - C.S. DeFord

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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator Disproven
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2010, 12:48:34 PM »
No matter how good you may think your theory is, it doesn't disprove anything. You need evidence to do that.

True enough, but I would still consider it a stronger alternative.

Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator Disproven
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2010, 02:10:24 PM »
No matter how good you may think your theory is, it doesn't disprove anything. You need evidence to do that.

I love this quote. This throws out about half of your theories.

It is so perfect, I almost think you are trolling.

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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator Disproven
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2010, 02:42:45 PM »
No matter how good you may think your theory is, it doesn't disprove anything. You need evidence to do that.

I love this quote. This throws out about half of your theories.

It is so perfect, I almost think you are trolling.

I think Willmore is simply commenting on the fact that the topic name is misleading.  Which is true.  I haven't disproven FET, just presented a valid alternative.

This makes absolutely no sense. Please enrol in a fundamental mechanics course before attempting to defend this idea any further.

This is the post that is borderline trolling.

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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator Disproven
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2010, 03:31:58 PM »
True enough, but I would still consider it a stronger alternative.


By what standard?
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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator Disproven
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2010, 05:41:00 PM »
True enough, but I would still consider it a stronger alternative.


By what standard?

By my own observations, foremost.

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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator Disproven
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2010, 05:53:19 PM »
Please provide a detailed explanation of what does not make sense to you

Just about the whole thing. To give a couple of examples:

  • Any object which is free to move within a uniform gravitational field is in an inertial frame of reference. If your hypothesis were correct, we, along with the air around us, would be weightless.
  • The Earth can't flip over too quickly for us to notice. Not only would basic mechanics cause us to be crushed instantly or flung into space (depending on which part of the Earth we were on at the time), but the time taken for the Earth to flip must be greater than 0.2 seconds to avoid the outer edge violating special relativity by exceeding the speed of light. Furthermore, conservation of angular momentum dictates that something else would have to flip in the opposite direction as the Earth does this.

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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator Disproven
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2010, 06:09:29 PM »
Please provide a detailed explanation of what does not make sense to you

Just about the whole thing. To give a couple of examples:

  • Any object which is free to move within a uniform gravitational field is in an inertial frame of reference. If your hypothesis were correct, we, along with the air around us, would be weightless.
  • The Earth can't flip over too quickly for us to notice. Not only would basic mechanics cause us to be crushed instantly or flung into space (depending on which part of the Earth we were on at the time), but the time taken for the Earth to flip must be greater than 0.2 seconds to avoid the outer edge violating special relativity by exceeding the speed of light. Furthermore, conservation of angular momentum dictates that something else would have to flip in the opposite direction as the Earth does this.



 Earth would be moving upward toward whichever black hole is stronger. This would give the EXACT SAME SOURCE OF GRAVITY (the upward movement) as standard FET.  There would also be some gravitational pull provided by the lesser black hole, further anchoring us to the Earth.


The outer edges of the Earth are uninhabited and only observed by the Conspiracy, so its entirely possible that the flipping would be noticeable if you were on the outer edge when it occurred.

It is also possible that a counter-disk exists below the earth which flips in the opposite direction but is connected to the earth by some unknown force possible Dark Matter.

I believe that we are flung to some extent: The main Earth Assembly as a whole is thrown temporarily from the counter disk as it spins.  We do not notice it because The Sky Mirror sinks slightly during the spin further cushioning the feeling.  This occurs with assistance of some mechanism, possible also Dark Matter.

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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator Disproven
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2010, 06:22:04 PM »
Earth would be moving upward toward whichever black hole is stronger. This would give the EXACT SAME SOURCE OF GRAVITY (the upward movement) as standard FET.  There would also be some gravitational pull provided by the lesser black hole, further anchoring us to the Earth.

No, this isn't how gravitation works. We would feel the exact same gravitational pull from the stronger black hole, pulling us upward with the Earth, and so relative to the Earth we would be weightless.

The outer edges of the Earth are uninhabited and only observed by the Conspiracy, so its entirely possible that the flipping would be noticeable if you were on the outer edge when it occurred.

I'd say a flip that lasts for more than 0.2 seconds would be noticeable from anywhere in the world.

I believe that we are flung to some extent: The main Earth Assembly as a whole is thrown temporarily from the counter disk as it spins.  We do not notice it because The Sky Mirror sinks slightly during the spin further cushioning the feeling.  This occurs with assistance of some mechanism, possible also Dark Matter.

When I say "flung", I mean your body would physically depart from the Earth and you would die from lack of oxygen in space.
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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator Disproven
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2010, 06:28:46 PM »
Please provide a detailed explanation of what does not make sense to you

Just about the whole thing. To give a couple of examples:

  • Any object which is free to move within a uniform gravitational field is in an inertial frame of reference. If your hypothesis were correct, we, along with the air around us, would be weightless.
  • The Earth can't flip over too quickly for us to notice. Not only would basic mechanics cause us to be crushed instantly or flung into space (depending on which part of the Earth we were on at the time), but the time taken for the Earth to flip must be greater than 0.2 seconds to avoid the outer edge violating special relativity by exceeding the speed of light. Furthermore, conservation of angular momentum dictates that something else would have to flip in the opposite direction as the Earth does this.



 Earth would be moving upward toward whichever black hole is stronger.

Free fall does not cause gravitation. Try standing in a plummeting plane.

The black holes would apply the same acceleration to the people and to the Earth.

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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator Disproven
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2010, 06:46:17 PM »


No, this isn't how gravitation works. We would feel the exact same gravitational pull from the stronger black hole, pulling us upward with the Earth, and so relative to the Earth we would be weightless.

Do you have any proof to back up this claim?

I'd say a flip that lasts for more than 0.2 seconds would be noticeable from anywhere in the world.

The Sky Mirror, and the bending light would conceal the action from us except near the Earth's Edges.

When I say "flung", I mean your body would physically depart from the Earth and you would die from lack of oxygen in space.

The flinging is counteracted by pressure exerted by the Sky Mirror and possibly Dark Matter.

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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator Disproven
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2010, 07:52:20 PM »
Do you have any proof to back up this claim?

I'm sorry, I was assuming you accepted elementary physics. If you want to rewrite all of mechanics, then this idea could work beautifully.

The Sky Mirror, and the bending light would conceal the action from us except near the Earth's Edges.

It's not a case of whether we see it or not, it's a case of whether we feel it or not. But as I said above, if you rewrite all of mechanics starting with Newton's work, then this doesn't apply.

The flinging is counteracted by pressure exerted by the Sky Mirror and possibly Dark Matter.

I wouldn't use the word "pressure" if I were you. It has a specific meaning in accepted mechanics, which you have already implied that you do not care for.
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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator Disproven
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2010, 08:23:56 PM »
Do you have any proof to back up this claim?

I'm sorry, I was assuming you accepted elementary physics. If you want to rewrite all of mechanics, then this idea could work beautifully.

The Sky Mirror, and the bending light would conceal the action from us except near the Earth's Edges.

It's not a case of whether we see it or not, it's a case of whether we feel it or not. But as I said above, if you rewrite all of mechanics starting with Newton's work, then this doesn't apply.

The flinging is counteracted by pressure exerted by the Sky Mirror and possibly Dark Matter.

I wouldn't use the word "pressure" if I were you. It has a specific meaning in accepted mechanics, which you have already implied that you do not care for.

I wasn't throwing it out, I was simply asking from what base that you were making those assumptions.

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« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2010, 08:30:53 PM »
I wasn't throwing it out, I was simply asking from what base that you were making those assumptions.

Accepted physics, then. Your suggestion is incompatible with mechanics as it has been known for all of the past three centuries.
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« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2010, 10:14:53 PM »
I wasn't throwing it out, I was simply asking from what base that you were making those assumptions.

Accepted physics, then. Your suggestion is incompatible with mechanics as it has been known for all of the past three centuries.
...So you get to agree with physics when you want to, and disagree when it's convenient?

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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator Disproven
« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2010, 10:30:39 PM »
...So you get to agree with physics when you want to, and disagree when it's convenient?

When have I disagreed with physics?
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« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2010, 10:51:04 PM »
...So you get to agree with physics when you want to, and disagree when it's convenient?

When have I disagreed with physics?
I turn your attention to your own "personal message" located below your post count.

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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator Disproven
« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2010, 10:53:59 PM »
I turn your attention to your own "personal message" located below your post count.

Electromagnetic Acceleration is a physical hypothesis. It is a part of physics, albeit not a very widely accepted one.
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« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2010, 11:00:10 PM »
Light that doesn't bend for no apparent reason is physics. Bendy light, which disagrees with this, can not therefore be called physics.

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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator Disproven
« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2010, 11:03:04 PM »
Light that doesn't bend for no apparent reason is physics. Bendy light, which disagrees with this, can not therefore be called physics.

The study of physics can't contain competing theories? ???
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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator Disproven
« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2010, 12:34:09 AM »
Not if one is proven and therefore rules out the other

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« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2010, 12:40:07 AM »
Not if one is proven and therefore rules out the other

Science doesn't prove anything. Physics being a branch of science, you obviously do not understand what you are talking about.
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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator Disproven
« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2010, 12:47:38 AM »
The idea of accelerating light is incompatible with mechanics. If basic mechanics is accpeted then this thread is something of an anomaly. That something massive is missing from basic physics is implicit in the subject matter. So I don't think any idea should be rejected just because it requires re-building physics.