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Vongeo

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Re: Ask a Christian anything.
« Reply #1050 on: May 29, 2010, 08:11:25 PM »
I'd like to know why people feel that Jesus is so special for sacrificing himself.  People die for others every day, yet they aren't celebrated nearly as much as Jesus is.
He came back.

Yeah, sure he did.  But in Church, the saying is "He is wonderful because he died for everyone's sins", when I find someone sacrificing themselves for a cause not out of the ordinary.
Why you got to question everything I write?
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« Reply #1051 on: May 29, 2010, 08:12:03 PM »
Because hardly anything you FE'ers say answer any/all questions.  Now please stop avoiding the question.

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Re: Ask a Christian anything.
« Reply #1052 on: May 29, 2010, 08:16:59 PM »
I said I wasn't a Christian I just play one on TV. Shouldn't you still be reading that loop?
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« Reply #1053 on: May 29, 2010, 08:18:32 PM »
In that case, could I please get a Christian to tell me why Jesus is so special for sacrificing himself?

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Vongeo

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« Reply #1054 on: May 29, 2010, 08:20:40 PM »
In that case, could I please get a Christian to tell me why Jesus is so special for sacrificing himself?
No make me.
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« Reply #1055 on: May 29, 2010, 08:23:40 PM »
In that case, could I please get a Christian to tell me why Jesus is so special for sacrificing himself?
No make me.

Still haven't responded to me on the other two threads.  And since I know you've read my responses, I'm assuming I'm correct because you cannot respond to them.

And I'll ask again: Can a (real) Christian tell me why Jesus is so special for sacrificing himself?

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Re: Ask a Christian anything.
« Reply #1056 on: May 29, 2010, 08:28:11 PM »
Did Jesus die for everyone's sins or just the sins of those who believe in him?  And if he died for everyone's sins, why would he send people to hell?

1st part:
Dying for sins of those who believe or everyone?
Response:  
#1)  Believe or believed (past tense)?  He hopes that you come to believe in him in time.  Even if you did not believe before, but come to know him later is acceptable, but with a disclaimer - see #2
#2)  Belief alone does not save.  a) Repenting, AND not repeating the same sins over and over after you come to have the knowledge and believe in him - b) you can't willfully, practice sin, for he will know that a simply "I'm sorry," is not true.  God is the reader of hearts so he'll know if you don't mean it.  c) Don't commit the unforgiveable sin.  Note:  Faith without works is dead, yet good deeds without faith does not help one either.

2nd part:
Why send them to hell then?
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People confuse Hades or Sheol with Gehenna.  See link to another thread this forum >> http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=33612.0
An example of Christianity being excelled by fear tactics.  Scroll to post Oct 28, 2009 12:59:34 A.M in that thread, for it is too long to post here.

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Re: Ask a Christian anything.
« Reply #1057 on: May 29, 2010, 08:33:05 PM »
Stop ignoring me and answer my question, please.  I'm eager to see your response, babs.

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Re: Ask a Christian anything.
« Reply #1058 on: May 29, 2010, 09:16:44 PM »
I'd like to know why people feel that Jesus is so special for sacrificing himself.  People die for others every day, yet they aren't celebrated nearly as much as Jesus is.

Well there is probably no way that I can completely satisfy you in just one post, but here is an introductory answer to your question.

Sure there are many people that die for people everyday but that may be for one person, 50 people, or thousands, and yet Jesus, the Christ died for everyone's sins.  Also he died for the right reasons, not for wars created by man.

Jesus' death was special because he was the only begotten son of God, the firstborn of all creation, and was created solely by God himself alone, and his death was a ransom sacrifice for all those born into original sin, thus opening the way for eternal life.

Jesus was more than just some guy that saved some people, for he was perfect and had these characteristics: 

a balanced view of material things
a courageous liberator
depth of feeling and warmth
wonderful counselor
master teacher
righteous judge
outstanding prophet
a healer
superb example of love

Jesus had a vital place in God's purpose, for he was the key, or central figure in the outworking of all of God's purposes, and the focal point on which the light of all prophecies would concentrate, and the foundation upon which God would build all future arrangements for the eternal good.

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Re: Ask a Christian anything.
« Reply #1059 on: May 29, 2010, 09:20:46 PM »
Jesus was more than just some guy that saved some people, for he was perfect and had these characteristics: 

a balanced view of material things
a courageous liberator
depth of feeling and warmth
wonderful counselor
master teacher
righteous judge
outstanding prophet
a healer
superb example of love

Jesus had a vital place in God's purpose, for he was the key, or central figure in the outworking of all of God's purposes, and the focal point on which the light of all prophecies would concentrate, and the foundation upon which God would build all future arrangements for the eternal good.


And he wasn't bad on the eyes either.
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Re: Ask a Christian anything.
« Reply #1060 on: May 29, 2010, 09:24:31 PM »
And he wasn't bad on the eyes either.

While I love your postings in RM - the upper forums are not for random musings or going off topic.  Someone wanted a serious answer and you were just playing here.  Cut it out - but I still love ya.

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Re: Ask a Christian anything.
« Reply #1061 on: May 29, 2010, 09:25:34 PM »
Sorry.
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Re: Ask a Christian anything.
« Reply #1062 on: May 29, 2010, 11:32:41 PM »
The topic says "Ask a Christian anything", and yet Canadark hasn't answered any of my latest questions. How come?

I'll be glad to Mugsy - providing you stay on topic about Christianity.


What? The topic says "Ask a Christian anything". So why would my questions have to be about christianity?

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« Reply #1063 on: May 30, 2010, 07:22:04 AM »
I really appreciate the response, Babs, but it doesn't do a whole lot for an atheist like me.  Thanks anyway :)

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Re: Ask a Christian anything.
« Reply #1064 on: May 30, 2010, 08:55:17 AM »
The topic says "Ask a Christian anything", and yet Canadark hasn't answered any of my latest questions. How come?

I'll be glad to Mugsy - providing you stay on topic about Christianity.

What? The topic says "Ask a Christian anything". So why would my questions have to be about christianity?

Mugsy I think you are a smart enough man to figure it out for yourself, and you've been on FES long enough to know why.  You would not go to a Flat Earth topic and talk about cigars, unless you could somehow weave that into your position of proving or disproving flat earth, anymore than you would go to a religious and philosophical thread and talk about complete nonsense.  Leave that stuff in the funny/ jokes threads.  B-T-W you are still my favorite Viking King.

I really appreciate the response, Babs, but it doesn't do a whole lot for an atheist like me.  Thanks anyway :)
Sorry it didn't help - but you asked, so I answered.  Cheers.

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Re: Ask a Christian anything.
« Reply #1065 on: May 30, 2010, 04:14:07 PM »
And he wasn't bad on the eyes either.

While I love your postings in RM - the upper forums are not for random musings or going off topic.  Someone wanted a serious answer and you were just playing here.  Cut it out - but I still love ya.



You are not a mod, please keep your memberating to RM. 
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Re: Ask a Christian anything.
« Reply #1066 on: May 30, 2010, 04:17:28 PM »
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Re: Ask a Christian anything.
« Reply #1067 on: May 30, 2010, 06:19:29 PM »
Could Space Cowgirl Beat up Wilmore? And Would it be immoral to bet on it?(eh babs?)
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Re: Ask a Christian anything.
« Reply #1068 on: May 30, 2010, 09:47:58 PM »
Question: What do you think of my avatar?

This is pretty accurate.  The $$$ collected at churches to keep them thriving, all the while taking their money while misleading them by telling them anything they want to hear to keep them coming back.

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« Reply #1069 on: May 30, 2010, 10:23:20 PM »
Even with my objections to organized religion, I would bet that most of the money coming into the vast majority of churches and such go to liberally-based social programmes. Not all money collection is Machiavellian.
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« Reply #1070 on: May 31, 2010, 03:39:54 AM »
Even with my objections to organized religion, I would bet that most of the money coming into the vast majority of churches and such go to liberally-based social programmes. Not all money collection is Machiavellian.

I've attended several church AGMs, so little money goes to charity it's pathetic.

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« Reply #1071 on: May 31, 2010, 03:59:49 PM »
Even with my objections to organized religion, I would bet that most of the money coming into the vast majority of churches and such go to liberally-based social programmes. Not all money collection is Machiavellian.

I've attended several church AGMs, so little money goes to charity it's pathetic.

Agreed Chris.

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Re: Ask a Christian anything.
« Reply #1072 on: June 01, 2010, 12:06:51 PM »
Even with my objections to organized religion, I would bet that most of the money coming into the vast majority of churches and such go to liberally-based social programmes. Not all money collection is Machiavellian.

Most small town churches use the money they collect to pay the bills, pay the preacher, and pay for gas to go around visiting church members who are too old or sick to attend church.. especially the ones who still tithe.  So, imo, that money is put to good use.  They don't collect that much to begin with.  The big mega-churches spend a lot of money on fancy bullshit, but they probably spend more on charity than other small churches. 
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Re: Ask a Christian anything.
« Reply #1073 on: June 01, 2010, 02:31:59 PM »
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Re: Ask a Christian anything.
« Reply #1074 on: June 02, 2010, 01:16:16 PM »
Mattew 15:11 Jesus states, after an altercation with some pharisees regarding hygene, that whatever goes into a man's mouth does not defile him, only what comes out (words).  He appears in this chapter to call the pharisees hypocrites for not honoring another of the old laws, namely stoning disobedient children, which given what he states in verse 11 he seems to condone that act (since disobedient children would count as something coming out of the mouth, not going in).

My question to Christians, do you agree with Jesus here that disobedient children should be stoned?  Just FYI, stoning historically was to the death, so in other words, he is condoning killing disobedient children in my mind.

I know I have brought up these verses before pointing out that Jesus was condoning that act, however I never really got a response regarding what Jesus appears to be condoning here.

Re: Ask a Christian anything.
« Reply #1075 on: June 04, 2010, 11:57:13 AM »
Mattew 15:11 Jesus states, after an altercation with some pharisees regarding hygene, that whatever goes into a man's mouth does not defile him, only what comes out (words).  He appears in this chapter to call the pharisees hypocrites for not honoring another of the old laws, namely stoning disobedient children, which given what he states in verse 11 he seems to condone that act (since disobedient children would count as something coming out of the mouth, not going in).

My question to Christians, do you agree with Jesus here that disobedient children should be stoned?  Just FYI, stoning historically was to the death, so in other words, he is condoning killing disobedient children in my mind.

I know I have brought up these verses before pointing out that Jesus was condoning that act, however I never really got a response regarding what Jesus appears to be condoning here.


The problem here is that you are interpreting this verse to mean that Jesus condoned the stoning of sinners which we all know he did not (on a side note the verse actually states "Anyone who curses"; this has nothing to do with a child disobeying his parents). He was using the verse against the Pharisees in order to to illustrate a flaw with their interpretation of the Mosaic Law. Pharisees said that somebody could withhold giving honour to their parents if they wanted to give that honour to God instead, something that Jesus was calling them out on.

So in other words, no, he does not condone stoning children, he doesn't condone stoning people who curse their parents either. To interpret the verse like that is to miss the point of what Jesus is trying to do here.

Why was there ever Mosaic law? God knew he'd have to change his mind at some point, all-knowing after all, so why bother introducing a barbaric law involving stoning children to death, killing homosexuals, simple misogyny etc, when he was just going to undo it a few thousand years later?

I'm not entirely sure, but the way I see it is that God knew that he would eventually send his son as an atonement for the sins of humanity from the very beginning. Therefore the purpose of the Mosaic Law was to create the eventual social and political conditions necessary for the Messiah to come and also to showcase man's depravity and complete inability to justify himself by his own means.

This is my guess, I could be wrong but that is how I've always seen it.
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Re: Ask a Christian anything.
« Reply #1076 on: June 04, 2010, 04:49:52 PM »
So he made the world all fucked up so that the world would need him to come in and save it?
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« Reply #1077 on: June 04, 2010, 06:49:45 PM »
So he made the world all fucked up so that the world would need him to come in and save it?

Hath not the potter power over the clay to make one vessel unto honour and another unto dishonour?
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« Reply #1078 on: June 04, 2010, 06:59:19 PM »
So he made the world all fucked up so that the world would need him to come in and save it?

Hath not the potter power over the clay to make one vessel unto honour and another unto dishonour?
Uhm. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

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« Reply #1079 on: June 04, 2010, 07:00:27 PM »
So he made the world all fucked up so that the world would need him to come in and save it?

Hath not the potter power over the clay to make one vessel unto honour and another unto dishonour?
Uhm. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

wat

Yeah, that's what I thought.
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