Sex and Circumcision, an american love story.

Quote from: Shifter on August 08, 2018, 02:55:16 PM

A few things

There is no such thing as 'foreskin restoration". Once its gone, like a finger, it is gone for good. You can only provide the illusion of new skin, but the nerve endings are severed and removed for good.

It's not the illusion of new skin, it's... new skin. It's true that the nerve endings are gone though. The nerve endings on the foreskin aren't important. The main bad thing about circumcision is that the balanus is desensitized, and yes, it's true that you can't fix that with foreskin restoration. But it's not the foreskin nerves people care about. It's really weird to care about that.

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Phimosis is entirely preventable. Like tooth decay. It involves proper hygiene.

It's not as simple as that. Even with proper hygiene it still happens to children.

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My teeth aren't extracted because someday I may get lazy on not clean them properly.

Bad equivalence, when you're worried about your teeth going bad, what you're trying to prevent is something happening to your teeth. The thing with phimosis is that the issue is not that something will happen to your foreskin, the issue is that you won't be able to retract it. Trying to save your teeth by removing them doesn't make any sense, trying to save your penis and your ability to pee by removing your foreskin does make at least some sense.

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Do we really need teeth? We can have fake teeth.

Except replacing all your teeth with fake teeth is very painful and hard.

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Or liquefy our food. A blender does a much better job preparing the food for the stomach than chewing.

This equivalence is just wrong in so many ways that I don't even want to bother pointing them out.

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And what of a doctor who performs the procedures who took an oath to DO NO HARM. Mutilating babies is HARM. It's ABUSE. Circumscion is such a regressive and backward practice that has no place in a civilised society

Are you harmed? Did you have complications or something? If not, I think you may be overestimating a bit what foreskin actually does.

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Using the argument at any time that circumcision is even a little bit effective in preventing STI or STDs etc really shows desperation and a faulty argument. Even if you only have sex just once in your life, being circumcised, doing it with someone infected with HIV (for example) gives you even less protection than flipping a coin. Would you want to take that chance? The argument that it protects against STI's and STDs has likely done far more harm.

That's such a bad argument. You're just saying that it's bad for people to know if circumcision lowers their risk of getting something because then they won't take any precautions against it. Like, how did you even think that argument made any sense? That's a bit like saying people shouldn't know vaccines protect them against something because then they will not take any precautions against the disease. You're just saying people shouldn't have knowledge of what things may be helpful to them.

Because circumcising does not prevent STDs. On a BBC program on the radio I heard a story they were doing. These African men were getting circumcised because they heard it could prevent HIV.

Vaccines prevent disease. This doesn't mean I can go into a lab full of smallpox and starting eating the petri dishes simply if I am protected.

Am I harmed. Yes, I was harmed. Just because I am a baby without the memory or because the loss of foreskin 'appears' inconsequential is beside the point. It was mine. I dont need someone else deciding that my body is better 'hacked' to their aesthetic standards.

And what is your problem with people caring about nerve endings? If we remove the nerve endings from your fingers or anywhere else on your body would that bother you? I would think that it would

It would bother me if I lost the nerve endings in my fingers, because I do things with my fingers. By contrast, losing the nerve endings to, say, my little toes wouldn't be very important.

It's true that it doesn't prevent STDs. It decreases the risk somewhat, which is important to know, while still taking precautions.

It would bother me if I lost the nerve endings in my fingers, because I do things with my fingers.

Says a lot.
Why does nobody care that I'm circumcised and fine with it?

Quote from: Pezevenk on August 08, 2018, 05:04:38 PM

It would bother me if I lost the nerve endings in my fingers, because I do things with my fingers.

Says a lot.
Why does nobody care that I'm circumcised and fine with it?

No one cares about you.

It would bother me if I lost the nerve endings in my fingers, because I do things with my fingers. By contrast, losing the nerve endings to, say, my little toes wouldn't be very important.

You have the luxury of imagining how you would feel.

I have no feeling on the back of my left hand due to four parallel slices
that severed the extensor tendons to my three middle fingers.
The numbness extends down to the first knuckle of those fingers.

But, please, continue guessing about shit.

Quote from: Pezevenk on August 08, 2018, 05:04:38 PM

It would bother me if I lost the nerve endings in my fingers, because I do things with my fingers.

Says a lot.
Why does nobody care that I'm circumcised and fine with it?

It's good that you love your peen.

Quote from: Pezevenk on August 08, 2018, 05:04:38 PM

It would bother me if I lost the nerve endings in my fingers, because I do things with my fingers. By contrast, losing the nerve endings to, say, my little toes wouldn't be very important.

You have the luxury of imagining how you would feel.

I have no feeling on the back of my left hand due to four parallel slices
that severed the extensor tendons to my three middle fingers.
The numbness extends down to the first knuckle of those fingers.

But, please, continue guessing about shit.

I'd also be pissed if my hand was numb. Toes are different. I barely have any feeling on my little toe to begin with.

The last 4 posts of pez are really stupid, as always in this thread.
I don't think it is even worth it to reply to them any longer since we start running in circles and pez is either trolling or very biased against foreskin.

Will see, perhaps I take the time to reply to him in the evening.

Tell him circumcision causes down syndrome.

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Quote from: Pezevenk on August 08, 2018, 05:04:38 PM

It would bother me if I lost the nerve endings in my fingers, because I do things with my fingers. By contrast, losing the nerve endings to, say, my little toes wouldn't be very important.

You have the luxury of imagining how you would feel.

I have no feeling on the back of my left hand due to four parallel slices
that severed the extensor tendons to my three middle fingers.
The numbness extends down to the first knuckle of those fingers.

But, please, continue guessing about shit.

I'd also be pissed if my hand was numb. Toes are different. I barely have any feeling on my little toe to begin with.

Imagine if you were born someone decided that it would be better for you to not have any feeling in your toes. Because one day you might stub them and the pain will be annoying. So they surgically remove your nerve endings so you wont feel any pain for something you may never experience.

Afterall, if you've never had something in the first place, you wont miss it right?

Personally, I think the choice was mine and mine alone. Not my Dads. Do you agree Pez?

Tell him circumcision causes down syndrome.

Unlike you he can tell if I m obviously trolling.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on August 08, 2018, 09:44:13 PM

Tell him circumcision causes down syndrome.

Unlike you he can tell if I m obviously trolling.

 

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Quote from: Pezevenk on August 08, 2018, 05:04:38 PM

It would bother me if I lost the nerve endings in my fingers, because I do things with my fingers.

Says a lot.
Why does nobody care that I'm circumcised and fine with it?

No one cares about you.

That hurt. I joke with you. That felt real.

Children always have dirty fingernails.
Why not have them removed?
They don't serve any purpose anyway.

Children always have dirty fingernails.
Why not have them removed?
They don't serve any purpose anyway.

They do serve a purpose. How are you going to open things?

With a screwdriver!

With a screwdriver!

Ok, how am I going to violently scratch the faces of people I don't like?

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on August 09, 2018, 07:58:46 AM

With a screwdriver!

Ok, how am I going to violently scratch the faces of people I don't like?

Throw pickled foreskin at them.

Quote from: Pezevenk on August 09, 2018, 11:30:45 AM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on August 09, 2018, 07:58:46 AM

With a screwdriver!

Ok, how am I going to violently scratch the faces of people I don't like?

Throw pickled foreskin at them.

Not sure I want to learn what pickled foreskin is.

You can scratch faces or your own butt with a screwdriver, imo.

You can scratch faces or your own butt with a screwdriver, imo.

What if I want to scratch my own butt and someone's face while also opening something?

With practice anything is possible.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on August 09, 2018, 03:05:11 PM

You can scratch faces or your own butt with a screwdriver, imo.

What if I want to scratch my own butt and someone's face while also opening something?

While you're busy getting icky parts hacked off you could get some cool accessories installed.

Quote from: Pezevenk on August 09, 2018, 03:06:34 PM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on August 09, 2018, 03:05:11 PM

You can scratch faces or your own butt with a screwdriver, imo.

What if I want to scratch my own butt and someone's face while also opening something?

While you're busy getting icky parts hacked off you could get some cool accessories installed.

Parents should be allowed to make their kids into Inspector Gadget imo.