Is this my boat?

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Drdevice

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Is this my boat?
« on: March 01, 2010, 07:00:15 PM »
Let us say that I sailed across a lake in a wooden boat. Now this boat remains in dry dock from now untill the end of the earth. Every year I replace one of the boards with a new one, after replacing the board I add it to another boat thats just made out of the old wood.

Now here is the question, does replacing a board make the first boat not the one I sailed across the lake in? At what point would it stop being the boat I sailed across the lake in? And what is the other boat once all the pieces have been switched out?

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Lord Wilmore

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Re: Is this my boat?
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2010, 07:02:36 PM »
Well that's entirely up to you, isn't it? Our mental catagorisations don't originate from the objects in question.
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WardoggKC130FE

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Re: Is this my boat?
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2010, 07:20:18 PM »
Once there are no pieces of the original boat left....it no longer is the original boat.

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SupahLovah

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Re: Is this my boat?
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2010, 07:51:36 PM »
Let us say that I sailed across a lake in a wooden boat. Now this boat remains in dry dock from now untill the end of the earth. Every year I replace one of the boards with a new one, after replacing the board I add it to another boat thats just made out of the old wood.

Now here is the question, does replacing a board make the first boat not the one I sailed across the lake in? At what point would it stop being the boat I sailed across the lake in? And what is the other boat once all the pieces have been switched out?
This is a good paradox(I've heard it as "my grandfather's axe) that brings up questions with teleportation of objects in question as well.
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Drdevice

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Re: Is this my boat?
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2010, 07:57:12 PM »
Does replacing one piece of the boat make it not my boat?

It's the same as trying to define when a pile is no longer a pile.

I have a pile of rice, if I take one piece of rice it is still a pile. If we astablish that taking one away does not make it any less of (my boat, or a pile) then at what point does it stop being the old?

Lord Wilmore is right onto things. Just because I say the single grain of rice is still a pile doesn't mean that it is too you. Or that my boat is no longer my boat. If my boat where to have some historical significance it would only come down to the significance behind the story, not the object itself.

I almost wish you hadn't posted willmore I wanted to see what kinds of deranged arguments I could get from this.

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Pongo

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Re: Is this my boat?
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2010, 08:56:10 PM »
You're simply arguing over terminology.  It's all about how you define the words you are using.

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Chris Spaghetti

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Re: Is this my boat?
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2010, 03:13:26 AM »
Humans have always had problems cataloguing objects which aren't clear-cut and immutable. The question could ask 'when is a village not a village?' if you take away one house it's still a village... etc.

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spanner34.5

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Re: Is this my boat?
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2010, 04:22:35 AM »
As you would die before completing the task, it would be your boat until you died.
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Lord Wilmore

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Re: Is this my boat?
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2010, 05:00:43 AM »
Even something as simple as what makes a chair a chair poses problems. For example, ask yourself what the precise difference is between a stool and a table. I doubt you'll come up with a meaningful answer that cannot in some way be exposed.
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spanner34.5

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Re: Is this my boat?
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2010, 08:15:44 AM »
Even something as simple as what makes a chair a chair poses problems. For example, ask yourself what the precise difference is between a stool and a table. I doubt you'll come up with a meaningful answer that cannot in some way be exposed.
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The Bristol stool scale http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Stool_Scale
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Re: Is this my boat?
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2010, 03:15:48 PM »
Aslong as you still own the wood its always yours, but as soon as one thing changes, its fundamentally not the same boat.
Stop all this nonesense and bring on the lapdancers.
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EnigmaZV

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Re: Is this my boat?
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2010, 12:16:48 PM »
Aslong as you still own the wood its always yours, but as soon as one thing changes, its fundamentally not the same boat.

This would imply that you are no longer fundamentally yourself, as cells are constantly being lost and regrown.
I don't know what you're implying, but you're probably wrong.

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SupahLovah

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Re: Is this my boat?
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2010, 11:55:40 AM »
Aslong as you still own the wood its always yours, but as soon as one thing changes, its fundamentally not the same boat.

This would imply that you are no longer fundamentally yourself, as cells are constantly being lost and regrown.
Regrown from what?
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theonlydann

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Re: Is this my boat?
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2010, 12:04:27 PM »
How many memories can i lose before i stop being me?

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EnigmaZV

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Re: Is this my boat?
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2010, 12:09:12 PM »
Aslong as you still own the wood its always yours, but as soon as one thing changes, its fundamentally not the same boat.

This would imply that you are no longer fundamentally yourself, as cells are constantly being lost and regrown.
Regrown from what?
Regrown from materials received from the environment, which are then taken in by the cell in order to replicate.
I don't know what you're implying, but you're probably wrong.

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SupahLovah

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Re: Is this my boat?
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2010, 12:14:02 PM »
So we're all REALLY the flat earth.

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Pongo

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Re: Is this my boat?
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2010, 03:33:47 AM »
How many memories can i lose before i stop being me?

All, for is an infant with no memories not still themselves?

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theonlydann

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Re: Is this my boat?
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2010, 12:19:44 PM »
How many memories can i lose before i stop being me?

All, for is an infant with no memories not still themselves?
Ask someone with alzheimers.I SPELLED IT WRONG. Fuck you spell check...

Also... an infant has no memories to base its personality on.

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Catchpa

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Re: Is this my boat?
« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2010, 01:44:02 PM »
Let us say that I sailed across a lake in a wooden boat. Now this boat remains in dry dock from now untill the end of the earth. Every year I replace one of the boards with a new one, after replacing the board I add it to another boat thats just made out of the old wood.

Now here is the question, does replacing a board make the first boat not the one I sailed across the lake in? At what point would it stop being the boat I sailed across the lake in? And what is the other boat once all the pieces have been switched out?

Once just above 50% has been changed from the boat, it is now another boat.
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SupahLovah

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Re: Is this my boat?
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2010, 10:35:13 PM »
Let us say that I sailed across a lake in a wooden boat. Now this boat remains in dry dock from now untill the end of the earth. Every year I replace one of the boards with a new one, after replacing the board I add it to another boat thats just made out of the old wood.

Now here is the question, does replacing a board make the first boat not the one I sailed across the lake in? At what point would it stop being the boat I sailed across the lake in? And what is the other boat once all the pieces have been switched out?

Once just above 50% has been changed from the boat, it is now another boat.
ur dum. Once it's been changed, it's not the same thing.
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Lord Wilmore

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Re: Is this my boat?
« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2010, 06:01:03 AM »
So you've all been several people in the course of your lives, right?
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Re: Is this my boat?
« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2010, 08:03:32 AM »
So you've all been several people in the course of your lives, right?
By my count, I am currently fourteen people right now.