Digital camera/Weather balloon experiment

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Hynkel

Digital camera/Weather balloon experiment
« on: March 01, 2010, 07:32:54 AM »
Attach a digital camera to a weather baloon, release, and transmit images back to a computer as it rises.

Has any flat earther done such an expermiment? It's entirely feasible, and a number of Universities/Schools have done such a thing. What would be the expected outcome from such an experiment? Certianly no curvature of the Earth would be on display since it isn't round. Can someone who believes in the theory (or perhaps a group of you to reduce costs) try this experiment?

At http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/09/the-150-space-camera-mit-students-beat-nasa-on-beer-money-budget/ you can see the results from such an experiment conducted by two MIT students, but I suppose they faked this as well?

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Re: Digital camera/Weather balloon experiment
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2010, 07:38:21 AM »
Moved to Q&A. We've seen this kind of thing before, and in all honesty I don't see what it proves about either theory.
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Re: Digital camera/Weather balloon experiment
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2010, 04:01:22 PM »
Moved to Q&A. We've seen this kind of thing before, and in all honesty I don't see what it proves about either theory.

If Earth is a flat circle, the pictures coming back should show flat stuff until it gets high enough to see the ice wall.

If Earth is a sphere, it should gradually show more and more curvature as the weather balloon rises into the upper atmosphere.

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Re: Digital camera/Weather balloon experiment
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2010, 04:17:20 PM »
The picture was supposedly taken at 93,000 feet, and yet I still don't see any curvature.
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Re: Digital camera/Weather balloon experiment
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2010, 04:17:45 PM »
Moved to Q&A. We've seen this kind of thing before, and in all honesty I don't see what it proves about either theory.

If Earth is a flat circle, the pictures coming back should show flat stuff until it gets high enough to see the ice wall.

If Earth is a sphere, it should gradually show more and more curvature as the weather balloon rises into the upper atmosphere.
Your balloon won't get high enough

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Re: Digital camera/Weather balloon experiment
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2010, 07:56:00 PM »
The picture was supposedly taken at 93,000 feet, and yet I still don't see any curvature.



Here's the same picture only I added a tangent line.  There's definitely a little bit of curvature, you can't really deny that without looking stupid.  You can compare this picture to the original and add your own tangent line to confirm that the tangent line's straight and that I didn't edit the original.

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Re: Digital camera/Weather balloon experiment
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2010, 08:43:04 PM »
The picture was supposedly taken at 93,000 feet, and yet I still don't see any curvature.
take a ruler to your monitor, or use a photo editing application that has a straightedge tool, you can see the deviation.

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Re: Digital camera/Weather balloon experiment
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2010, 09:14:14 PM »
At the edge of the atmosphere the balloon is looking down at the distant curved edges of the sun's spot of light upon the earth.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2010, 09:27:30 PM by Tom Bishop »

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Re: Digital camera/Weather balloon experiment
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2010, 09:25:46 PM »
At the edge of the atmosphere balloon is looking down at the distant curved edges of the sun's spot of light upon the earth.
No you aren't, you're looking at a round earth, that's why it looks curved.

There I win the argument, see ^^^

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Re: Digital camera/Weather balloon experiment
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2010, 09:31:04 PM »
The picture was supposedly taken at 93,000 feet, and yet I still don't see any curvature.



Here's the same picture only I added a tangent line.  There's definitely a little bit of curvature, you can't really deny that without looking stupid.  You can compare this picture to the original and add your own tangent line to confirm that the tangent line's straight and that I didn't edit the original.

It is obvious the red line you've drawn does not coincide with the blue horizon, but it is at an angle. Therefore it is a bit higher on the left side of the picture and lower on the right side of the picture. This probably creates your illusion of curvature.

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Re: Digital camera/Weather balloon experiment
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2010, 09:44:55 PM »
It is obvious the red line you've drawn does not coincide with the blue horizon, but it is at an angle. Therefore it is a bit higher on the left side of the picture and lower on the right side of the picture. This probably creates your illusion of curvature.
It is obvious that you are crap at making stuff up. The line is straight and intersects with the blue line in the centre of the image. This indicates the blue line is not straight.

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BRIKROYSTER

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Re: Digital camera/Weather balloon experiment
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2010, 09:47:00 PM »

does this clear up the confusion. i color selected some things to make the boundary between earth and space more evident.

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Re: Digital camera/Weather balloon experiment
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2010, 09:50:30 PM »
It is obvious the red line you've drawn does not coincide with the blue horizon, but it is at an angle. Therefore it is a bit higher on the left side of the picture and lower on the right side of the picture. This probably creates your illusion of curvature.
It is obvious that you are crap at making stuff up. The line is straight and intersects with the blue line in the centre of the image. This indicates the blue line is not straight.
So, two straight lines cannot intersect at one point?

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BRIKROYSTER

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Re: Digital camera/Weather balloon experiment
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2010, 09:56:37 PM »
yes, they can, but that would mean that they cross, and besides, this is more than one point, this intsersects at two points, indicating the earth is curved.

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Re: Digital camera/Weather balloon experiment
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2010, 09:57:04 PM »
It is obvious the red line you've drawn does not coincide with the blue horizon, but it is at an angle. Therefore it is a bit higher on the left side of the picture and lower on the right side of the picture. This probably creates your illusion of curvature.
It is obvious that you are crap at making stuff up. The line is straight and intersects with the blue line in the centre of the image. This indicates the blue line is not straight.
So, two straight lines cannot intersect at one point?

They can. His is a poor example. If you refer to the post by BRIKROYSTER however, you see that the edge of the Earth actually does appear to have a curve to it.
There is evidence for a NASA conspiracy. Please search.

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Re: Digital camera/Weather balloon experiment
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2010, 09:57:58 PM »
If you refer to the post by BRIKROYSTER however, you see that the edge of the Earth actually does appear to have a curve to it.
No.

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Re: Digital camera/Weather balloon experiment
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2010, 10:03:12 PM »
If you refer to the post by BRIKROYSTER however, you see that the edge of the Earth actually does appear to have a curve to it.
No.
Look again *shoves parsec's head towards monitor*
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Re: Digital camera/Weather balloon experiment
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2010, 10:04:08 PM »
If you refer to the post by BRIKROYSTER however, you see that the edge of the Earth actually does appear to have a curve to it.
No.
Look again *shoves parsec's head towards monitor*
Looks pretty flat to me.

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Re: Digital camera/Weather balloon experiment
« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2010, 10:15:42 PM »
Yea, I meant it intersects once, and then intersects again, therefore one of the lines must not be straight

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Re: Digital camera/Weather balloon experiment
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2010, 10:17:34 PM »
Yea, I meant it intersects once, and then intersects again, therefore one of the lines must not be straight
where?

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Re: Digital camera/Weather balloon experiment
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2010, 10:19:51 PM »
Yea, I meant it intersects once, and then intersects again, therefore one of the lines must not be straight
where?
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Re: Digital camera/Weather balloon experiment
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2010, 05:12:17 AM »

does this clear up the confusion. i color selected some things to make the boundary between earth and space more evident.

Near the corners.
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Re: Digital camera/Weather balloon experiment
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2010, 05:31:06 AM »
All I can see is a line seemingly intersecting some cloud or atmolayeric gasses. The boundary between the Earth and space is not clear, and nor is the supposed curvature of the Earth.
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Re: Digital camera/Weather balloon experiment
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2010, 07:22:53 AM »
All I can see is a line seemingly intersecting some cloud or atmolayeric gasses. The boundary between the Earth and space is not clear, and nor is the supposed curvature of the Earth.

Take a look at the one that's not zoomed in, bro.

At the edge of the atmosphere balloon is looking down at the distant curved edges of the sun's spot of light upon the earth.

Seems strange that the edge of the sun's spot of light is also the brightest part.  That's not really consistent with our real-world experience, is it?  Note for the slow: it gets darker around sunset.

Your pseudoscience has just been ruined by Microsoft Paint.  Get over it.

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Re: Digital camera/Weather balloon experiment
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2010, 08:07:17 AM »
All I can see is a line seemingly intersecting some cloud or atmolayeric gasses. The boundary between the Earth and space is not clear, and nor is the supposed curvature of the Earth.

Take a look at the one that's not zoomed in, bro.


And?
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Re: Digital camera/Weather balloon experiment
« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2010, 12:16:57 PM »
All I can see is a line seemingly intersecting some cloud or atmolayeric gasses. The boundary between the Earth and space is not clear, and nor is the supposed curvature of the Earth.

Take a look at the one that's not zoomed in, bro.


And?

The Earth appears curved.
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Re: Digital camera/Weather balloon experiment
« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2010, 12:17:38 PM »
All I can see is a line seemingly intersecting some cloud or atmolayeric gasses. The boundary between the Earth and space is not clear, and nor is the supposed curvature of the Earth.

Take a look at the one that's not zoomed in, bro.


And?

Start at the intersection of the line and Earth's surface (near the middle).  As you move up the line, the surface of Earth separates increasingly from the line.  Same thing happens in the other direction.  Since this happens so smoothly, clouds aren't really a valid excuse.

Also notice that everyone sees the curvature but you.

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Re: Digital camera/Weather balloon experiment
« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2010, 12:24:30 PM »
Start at the intersection of the line and Earth's surface


The boundary between the Earth and space is not clear, and nor is the supposed curvature of the Earth.


Also notice that everyone sees the curvature but you.


Looks pretty flat to me.


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Re: Digital camera/Weather balloon experiment
« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2010, 12:43:22 PM »
Start at the intersection of the line and Earth's surface


The boundary between the Earth and space is not clear, and nor is the supposed curvature of the Earth.


Also notice that everyone sees the curvature but you.

Looks pretty flat to me.

Notice how he cleverly put the posts out of chronological order.  Looks like someone's getting desperate.

At any rate, I don't really need to convince you that the horizon isn't straight.  Anyone else who sees this can judge for themselves.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2010, 08:19:49 PM by SurfGuy »

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Re: Digital camera/Weather balloon experiment
« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2010, 02:26:58 PM »
why does everyone on this forum post excuses i been reading all the rebudles are just excuses of how the guy photo shopped the picture is thier any other explinations of why the picture shows curves?