GPS. This has to be done.

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Re: GPS. This has to be done.
« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2010, 08:32:43 AM »
Well, if you want to add that to Xenu's definition, be my guest.
Why don't you address the OP, instead of some else who tried to agree with him and failed to back his logic up properly?
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Re: GPS. This has to be done.
« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2010, 09:31:53 AM »
Works = shows the place where you actually are.



My eyes can do that. ::)

That wasn't what he meant. GPS is used to show you where on the Earth you are. If I suddenly found myself standing in the middle of the field, unless the area is familiar to me I wouldn't know where I am (beyond the fact that I am in the middle of a field). However, I could figure it out with GPS.

I know that some of these posts are confusing, but try to keep up. :)
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Re: GPS. This has to be done.
« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2010, 10:18:11 AM »
This is a fascinating exposition on RET, but I don't actually see any evidence that backs up either theory.

How about the fact that anyone who is clever enough can go out and buy the proper equipment in order to track the moving signals and decode the publicly available information within those signals?  Sounds like something that a Zetetic would want to try for them self.


Sounds like somebody should try doing it and then get back to us with the results.
GO STAND IN A VALLEY OUTSIDE WITH A STANDARD GPS DEVICE, IF IT WORKS, FET IS DISPROVED. Satellites must therefore exist and orbit the earth, making it round.


Your post confuses me. Define 'works'.
Receive a signal. Simple line of sight. Being in a valley shows that GPS is not ground based.
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Re: GPS. This has to be done.
« Reply #33 on: February 15, 2010, 11:12:44 AM »
This GPS debate has happened before and will happen again.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: GPS. This has to be done.
« Reply #34 on: February 15, 2010, 11:44:36 AM »
This GPS debate has happened before and will happen again.


Because FE'ers never listen and need to be told about things over and over again.

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Re: GPS. This has to be done.
« Reply #35 on: February 15, 2010, 11:45:38 AM »
Well, if you want to add that to Xenu's definition, be my guest.
Why don't you address the OP, instead of some else who tried to agree with him and failed to back his logic up properly?


I did:


This is a fascinating exposition on RET, but I don't actually see any evidence that backs up either theory.
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Re: GPS. This has to be done.
« Reply #36 on: February 15, 2010, 12:42:57 PM »
This GPS debate has happened before and will happen again.


Because RE'ers never listen and need to be told about things over and over again.

fix'd

Search for GPS and satellites.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: GPS. This has to be done.
« Reply #37 on: February 15, 2010, 12:50:49 PM »
This GPS debate has happened before and will happen again.


Because RE'ers never listen and need to be told about things over and over again.

fix'd

Search for GPS and satellites.

Where is your evidence for the fleet of planes that would be required to give a world wide coverage? Considering the altitude of GPS is far greater than that of any plane, there would have to be hundreds if not thousands of planes in the air 24/7. Why have they never been spotted in the air or on the ground? Who flies them? Etc.

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Re: GPS. This has to be done.
« Reply #38 on: February 15, 2010, 01:51:45 PM »
This GPS debate has happened before and will happen again.


Because RE'ers never listen and need to be told about things over and over again.

fix'd

Search for GPS and satellites.

FE'ers do this so much... false quotes followed by a simple "fix'd" are a jerk way to argue, and really quite meaningless unless you provide evidence to back your side.

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Re: GPS. This has to be done.
« Reply #39 on: February 15, 2010, 02:07:54 PM »
fix'd

Search for GPS and satellites.


Unlike your Pseudolites, there is photographic evidence, statements, and independent observations of Satellites existing.

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Re: GPS. This has to be done.
« Reply #40 on: February 15, 2010, 02:22:09 PM »
Works = shows the place where you actually are.



My eyes can do that. ::)
define 'eyes'.

Infact, define every single word in that sentence. I'm a douche and can't think of any comeback to your brilliant argument because I totally concede that this is all correct and true information but am not willing to admit it.

My name is Lord Wilmore.

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Re: GPS. This has to be done.
« Reply #41 on: February 15, 2010, 06:12:23 PM »
Works = shows the place where you actually are.



My eyes can do that. ::)
define 'eyes'.

Infact, define every single word in that sentence. I'm a douche and can't think of any comeback to your brilliant argument because I totally concede that this is all correct and true information but am not willing to admit it.

My name is Lord Wilmore.

Another win for RE!!!
If the ultimate objective is to kill Skeleton, we should just do that next.

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2fst4u

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Re: GPS. This has to be done.
« Reply #42 on: February 16, 2010, 12:53:01 AM »
Works = shows the place where you actually are.



My eyes can do that. ::)
define 'eyes'.

Infact, define every single word in that sentence. I'm a douche and can't think of any comeback to your brilliant argument because I totally concede that this is all correct and true information but am not willing to admit it.

My name is Lord Wilmore.

Another win for RE!!!
I thought so. Problem is, when FE'ers know they're wrong, they abandon topics and allow them to get lost in the depths of previous pages of topics. This is probably the forefront of RET. It's pretty much indisputable

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Re: GPS. This has to be done.
« Reply #43 on: February 16, 2010, 12:58:17 AM »
I notice that too. I killed Parsifal's crap arguments in another thread and he stopped posting, and appeared later and got on some random tangent.

Another WIN for RE!

Yes!

Now people we must keep this thread at the top of the pile.

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Re: GPS. This has to be done.
« Reply #44 on: February 16, 2010, 02:54:05 AM »
Might aswel go through all the old topics they abandoned and bump them up to the top.

Re: GPS. This has to be done.
« Reply #45 on: February 16, 2010, 03:00:43 AM »
Might aswel go through all the old topics they abandoned and bump them up to the top.

You have a good point.  This is far from the first time they have been unable to come up with a rational and credible refutation of RET arguments.

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Re: GPS. This has to be done.
« Reply #46 on: February 16, 2010, 06:31:18 AM »
Works = shows the place where you actually are.



My eyes can do that. ::)
define 'eyes'.

Infact, define every single word in that sentence. I'm a douche and can't think of any comeback to your brilliant argument because I totally concede that this is all correct and true information but am not willing to admit it.

My name is Lord Wilmore.


Wow, how modest of you  ???


There's no point saying 'go use GPS, if it works RET is true'. If by 'works', you mean accords with experienced reality, then yes, G.P.S. works. FE'ers don't disagree with this. What we disagree with is whether or not it works the way people believe it works (this is why I asked for a definition of 'works'). If it does, then yes, RET is true. However you need to prove that.


Your OP is fascinating, but it doesn't contain any evidence.
"I want truth for truth's sake, not for the applaud or approval of men. I would not reject truth because it is unpopular, nor accept error because it is popular. I should rather be right and stand alone than run with the multitude and be wrong." - C.S. DeFord

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Re: GPS. This has to be done.
« Reply #47 on: February 16, 2010, 09:37:18 AM »
Works = shows the place where you actually are.



My eyes can do that. ::)
define 'eyes'.

Infact, define every single word in that sentence. I'm a douche and can't think of any comeback to your brilliant argument because I totally concede that this is all correct and true information but am not willing to admit it.

My name is Lord Wilmore.


Wow, how modest of you  ???


There's no point saying 'go use GPS, if it works RET is true'. If by 'works', you mean accords with experienced reality, then yes, G.P.S. works. FE'ers don't disagree with this. What we disagree with is whether or not it works the way people believe it works (this is why I asked for a definition of 'works'). If it does, then yes, RET is true. However you need to prove that.


Your OP is fascinating, but it doesn't contain any evidence.
Show us the fleets of pseudolites that would be required to work like GPS. 

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Re: GPS. This has to be done.
« Reply #48 on: February 16, 2010, 09:43:55 AM »

Show us the fleets of pseudolites that would be required to work like GPS. 

As you mention fleets, how many do you think would be required?

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Re: GPS. This has to be done.
« Reply #49 on: February 16, 2010, 11:12:06 AM »
Works = shows the place where you actually are.



My eyes can do that. ::)
define 'eyes'.

Infact, define every single word in that sentence. I'm a douche and can't think of any comeback to your brilliant argument because I totally concede that this is all correct and true information but am not willing to admit it.

My name is Lord Wilmore.


Wow, how modest of you  ???


There's no point saying 'go use GPS, if it works RET is true'. If by 'works', you mean accords with experienced reality, then yes, G.P.S. works. FE'ers don't disagree with this. What we disagree with is whether or not it works the way people believe it works (this is why I asked for a definition of 'works'). If it does, then yes, RET is true. However you need to prove that.


Your OP is fascinating, but it doesn't contain any evidence.
Then show me how they work. I'm not going to go out of my way to figure out something that I feel isn't the way it works. It might not be scientific of me but the way we know it works, is the way we make all things depending on the system. All large aircraft manufacturers and major GPS companies obviously know how they work. Why go to all the effort to come up with a fake way to explain how they work when they could just tell us that they work using ground based towers? It wouldn't contradict RET, it just wouldn't matter to either.

There is no other way for them to work. Ground based towers using UHF would not be able to reach your device whilst standing in a valley or forest. (btw, we know it is UHF because we can measure it). And a lower frequency would infact reach the device, but then there's the complications of that signal now having to travel further than a straight line and therefore adding increased amounts of inaccuracy. Radio signals can't be emitted at specific angles, bounced back and then have their distance measured by using trigonometry to take into account their angles. They simply emit in all directions at the same time.

Satellites must exist for any GPS device to work.

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Re: GPS. This has to be done.
« Reply #50 on: February 16, 2010, 11:13:08 AM »

Show us the fleets of pseudolites that would be required to work like GPS. 

As you mention fleets, how many do you think would be required?

You tell me how many would be required to provide worldwide coverage 24/7 in remote areas such as valleys, deserts etc.
Please show these pseudolites.

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« Reply #51 on: February 16, 2010, 11:23:10 AM »
Then show me how they work. I'm not going to go out of my way to figure out something that I feel isn't the way it works.


I'm not asking you to do that. I'm just asking you to provide some evidence. The OP doesn't contain any evidence.
"I want truth for truth's sake, not for the applaud or approval of men. I would not reject truth because it is unpopular, nor accept error because it is popular. I should rather be right and stand alone than run with the multitude and be wrong." - C.S. DeFord

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Re: GPS. This has to be done.
« Reply #52 on: February 16, 2010, 11:30:32 AM »
Then show me how they work. I'm not going to go out of my way to figure out something that I feel isn't the way it works.


I'm not asking you to do that. I'm just asking you to provide some evidence. The OP doesn't contain any evidence.
Evidence of what? It's entirely explanatory. If you dispute any of if, go outside with a GPS device, like I said, and measure the emitted frequencies, figure out how much they would diffract and therefore, where the pseudolites are. Then show me what you get. There's no difficult science involved.

What part do you particularly dispute that you would like me to provide evidence for?

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Re: GPS. This has to be done.
« Reply #53 on: February 16, 2010, 11:33:46 AM »
I see loads of claims about what can or can't be done, but I don't see any doing.


Your argument is totally hypothetical.
"I want truth for truth's sake, not for the applaud or approval of men. I would not reject truth because it is unpopular, nor accept error because it is popular. I should rather be right and stand alone than run with the multitude and be wrong." - C.S. DeFord

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Re: GPS. This has to be done.
« Reply #54 on: February 16, 2010, 11:36:48 AM »
I see loads of claims about what can or can't be done, but I don't see any doing.


Your argument is totally hypothetical.
I'm not good with equations or proving statements and stuff like that. I'm just very good at understanding and explaining things. I don't have the time or patience to provide equations. I simply don't know where to start. But if you aren't going to accept the OP's statements, then I leave you to prove that it isn't true. A hypothesis isn't a hypothesis unless an experiment follows.

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« Reply #55 on: February 16, 2010, 11:41:35 AM »
Well, like I said, without evidence, this argument doesn't prove or disprove anything - that's all I'm trying to say.
"I want truth for truth's sake, not for the applaud or approval of men. I would not reject truth because it is unpopular, nor accept error because it is popular. I should rather be right and stand alone than run with the multitude and be wrong." - C.S. DeFord

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Re: GPS. This has to be done.
« Reply #56 on: February 16, 2010, 11:44:48 AM »
Well, like I said, without evidence, this argument doesn't prove or disprove anything - that's all I'm trying to say.
That's a good one. I'm gonna write it down and be sure to use it whenever FE'ers come up with stupid ideas.


Oh wait, I don't have time to post that in every single topic

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Re: GPS. This has to be done.
« Reply #57 on: February 16, 2010, 02:10:35 PM »
Well, like I said, without evidence, this argument doesn't prove or disprove anything - that's all I'm trying to say.

Cool, you're now a hypocrite. Point taken.

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« Reply #58 on: February 16, 2010, 03:30:31 PM »
Well, like I said, without evidence, this argument doesn't prove or disprove anything - that's all I'm trying to say.
The general consensus by the scientific community is that GPS and GNSS systems are orbiting satellite platforms.
If you can't show this to be false, then you have a gaping problem with FET

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« Reply #59 on: February 16, 2010, 03:48:16 PM »
Well, like I said, without evidence, this argument doesn't prove or disprove anything - that's all I'm trying to say.
The general consensus by the scientific community is that GPS and GNSS systems are orbiting satellite platforms.
If you can't show this to be false, then you have a gaping problem with FET

My uncle works with satellites. How is it if someone on the ground contacts a satellite before it is shot up, then remains in contact with it when it is up in earth orbit can it be faked. why do we have no evidence of the space shots coming down again? why can i not find any photoshop mistakes in nasa videos.

before you FET'ers just scream conspiracy, please take a moment and explain each and every one of these. CONSPIRACY is not an answer i need you to actually explain in detail how each one works.

thank you
I'm going to need to revoke your reason license

i have reports that say you have been misusing it