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Barack Obama still isn't a Christian

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Sadistic

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Re: Barack Obama still isn't a Christian
« Reply #90 on: March 17, 2010, 11:55:31 PM »
dunno if this has any relevance to this topic any more, but Obama's father was apparently an atheist. Quite a bit more in that article than that though lolz...

http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1546579,00.html
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Re: Barack Obama still isn't a Christian
« Reply #91 on: March 18, 2010, 10:11:24 AM »
who cares if he is a christian?? I know some christians who are nice and some are bad, and the same with atheists.. so it doesn't matter!!!!
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Re: Barack Obama still isn't a Christian
« Reply #92 on: March 18, 2010, 08:06:43 PM »
Quote from: three-dimensional-world on March 18, 2010, 10:11:24 AM
who cares if he is a christian?? I know some christians who are nice and some are bad, and the same with atheists.. so it doesn't matter!!!!

I agree.

I've always had the philosophy that, to be truly good, you need to do what is best for others without fear or reward.  (ie. No god saying you'll go to hell if you do the wrong thing but heaven with eternal bliss for the right).
I'm an Atheist and I do what I feel is right because I want to.
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Re: Barack Obama still isn't a Christian
« Reply #93 on: March 19, 2010, 04:14:30 PM »
Quote from: Lorddave on March 18, 2010, 08:06:43 PM
Quote from: three-dimensional-world on March 18, 2010, 10:11:24 AM
who cares if he is a christian?? I know some christians who are nice and some are bad, and the same with atheists.. so it doesn't matter!!!!

I agree.

I've always had the philosophy that, to be truly good, you need to do what is best for others without fear or reward.  (ie. No god saying you'll go to hell if you do the wrong thing but heaven with eternal bliss for the right).
I'm an Atheist and I do what I feel is right because I want to.

And you want to because it rewards you with a sense of pride and joy. If you want to truly do something without any reward, hurt other people and treat them poorly. Those are the true altruists.
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Re: Barack Obama still isn't a Christian
« Reply #94 on: March 19, 2010, 05:12:10 PM »
This just in. Obama is now a Christian. Wow.
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Friedrich

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Re: Barack Obama still isn't a Christian
« Reply #95 on: March 19, 2010, 05:16:12 PM »
Quote from: theonlydann on March 19, 2010, 05:12:10 PM
This just in. Obama is now a Christian. Wow.

What happened? Did Jesus himself descend from the heavens to confirm it? I am pretty sure that nothing less would convince some people.
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Re: Barack Obama still isn't a Christian
« Reply #96 on: March 19, 2010, 05:41:55 PM »
Quote from: Friedrich on March 19, 2010, 05:16:12 PM
Quote from: theonlydann on March 19, 2010, 05:12:10 PM
This just in. Obama is now a Christian. Wow.

What happened? Did Jesus himself descend from the heavens to confirm it? I am pretty sure that nothing less would convince some people.
Actually, those people would likely declare him an imposter.

You know, cause he wouldn't be white/blue-eyed and carrying an assault rifle.
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Re: Barack Obama still isn't a Christian
« Reply #97 on: March 19, 2010, 05:44:54 PM »
This just in. Jesus and Obama share pigmentation. More at 11.
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Re: Barack Obama still isn't a Christian
« Reply #98 on: March 19, 2010, 05:52:11 PM »
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Lorddave

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Re: Barack Obama still isn't a Christian
« Reply #99 on: March 19, 2010, 07:00:09 PM »
Quote from: Raist on March 19, 2010, 04:14:30 PM
Quote from: Lorddave on March 18, 2010, 08:06:43 PM
Quote from: three-dimensional-world on March 18, 2010, 10:11:24 AM
who cares if he is a christian?? I know some christians who are nice and some are bad, and the same with atheists.. so it doesn't matter!!!!

I agree.

I've always had the philosophy that, to be truly good, you need to do what is best for others without fear or reward.  (ie. No god saying you'll go to hell if you do the wrong thing but heaven with eternal bliss for the right).
I'm an Atheist and I do what I feel is right because I want to.

And you want to because it rewards you with a sense of pride and joy. If you want to truly do something without any reward, hurt other people and treat them poorly. Those are the true altruists.

Partly.
Partly because I can empathize.
Mostly though because their problem annoys the hell out of me and I want to show my superiority by solving it for them.

Yes, I do have a streak of arrogance. 

But my point is that I don't need an eternal reward for it or threat of eternal punishment.  I do it for me, myself, and I as do all humans.

Based on my observations and interpretations, all animals go for pleasure and shy away from pain.  What brings them pleasure or pain is the complex part.  Like someone who at a soup kitchen takes up valuable time but it makes them happy for whatever reason.  Maybe pride.  Maybe the promise of eternal reward.  Maybe empathy.  Or maybe they do it because the guilt they would feel if they didn't was greater than the pleasure they would receive(by doing other things) not working at the soup kitchen.

Humans are far more complex than other animals in this regard.
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Re: Barack Obama still isn't a Christian
« Reply #100 on: March 20, 2010, 01:04:29 AM »
So people that do good things for an eternal reward are no worse than someone that does it for instant gratification?
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Re: Barack Obama still isn't a Christian
« Reply #101 on: March 20, 2010, 12:16:32 PM »
Quote from: Raist on March 20, 2010, 01:04:29 AM
So people that do good things for an eternal reward are no worse than someone that does it for instant gratification?

I'd say they're better only in that they are more patient.  But in the end, your motivation is the sole factor in morality isn't it?

We can all say murder is immoral but I doubt many would say that murdering someone who was about to kill you was immoral.

Or for a more topic related example:
What if you do good deeds, donate millions to children in need, preach love and tolerance, all for the sole purpose of being put into a position of power and trust?  Does that makes you a good person or a bad one?

For me, my motivation makes me an egotistical person looking for recognition as well as someone who get's easily frustrated.  However, I am unwilling to cause harm for that recognition. (Ie. I won't create a problem so I can solve it)
On the flip side, there is never any guarantee that I will get recognition for helping and I have found myself helping people who I dislike.  It's rare for me to refuse to help anyone when I have the ability to help and I seem to want the attention but then play modesty and try to avoid it.
What does that say about me I wonder?
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Sadistic

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Re: Barack Obama still isn't a Christian
« Reply #102 on: March 20, 2010, 01:18:41 PM »
Quote from: Raist on March 20, 2010, 01:04:29 AM
So people that do good things for an eternal reward are no worse than someone that does it for instant gratification?

I agree.

Quote from: Lorddave on March 19, 2010, 07:00:09 PM
Yes, I do have a streak of arrogance. 

I agree.

And your not nearly as deep as you think you are.
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Lorddave

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Re: Barack Obama still isn't a Christian
« Reply #103 on: March 20, 2010, 01:50:54 PM »
Quote from: Sadistic on March 20, 2010, 01:18:41 PM
Quote from: Lorddave on March 19, 2010, 07:00:09 PM
Yes, I do have a streak of arrogance. 

I agree.

And your not nearly as deep as you think you are.

Probably, but that's my little lie to myself.  I'm sure you have one as well, whatever it may be. 

I also like to think I know the meaning of life.  A lie or not, it makes me feel good and isn't that all life is about?
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Re: Barack Obama still isn't a Christian
« Reply #104 on: March 21, 2010, 07:51:27 PM »
Quote from: Lorddave on March 20, 2010, 01:50:54 PM
Quote from: Sadistic on March 20, 2010, 01:18:41 PM
Quote from: Lorddave on March 19, 2010, 07:00:09 PM
Yes, I do have a streak of arrogance. 

I agree.

And your not nearly as deep as you think you are.

Probably, but that's my little lie to myself.  I'm sure you have one as well, whatever it may be. 

I also like to think I know the meaning of life.  A lie or not, it makes me feel good and isn't that all life is about?

ARROGANCE
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Lorddave

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Re: Barack Obama still isn't a Christian
« Reply #105 on: March 22, 2010, 08:43:18 PM »
Quote from: three-dimensional-world on March 21, 2010, 07:51:27 PM
Quote from: Lorddave on March 20, 2010, 01:50:54 PM
Quote from: Sadistic on March 20, 2010, 01:18:41 PM
Quote from: Lorddave on March 19, 2010, 07:00:09 PM
Yes, I do have a streak of arrogance. 

I agree.

And your not nearly as deep as you think you are.

Probably, but that's my little lie to myself.  I'm sure you have one as well, whatever it may be. 

I also like to think I know the meaning of life.  A lie or not, it makes me feel good and isn't that all life is about?

ARROGANCE

Perhaps I should clarify...

My life, to me, is all about making me feel good.  Everything else is secondary.  After all, I don't intentionally make myself unhappy just so someone else can be happy do I?  That would be crazy.
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Re: Barack Obama still isn't a Christian
« Reply #106 on: March 22, 2010, 08:47:45 PM »
Quote from: Lorddave on March 22, 2010, 08:43:18 PM
Quote from: three-dimensional-world on March 21, 2010, 07:51:27 PM
Quote from: Lorddave on March 20, 2010, 01:50:54 PM
Quote from: Sadistic on March 20, 2010, 01:18:41 PM
Quote from: Lorddave on March 19, 2010, 07:00:09 PM
Yes, I do have a streak of arrogance. 

I agree.

And your not nearly as deep as you think you are.

Probably, but that's my little lie to myself.  I'm sure you have one as well, whatever it may be. 

I also like to think I know the meaning of life.  A lie or not, it makes me feel good and isn't that all life is about?

ARROGANCE

Perhaps I should clarify...

My life, to me, is all about making me feel good.  Everything else is secondary.  After all, I don't intentionally make myself unhappy just so someone else can be happy do I?  That would be crazy.
So in other words, you're a hedonist.
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Re: Barack Obama still isn't a Christian
« Reply #107 on: March 22, 2010, 10:30:35 PM »
I put myself in line with the universe and accept how things are. I acknowledge that emotions hinder more than they help.

(Who's that philosophy)
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Friedrich

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Re: Barack Obama still isn't a Christian
« Reply #108 on: March 22, 2010, 11:07:44 PM »
Quote from: Raist on March 20, 2010, 01:04:29 AM
So people that do good things for an eternal reward are no worse than someone that does it for instant gratification?

I am of the strong opinion that the result matters, not the way it was achieved or the underlying motive. If someone chooses to help another person that is good enough for me. I don't need to know why he did it.

Maybe that makes me a shallow or bad person, but I think it's the only logical way to evaluate these things.
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Re: Barack Obama still isn't a Christian
« Reply #109 on: March 23, 2010, 08:32:01 AM »
Quote from: Friedrich on March 22, 2010, 11:07:44 PM
Quote from: Raist on March 20, 2010, 01:04:29 AM
So people that do good things for an eternal reward are no worse than someone that does it for instant gratification?

I am of the strong opinion that the result matters, not the way it was achieved or the underlying motive. If someone chooses to help another person that is good enough for me. I don't need to know why he did it.

Maybe that makes me a shallow or bad person, but I think it's the only logical way to evaluate these things.

:D
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Re: Barack Obama still isn't a Christian
« Reply #110 on: March 23, 2010, 02:58:30 PM »
This lady met the Obama's and got her stimulus check:

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Re: Barack Obama still isn't a Christian
« Reply #111 on: March 24, 2010, 05:27:27 AM »
Her daughters were cute. I wonder what they look like now.
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Re: Barack Obama still isn't a Christian
« Reply #112 on: March 25, 2010, 05:58:31 PM »
Quote from: theonlydann on March 24, 2010, 05:27:27 AM
Her daughters were cute. I wonder what they look like now.

Have you seen the second episode that the God Warrior was in? Her second daughter turned into a total babe.
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Re: Barack Obama still isn't a Christian
« Reply #113 on: March 25, 2010, 06:15:13 PM »
Photographic evidence of Obama looking sad in a church. What more do christians want? He goes to your churches and feels bad already.

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Re: Barack Obama still isn't a Christian
« Reply #114 on: March 25, 2010, 06:18:05 PM »
Quote from: grogberries on March 25, 2010, 06:15:13 PM
Photographic evidence of Obama looking sad in a church. What more do christians want? He goes to your churches and feels bad already.



Looks like he's taking a nap.
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Re: Barack Obama still isn't a Christian
« Reply #115 on: March 25, 2010, 06:43:37 PM »
Quote from: But_I_Digress on March 25, 2010, 06:18:05 PM
Looks like he's taking a nap.

Don't you know? Thats what they do in church
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Re: Barack Obama still isn't a Christian
« Reply #116 on: March 25, 2010, 07:53:55 PM »
He's at a funeral in that photo.
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Re: Barack Obama still isn't a Christian
« Reply #117 on: March 25, 2010, 09:11:04 PM »
Quote from: Althalus on March 25, 2010, 07:53:55 PM
He's at a funeral in that photo.

Or he is trying to lick his neck.
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Re: Barack Obama still isn't a Christian
« Reply #118 on: March 26, 2010, 03:30:10 PM »
Quote from: Althalus on March 25, 2010, 07:53:55 PM
He's at a funeral in that photo.

Yes, Ted Kennedy's funeral. I posted that as a joke as obviously this thread is ridiculous.
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Re: Barack Obama still isn't a Christian
« Reply #119 on: August 19, 2010, 02:06:40 PM »
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