Random Religious Comic Thread

It's down to the preference of the employer and it is his freedom to choose which software he uses throughout his company. Equally, if you started an IT company you could decide not to use any MS software.

It's down to the preference of the employer and it is his freedom to choose which software he uses throughout his company. Equally, if you started an IT company you could decide not to use any MS software.

Starting up a company requires money. Again, financial pressures restrict freedom.

Ok, I concede that but if the word 'free' is to have any use in day-to-day conversation it must be framed in the relative limits which we are familiar with otherwise we have no justification for saying Canada (say) Is more free than North Korea.

Ok, I concede that but if the word 'free' is to have any use in day-to-day conversation it must be framed in the relative limits which we are familiar with otherwise we have no justification for saying Canada (say) Is more free than North Korea.

I already stated that I agree that the U.S.A. is more free than many other countries. I still would not call it a free country.

Could you conceive of a nation which was?

Could you conceive of a nation which was?

Yes, with a proper education system which teaches children to respect others' freedoms. However, it is not in any government's interest to implement such a thing because when the masses are prejudiced, they help to stamp out dangerous minorities.

I personally think you're overestimating human nature

I personally think you're overestimating human nature

I think much of human nature is shaped by education. This is the only explanation for culture shock.

To do this properly you'd need to educate the kids in a completely uncontaminated environment, kids are more likely to trust their parents than educators generally so they'll pick up their prejudices and faults.

To do this properly you'd need to educate the kids in a completely uncontaminated environment, kids are more likely to trust their parents than educators generally so they'll pick up their prejudices and faults.

I'm not saying it would be simple, or that it could be implemented quickly, but I think it's a nice ideal to work towards for those of us without ulterior motives (read: those of us who aren't politicians, fervently religious or wealthy capitalists).

*facepalm*

Quote from: Chris Spaghetti on February 14, 2010, 02:25:22 PM

America has buckets more freedom than most places on earth.

I wouldn't go that far. The primary difference between the U.S.A. and most other countries is that the control is much more subtle, and also primarily in the hands of corporations and churches rather than governments.

Quote from: Chris Spaghetti on February 15, 2010, 12:52:12 AM

No America may not be completely free but it's free enough in my opinion to define it as 'free'.

I wouldn't, if only for the reason that financial, social and in many cases religious pressures make the average American not free.

What controlling powers do churches and corporations have?

What controlling powers do churches and corporations have?

You don't see how a place where people congregate weekly to listen attentively to the opinions of one man, and a small group of people with large sums of money at their disposal have enormous amount of power in a capitalist, highly religious society?

You don't see how a place where people congregate weekly to listen attentively to the opinions of one man, and a small group of people with large sums of money at their disposal have enormous amount of power in a capitalist, highly religious society?

Don't equivocate authority and influence. Unlike law, which is coercive, religions cannot force belief or adherence and corporations can only make offers in the USA.

Althalus, you always were the greatest troll.

Don't equivocate authority and influence. Unlike law, which is coercive, religions cannot force belief or adherence and corporations can only make offers in the USA.

I'm not equivocating authority and influence, I'm implying a causative effect of influence on power.

Althalus, you always were the greatest troll.

By being right? Even a monopoly can't legally force action, the government can.

I'm not equivocating authority and influence, I'm implying a causative effect of influence on power.

If the power to limit your freedom is in the hands of an influential few but isn't enacted through government how or where is used? Maybe we should make influence illegal, that would make society much more free.

If the power to limit your freedom is in the hands of an influential few but isn't enacted through government how or where is used? Maybe we should make influence illegal, that would make society much more free.

What we need to do is make people less susceptible to corporate and religious influence by improving the education system, reducing the use of propaganda and making copyright law fairer.

Quote from: Wendy on February 28, 2010, 11:05:34 PM

Althalus, you always were the greatest troll.

By being right? Even a monopoly can't legally force action, the government can.

No, not only that. But that helps.

Quote from: Althalus on February 28, 2010, 11:24:17 PM

If the power to limit your freedom is in the hands of an influential few but isn't enacted through government how or where is used? Maybe we should make influence illegal, that would make society much more free.

What we need to do is make people less susceptible to corporate and religious influence by improving the education system, reducing the use of propaganda and making copyright law fairer.

lolwut? how would you do that, get rid of religion in the USA? you're nuts *facepalm*

You know, there's only one thing you could mean by that which would make you right and not retarted.

Quote from: Parsifal on February 28, 2010, 11:29:23 PM

Quote from: Althalus on February 28, 2010, 11:24:17 PM

If the power to limit your freedom is in the hands of an influential few but isn't enacted through government how or where is used? Maybe we should make influence illegal, that would make society much more free.

What we need to do is make people less susceptible to corporate and religious influence by improving the education system, reducing the use of propaganda and making copyright law fairer.

lolwut? how would you do that, get rid of religion in the USA? you're nuts *facepalm*

Which of those three measures I suggested requires getting rid of religion?

Actually, I change my mind. There's nothing you can mean that'd make you right.

Quote from: Parsifal on February 28, 2010, 11:29:23 PM

Quote from: Althalus on February 28, 2010, 11:24:17 PM

If the power to limit your freedom is in the hands of an influential few but isn't enacted through government how or where is used? Maybe we should make influence illegal, that would make society much more free.

What we need to do is make people less susceptible to corporate and religious influence by improving the education system, reducing the use of propaganda and making copyright law fairer.

lolwut? how would you do that, get rid of religion in the USA? you're nuts *facepalm*

Parsifal may be a paranoid nut but you're a moron.

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Quote from: Parsifal on February 28, 2010, 11:29:23 PM

Quote from: Althalus on February 28, 2010, 11:24:17 PM

If the power to limit your freedom is in the hands of an influential few but isn't enacted through government how or where is used? Maybe we should make influence illegal, that would make society much more free.

What we need to do is make people less susceptible to corporate and religious influence by improving the education system, reducing the use of propaganda and making copyright law fairer.

lolwut? how would you do that, get rid of religion in the USA? you're nuts *facepalm*

So you're saying Improving education= reducing religious influence?  

Quote from: FearTehGators on March 01, 2010, 12:46:32 AM

Quote from: Parsifal on February 28, 2010, 11:29:23 PM

Quote from: Althalus on February 28, 2010, 11:24:17 PM

If the power to limit your freedom is in the hands of an influential few but isn't enacted through government how or where is used? Maybe we should make influence illegal, that would make society much more free.

What we need to do is make people less susceptible to corporate and religious influence by improving the education system, reducing the use of propaganda and making copyright law fairer.

lolwut? how would you do that, get rid of religion in the USA? you're nuts *facepalm*

So you're saying Improving education= reducing religious influence?  

No that's what parsifal implied.

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Quote from: FearTehGators on March 01, 2010, 12:46:32 AM

Quote from: Parsifal on February 28, 2010, 11:29:23 PM

Quote from: Althalus on February 28, 2010, 11:24:17 PM

If the power to limit your freedom is in the hands of an influential few but isn't enacted through government how or where is used? Maybe we should make influence illegal, that would make society much more free.

What we need to do is make people less susceptible to corporate and religious influence by improving the education system, reducing the use of propaganda and making copyright law fairer.

lolwut? how would you do that, get rid of religion in the USA? you're nuts *facepalm*

So you're saying Improving education= reducing religious influence?  

No that's what parsifal implied.

Correctly so, in my opinion.