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« Reply #60 on: February 14, 2010, 02:27:30 PM »
America has buckets more freedom than most places on earth.

I wouldn't go that far. The primary difference between the U.S.A. and most other countries is that the control is much more subtle, and also primarily in the hands of corporations and churches rather than governments.
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.

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« Reply #61 on: February 14, 2010, 02:28:05 PM »
America isn't free because you can't legally change and redistribute it.
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« Reply #62 on: February 14, 2010, 05:30:53 PM »
@Parsifal - You twist the definition of "Free country".

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« Reply #63 on: February 14, 2010, 05:32:22 PM »
@Parsifal - You twist the definition of "Free country".

I define a free country as one in which one is free to do as one pleases, provided one respects the freedoms of others.
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Re: Random Religious Comic Thread
« Reply #64 on: February 14, 2010, 07:24:19 PM »
ALl potato based foods that are not mashed such.

All non-mashed potato based foods are superior to mashed potato because mashed potato is the most vile thing ever invented.

When they come from a box maybe........


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« Reply #65 on: February 14, 2010, 08:25:12 PM »
@Parsifal - You twist the definition of "Free country".

I define a free country as one in which one is free to do as one pleases, provided one respects the freedoms of others.

Go ahead and define it that way, but that's not the rest of the word's definition meaning you are the minority.

Re: Random Religious Comic Thread
« Reply #66 on: February 14, 2010, 08:30:17 PM »
What exactly is the rest of the world's definition of freedom?

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« Reply #67 on: February 14, 2010, 08:31:39 PM »
What exactly is the rest of the world's definition of freedom?

Amerikkka?
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Re: Random Religious Comic Thread
« Reply #68 on: February 14, 2010, 08:31:53 PM »

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« Reply #69 on: February 14, 2010, 08:40:09 PM »
Quote from: Shitty wiki article that CR90 linked to.
Free country is a political and ideological concept that refers to the existence of political, social, and economic freedom in a country.
I define a free country as one in which one is free to do as one pleases, provided one respects the freedoms of others.

There's no real difference between the two. This further proves CR90 is trolling, badly.
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« Reply #70 on: February 14, 2010, 08:51:22 PM »
Quote from: Shitty wiki article that CR90 linked to.
Free country is a political and ideological concept that refers to the existence of political, social, and economic freedom in a country.
I define a free country as one in which one is free to do as one pleases, provided one respects the freedoms of others.

There's no real difference between the two. This further proves CR90 is trolling, badly.

Read between the lines, a Free-country has laws to maintain order but none that infringe on human rights, if I understood parsifal right, his definitive means absolutely no laws, aka Anarchy.

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« Reply #71 on: February 14, 2010, 08:52:55 PM »
Freedom is an illusion I think; something politicians use to motivate people to do shit that needs to be done.

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« Reply #72 on: February 14, 2010, 08:53:11 PM »
Quote from: Shitty wiki article that CR90 linked to.
Free country is a political and ideological concept that refers to the existence of political, social, and economic freedom in a country.
I define a free country as one in which one is free to do as one pleases, provided one respects the freedoms of others.

There's no real difference between the two. This further proves CR90 is trolling, badly.

Read between the lines, a Free-country has laws to maintain order but none that infringe on human rights, if I understood parsifal right, his definitive means absolutely no laws, aka Anarchy.

read the bold
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« Reply #73 on: February 14, 2010, 08:53:54 PM »
Quote from: Shitty wiki article that CR90 linked to.
Free country is a political and ideological concept that refers to the existence of political, social, and economic freedom in a country.
I define a free country as one in which one is free to do as one pleases, provided one respects the freedoms of others.

There's no real difference between the two. This further proves CR90 is trolling, badly.

Read between the lines, a Free-country has laws to maintain order but none that infringe on human rights, if I understood parsifal right, his definitive means absolutely no laws, aka Anarchy.

read the bold

and your point is?

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« Reply #74 on: February 14, 2010, 08:59:51 PM »
Read between the lines, a Free-country has laws to maintain order but none that infringe on human rights
Please state a(n example of a) law that doesn't infringe upon human rights. Keep in mind that everyone has different definitions of what constitutes a human right.

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« Reply #75 on: February 14, 2010, 09:01:43 PM »
Read between the lines, a Free-country has laws to maintain order but none that infringe on human rights
Please state a(n example of a) law that doesn't infringe upon human rights. Keep in mind that everyone has different definitions of what constitutes a human right.

Yeah there's a sane-person's definition and a nutcases definition.

Try this:

Speed limits
NO murdering
Seat belts

need me to continue?

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« Reply #76 on: February 14, 2010, 09:02:32 PM »
Yes, please do. The only one I would agree with is NO murdering.
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« Reply #77 on: February 14, 2010, 09:05:03 PM »
Yeah there's a sane-person's definition and a nutcases definition.

Try this:

Speed limits
NO murdering
Seat belts

need me to continue?
These infringe upon my right to mobility, self-defense (and hunting), and choice (of how I wish to live my life), respectively. Need me to continue?

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« Reply #78 on: February 14, 2010, 09:41:16 PM »
Yeah there's a sane-person's definition and a nutcases definition.

Try this:

Speed limits
NO murdering
Seat belts

need me to continue?
These infringe upon my right to mobility, self-defense (and hunting), and choice (of how I wish to live my life), respectively. Need me to continue?

So you would risk your safety to act reckless?

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« Reply #79 on: February 14, 2010, 09:43:09 PM »
Of course, I know I would.
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« Reply #80 on: February 14, 2010, 09:44:01 PM »
Yeah there's a sane-person's definition and a nutcases definition.

Try this:

Speed limits
NO murdering
Seat belts

need me to continue?
These infringe upon my right to mobility, self-defense (and hunting), and choice (of how I wish to live my life), respectively. Need me to continue?

So you would risk your safety to act reckless?
Irrelevant strawman.

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« Reply #81 on: February 14, 2010, 10:00:28 PM »
Yeah there's a sane-person's definition and a nutcases definition.

Try this:

Speed limits
NO murdering
Seat belts

need me to continue?
These infringe upon my right to mobility, self-defense (and hunting), and choice (of how I wish to live my life), respectively. Need me to continue?

So you would risk your safety to act reckless?
Irrelevant strawman.

Irrelevant my ass! Answer the dang question.

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Re: Random Religious Comic Thread
« Reply #82 on: February 14, 2010, 10:04:48 PM »
Yeah there's a sane-person's definition and a nutcases definition.

Try this:

Speed limits
NO murdering
Seat belts

need me to continue?
These infringe upon my right to mobility, self-defense (and hunting), and choice (of how I wish to live my life), respectively. Need me to continue?

So you would risk your safety to act reckless?
Irrelevant strawman.

Irrelevant my ass! Answer the dang question.
Sigh, if I must. I'd be risking my safety not for the purpose of acting reckless, but for the purpose of, in the case of speed limits, mobility. Now that I've entertained your short attention span, please accept that all laws will infringe upon human rights.

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« Reply #83 on: February 15, 2010, 12:40:54 AM »
Speed limits
NO murdering
Seat belts

The first two protect the freedoms of other people to use the road safely and to not be murdered, and thus fit my definition. The third has no place in a free country.
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.

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« Reply #84 on: February 15, 2010, 12:52:12 AM »
All laws do restrict your freedoms, that much is surely obvious?

I suppose it depends what you're comparing a country against. I mean, at the moment it's a bit chilly in England and I would be comfortable in saying that it's 'cold' outside, but compared to, say, Antarctica/the ice wall it's a balmy summer's day. Compared to absolute zero, England is the surface of a sun!

No America may not be completely free but it's free enough in my opinion to define it as 'free'.

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« Reply #85 on: February 15, 2010, 01:34:21 AM »
No America may not be completely free but it's free enough in my opinion to define it as 'free'.

I wouldn't, if only for the reason that financial, social and in many cases religious pressures make the average American not free.
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« Reply #86 on: February 15, 2010, 02:56:29 AM »
America gives you the freedom to be a hermit in the mountains, a high-rollin' city banker, a hard-hitting investigative journalist, a farmer, a factory worker etc etc. you can be any religion you want in the US, you can legally decide not to have any religion.

There are a lot of social pressures as you rightly mentioned but you can, if you want, completely shun them and be prepared to deal with the consequences.

Because that's the issue, isn't it? Having the freedom to legally do something does not protect you from the inevitable consequences. You can paint your house red and paint a giant yellow hammer-and-sickle on it if you want but you should be prepared for the abuse you receive afterwards. You can legally go and insult a football team to their face but you must be ready for the beating you get as a consequence. You can decide to be an open atheist in a bible-belt hick-town but you should be prepared for the social ostracisation.

To dial a cliche here; Freedom isn't free, even in a world of utopian anarchy you should be prepared to deal with the consequences of exercising your freedoms.

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« Reply #87 on: February 15, 2010, 03:08:50 AM »
No America may not be completely free but it's free enough in my opinion to define it as 'free'.

I wouldn't, if only for the reason that financial, social and in many cases religious pressures make the average American not free.

It would be hard to find a society without a status quo.
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« Reply #88 on: February 15, 2010, 06:48:59 AM »
Quote from: Shitty wiki article that CR90 linked to.
Free country is a political and ideological concept that refers to the existence of political, social, and economic freedom in a country.
I define a free country as one in which one is free to do as one pleases, provided one respects the freedoms of others.

There's no real difference between the two. This further proves CR90 is trolling, badly.

Read between the lines, a Free-country has laws to maintain order but none that infringe on human rights, if I understood parsifal right, his definitive means absolutely no laws, aka Anarchy.

Firstly, you didn't understand him right. Secondly, I thought reading between the lines was the territory of the religious, not us common folk who use facts in our arguments.
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« Reply #89 on: February 15, 2010, 07:59:18 AM »
America gives you the freedom to be a hermit in the mountains, a high-rollin' city banker, a hard-hitting investigative journalist, a farmer, a factory worker etc etc. you can be any religion you want in the US, you can legally decide not to have any religion.

There are a lot of social pressures as you rightly mentioned but you can, if you want, completely shun them and be prepared to deal with the consequences.

Because that's the issue, isn't it? Having the freedom to legally do something does not protect you from the inevitable consequences. You can paint your house red and paint a giant yellow hammer-and-sickle on it if you want but you should be prepared for the abuse you receive afterwards. You can legally go and insult a football team to their face but you must be ready for the beating you get as a consequence. You can decide to be an open atheist in a bible-belt hick-town but you should be prepared for the social ostracisation.

To dial a cliche here; Freedom isn't free, even in a world of utopian anarchy you should be prepared to deal with the consequences of exercising your freedoms.

Social pressures in the United States are much more extreme than necessary due to their education system and also to corporate control. To use the example I am most familiar with, it's very difficult to get a job in the IT industry and use free software.
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.