Why do ships disappear as they go over the horizon?

Ships actually recede over the horizon, disappearing hull-first. In a flat-earth model, they should simply get smaller and smaller until no longer visible, assuming that light travels in a straight line (which has been tested many times). What is the explanation for this?

Ships actually recede over the horizon, disappearing hull-first. In a flat-earth model, they should simply get smaller and smaller until no longer visible, assuming that light travels in a straight line (which has been tested many times). What is the explanation for this?

The flat people believe that light bends. Read the FAQ to see the answers to most of your questons.

The flat people believe that light bends. Read the FAQ to see the answers to most of your questons.

Sure but how does light bending effect this problem, are they implying the light curves up and away from the earth after a certain distance?

Quote from: Sefnug on January 24, 2010, 08:15:13 PM

The flat people believe that light bends. Read the FAQ to see the answers to most of your questons.

Sure but how does light bending effect this problem, are they implying the light curves up and away from the earth after a certain distance?

yes. It also bends down when it wants, doesn't bend when it wants and changes direction completely, also when it wants to. Good work at theorising, FE'ers

It also bends down when it wants, doesn't bend when it wants and changes direction completely, also when it wants to.

Nope.

Apparently the Earth's light is special or something because although the light reflected off the ship bends, the Earth's light doesn't somehow so that it looks as if the ship is sinking.  Also, apparently Earth's light only bends when it feels like it; The curvature of the Earth from space is supposedly because of bendy light.  But then again, that doesn't explain why you can't see the entire Earth from space at a time.

But then again, that doesn't explain why you can't see the entire Earth from space at a time.

No one knows this, no one has been into space.

Quote from: Raiku on January 25, 2010, 04:49:16 AM

But then again, that doesn't explain why you can't see the entire Earth from space at a time.

No one knows this, no one has been into orbit.

Fix'd



There is a curvature from space because you are looking at the edge of a disk.  What other shape would you expect to see?

Quote from: spanner34.5 on January 25, 2010, 05:55:03 AM

Quote from: Raiku on January 25, 2010, 04:49:16 AM

But then again, that doesn't explain why you can't see the entire Earth from space at a time.

No one knows this, no one has been into orbit.

Fix'd

There is a curvature from space because you are looking at the edge of a disk.  What other shape would you expect to see?

1) Where is the ice wall?
2) Tom Bishop says it appears to curve because it's the edge of the sun's spotlight projection onto the Earth.
3) Why do the clouds get really bunched up at the sides? Have you never seen a spherical object?


So, to you, this object is clearly a flat disc?

Ships actually recede over the horizon, disappearing hull-first. In a flat-earth model, they should simply get smaller and smaller until no longer visible, assuming that light travels in a straight line (which has been tested many times). What is the explanation for this?

The earth is spherical? 

Ships actually recede over the horizon, disappearing hull-first. In a flat-earth model, they should simply get smaller and smaller until no longer visible, assuming that light travels in a straight line (which has been tested many times). What is the explanation for this?

My idea is a cumulative wave effect and atmoplane refraction.

Quote from: WardoggKC130FE on January 25, 2010, 06:15:58 AM

Quote from: spanner34.5 on January 25, 2010, 05:55:03 AM

Quote from: Raiku on January 25, 2010, 04:49:16 AM

But then again, that doesn't explain why you can't see the entire Earth from space at a time.

No one knows this, no one has been into orbit.

Fix'd

There is a curvature from space because you are looking at the edge of a disk.  What other shape would you expect to see?

1) Where is the ice wall?
2) Tom Bishop says it appears to curve because it's the edge of the sun's spotlight projection onto the Earth.
3) Why do the clouds get really bunched up at the sides? Have you never seen a spherical object?

So, to you, this object is clearly a flat disc?

Picture of the shuttle in orbit = fake picture. 

And they jacked it up by using a fish eye type perspective...obvious fail.  Proves nothing.

Quote from: onetwothreefour on January 25, 2010, 08:07:14 AM

Quote from: WardoggKC130FE on January 25, 2010, 06:15:58 AM

Quote from: spanner34.5 on January 25, 2010, 05:55:03 AM

Quote from: Raiku on January 25, 2010, 04:49:16 AM

But then again, that doesn't explain why you can't see the entire Earth from space at a time.

No one knows this, no one has been into orbit.

Fix'd

There is a curvature from space because you are looking at the edge of a disk.  What other shape would you expect to see?

1) Where is the ice wall?
2) Tom Bishop says it appears to curve because it's the edge of the sun's spotlight projection onto the Earth.
3) Why do the clouds get really bunched up at the sides? Have you never seen a spherical object?

So, to you, this object is clearly a flat disc?

Picture of the shuttle in orbit = fake picture. 

And they jacked it up by using a fish eye type perspective...obvious fail.  Proves nothing.

Not sure why you bothered to quote him. You never addressed any of the points he posted, you just started spouting nonsense. Unless you have proof the picture was faked...shut up.

Cheers

The fish eye perspective is to get the most picture with the least amount of camera, because it costs thousands of dollars to simply send a pound into space.  The fish eye effect isn't enough to make the world look round if it really was flat, though.  Has anyone responded to my argument earlier?  Maybe I've won that one.

Quote from: onetwothreefour on January 25, 2010, 08:07:14 AM

Quote from: WardoggKC130FE on January 25, 2010, 06:15:58 AM

Quote from: spanner34.5 on January 25, 2010, 05:55:03 AM

Quote from: Raiku on January 25, 2010, 04:49:16 AM

But then again, that doesn't explain why you can't see the entire Earth from space at a time.

No one knows this, no one has been into orbit.

Fix'd

There is a curvature from space because you are looking at the edge of a disk.  What other shape would you expect to see?

1) Where is the ice wall?
2) Tom Bishop says it appears to curve because it's the edge of the sun's spotlight projection onto the Earth.
3) Why do the clouds get really bunched up at the sides? Have you never seen a spherical object?

So, to you, this object is clearly a flat disc?

Picture of the shuttle in orbit = fake picture. 

And they jacked it up by using a fish eye type perspective...obvious fail.  Proves nothing.

A fish eye lens will not make a 2d disc turn into a 3d sphere. It will distort it somewhat but will not force countries to completely shift to the other side of the planet. It would still look flat if it were, indeed, flat.

Apparently the Earth's light is special or something because although the light reflected off the ship bends, the Earth's light doesn't somehow so that it looks as if the ship is sinking.  Also, apparently Earth's light only bends when it feels like it; The curvature of the Earth from space is supposedly because of bendy light.  But then again, that doesn't explain why you can't see the entire Earth from space at a time.

Wrong again. Please refrain from attempting to explain the bendy light idea when you have no grasp of how it works.

Quote from: Raiku on January 25, 2010, 04:49:16 AM

Apparently the Earth's light is special or something because although the light reflected off the ship bends, the Earth's light doesn't somehow so that it looks as if the ship is sinking.  Also, apparently Earth's light only bends when it feels like it; The curvature of the Earth from space is supposedly because of bendy light.  But then again, that doesn't explain why you can't see the entire Earth from space at a time.

Wrong again. Please refrain from attempting to explain the bendy light idea when you have no grasp of how it works.

Please, explain. Telling someone that they're wrong is one thing. Showing them is another. You haven't done that. And please don't say "Read the FAQ". It's rubbish.

Please, explain. Telling someone that they're wrong is one thing. Showing them is another. You haven't done that. And please don't say "Read the FAQ". It's rubbish.

I don't want to turn this into another bendy light thread. We already have two of those going in Q&A alone.

By its very nature this already IS a bendy light topic. The question can only be answered in one of two ways:

1. The earth is a sphere (correct by all means)
2. The earth is flat and light bends in a direction pre-determined by humans (utter BS)

By its very nature this already IS a bendy light topic. The question can only be answered in one of two ways:

1. The earth is a sphere (correct by all means)
2. The earth is flat and light bends in a direction pre-determined by humans (utter BS)

First of all, your opinions are irrelevant here, so there's no need to append them to possibilities. Second of all, there is another Flat Earth explanation involving perspective. Finally, if this is a bendy light thread it should be locked, and so should one of the other two. I don't feel like repeating myself in three different threads just because people don't know how to lurk before asking stupid questions.

Quote from: 2fst4u on January 25, 2010, 12:44:14 PM

By its very nature this already IS a bendy light topic. The question can only be answered in one of two ways:

1. The earth is a sphere (correct by all means)
2. The earth is flat and light bends in a direction pre-determined by humans (utter BS)

First of all, your opinions are irrelevant here, so there's no need to append them to possibilities. Second of all, there is another Flat Earth explanation involving perspective. Finally, if this is a bendy light thread it should be locked, and so should one of the other two. I don't feel like repeating myself in three different threads just because people don't know how to lurk before asking stupid questions.

AGREED. to summarize, read the FAQs and lurk moar.

Quote from: 2fst4u on January 25, 2010, 12:44:14 PM

By its very nature this already IS a bendy light topic. The question can only be answered in one of two ways:

1. The earth is a sphere (correct by all means)
2. The earth is flat and light bends in a direction pre-determined by humans (utter BS)

First of all, your opinions are irrelevant here, so there's no need to append them to possibilities. Second of all, there is another Flat Earth explanation involving perspective. Finally, if this is a bendy light thread it should be locked, and so should one of the other two. I don't feel like repeating myself in three different threads just because people don't know how to lurk before asking stupid questions.

Sometimes I like to feel like the king of the internet too.

post counts don't make you cooler.

Your theories aren't exactly very well written. 'Bendy light' Doesn't scream "This is why it looks spherical". It just makes people think about lasers curving around corners. Before you insult people, try explaining why their point of view is irrelevant, because last time I checked, yours don't seem to be any more relevant than mine.

Your theories aren't exactly very well written. 'Bendy light' Doesn't scream "This is why it looks spherical". It just makes people think about lasers curving around corners. Before you insult people, try explaining why their point of view is irrelevant, because last time I checked, yours don't seem to be any more relevant than mine.

Bendy light has been explained enough times, in enough depth, to educate anybody who bothered to read a bit of the material on the site before clicking "new thread" and typing the first question we've heard a hundred times before that came into their mind. As I already pointed out, there are two active threads about it on the first page of Q&A alone. Reading them would help you considerably, and if you have any further questions you can ask them there.

Contrary to popular belief, we at FES don't spend every minute of our lives answering the questions of new members who didn't bother to lurk.

Then your first answer should have been "read [insert topic link] first" should it not have been? Rather than flaming innocent, equally as important debaters.

Quote from: Don B on January 25, 2010, 12:29:31 PM

Please, explain. Telling someone that they're wrong is one thing. Showing them is another. You haven't done that. And please don't say "Read the FAQ". It's rubbish.

I don't want to turn this into another bendy light thread. We already have two of those going in Q&A alone.

That equals "Ah fuckit, I dunno". But kudos to you on not telling me (us) to "Read the FAQ".

I don't want to turn this into another bendy light thread.

Jesus! What have you done with the real Steve? Bring him back!

Then your first answer should have been "read [insert topic link] first" should it not have been? Rather than flaming innocent, equally as important debaters.

Your first post in this thread was hardly a fair treatment of the EA, or bendy light:

Quote from: rolls on January 24, 2010, 08:50:22 PM

Quote from: Sefnug on January 24, 2010, 08:15:13 PM

The flat people believe that light bends. Read the FAQ to see the answers to most of your questons.

Sure but how does light bending effect this problem, are they implying the light curves up and away from the earth after a certain distance?

yes. It also bends down when it wants, doesn't bend when it wants and changes direction completely, also when it wants to. Good work at theorising, FE'ers

Did you expect Parsifal to come here and give you a cookie?

I agree that this thread should be locked and pointed to one of the other bendy light threads. Otherwise this will become another 'flame Parsifal because he can think creatively and supports an unpopular idea' thread, of which I have read way too many on this forum. He is not just making stuff up, he actually has diagrams, equations, and explanations, you just have to look for them.

Parsifal regularly makes stuff up.

Sky mirrors?

Drawing a diagram doesn't make it so, please stop being so dim.

Bendy light has been explained enough times, in enough depth, to educate anybody who bothered to read a bit of the material on the site before clicking "new thread" and typing the first question we've heard a hundred times before that came into their mind.

It's also been rejected enough times by the mod team. Yet still you post it.

Parsifal regularly makes stuff up.

Sky mirrors?

Drawing a diagram doesn't make it so, please stop being so dim.

To me the point of an idea like a sky mirror or bendy light is that you cant tell the difference using simple observations. It challenges you to decide if you are believing an idea based on the fact that it is popular, or if you have a logical justification. I bet one reason there are Devil's Advocates on this site is that so many people believe anything their high-school teacher tells them.