Non-Government Space Exploration

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jtelroy

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Non-Government Space Exploration
« on: January 15, 2010, 09:46:03 AM »
There are two private engineering companies which produce space exploration technologies.

SpaceX has designed the Falcon 9 launch vehicle and the Dragon spacecraft it launches.

Likewise Orbital Sciences Corporation has designed the Taurus II launch vehicle and the unmanned Cygnus spacecraft.

How does the conspiracy deal with these two companies?  Are they secretly under the pay of the government?

Re: Non-Government Space Exploration
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2010, 09:57:09 AM »
How does the conspiracy deal with these two companies?  Are they secretly under the pay of the government?

Excellent point, but do you really expect to get any good information or opinion about this topic other than a clash of R and FE'ers saying duh yes or duh no...?

And to answer your question, of course the conspiracy funds them.  FET depends on it.

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Re: Non-Government Space Exploration
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2010, 11:04:15 AM »
How does the conspiracy deal with these two companies?  Are they secretly under the pay of the government?

Excellent point, but do you really expect to get any good information or opinion about this topic other than a clash of R and FE'ers saying duh yes or duh no...?

And to answer your question, of course the conspiracy funds them.  FET depends on it.

Now that I think about it, I don't know what I expect to get out of posting my points like this...

Re: Non-Government Space Exploration
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2010, 12:40:15 PM »
Can't blame you for trying, and I'll at least make an effort from my end to steer it in the right direction.

To be frank, I think most of the things NASA is doing these days is genuine and authentic exploration efforts, but it would be cool to see some new findings from new people.

So regardless of it being NASA or any of jtelroy's above examples, are there any FE'ers that don't believe that space flight is impossible, but that the images are merely being misconstrued or miscalculated?  I'm not clinging to anything here, it just seems like the only decent rebuttal aside from "it's all a conspiracy."

Thoughts?

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Re: Non-Government Space Exploration
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2010, 01:16:36 PM »
SpaceX lauches from Military bases. They are under government control. Scaled Composites hasn't orbited the earth, so maybe they are legitimate....

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Re: Non-Government Space Exploration
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2010, 01:19:21 PM »
SpaceX lauches from Military bases. They are under government control. Scaled Composites hasn't orbited the earth, so maybe they are legitimate....

But once they do orbit the Earth, they'll be a part of the conspiracy. Am I right?
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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2010, 01:38:23 PM »
SpaceX lauches from Military bases. They are under government control. Scaled Composites hasn't orbited the earth, so maybe they are legitimate....

But once they do orbit the Earth, they'll be a part of the conspiracy. Am I right?
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Re: Non-Government Space Exploration
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2010, 01:41:09 PM »
SpaceX lauches from Military bases. They are under government control. Scaled Composites hasn't orbited the earth, so maybe they are legitimate....

Scaled Composites is a government contractor.

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Re: Non-Government Space Exploration
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2010, 01:45:59 PM »
SpaceX lauches from Military bases. They are under government control. Scaled Composites hasn't orbited the earth, so maybe they are legitimate....

Scaled Composites is a government contractor.

Space X is a private company (allegedly) to whom NASA  gave a contract to use their spacecraft design.  The SpaceX craft is going to be used for ISS crews only I believe.

Scaled Composites is owned by Northrop Grumman, which has done a lot of the business with the Military.

Good points.

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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2010, 03:11:21 PM »
SpaceX lauches from Military bases. They are under government control. Scaled Composites hasn't orbited the earth, so maybe they are legitimate....

Scaled Composites is a government contractor.

Haagen Dazs is a government contractor.
There is evidence for a NASA conspiracy. Please search.

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Re: Non-Government Space Exploration
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2010, 03:18:39 PM »
So is Jabba the Hut.

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Re: Non-Government Space Exploration
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2010, 03:19:45 PM »
So is Jabba the Hut.

But that's in a galaxy far far away.

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Re: Non-Government Space Exploration
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2010, 07:35:35 PM »
SpaceX lauches from Military bases. They are under government control. Scaled Composites hasn't orbited the earth, so maybe they are legitimate....

Scaled Composites is a government contractor.

So is the Skillcraft pen company.
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Re: Non-Government Space Exploration
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2010, 12:40:47 AM »
SpaceX lauches from Military bases. They are under government control. Scaled Composites hasn't orbited the earth, so maybe they are legitimate....

Scaled Composites is a government contractor.

So is the Skillcraft pen company.

ZOMG PENS ARE PART OF THE CONSPIRACY!!!

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Re: Non-Government Space Exploration
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2010, 05:31:47 AM »
The expansion of so-called 'private companies' into space will be a major part of The Conspiracy's 21st century operation. I expect any number of companies to emerge in the coming years and start putting things 'in space'. Just as with the national space agencies, there are probably less than a handful of people at these companies who are actually part of The Conspiracy.
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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2010, 06:58:48 AM »
Come on Wilmore, the more we expand to space, it becomes exponentially harder to contain the conspiracy.

You have far more lay people who probably aren't bribed that much (you know, to actually make MONEY).

Also there are people of morals who would just leak the info for the greater good.

I grow disappointed that you think 10 people can run this whole conspiracy, when it needs to approach 10,000 at the minimum (maintence and fueling of psuedolittes, gps companies need to rewrite software for different distances, etc.)

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Re: Non-Government Space Exploration
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2010, 07:02:05 AM »
No, the more The Conspiracy expands into the private sector, the more profitable and believable it becomes. It's a brilliant strategy, and it makes mankind's future look very bleak. We are a candle in the darkness.
"I want truth for truth's sake, not for the applaud or approval of men. I would not reject truth because it is unpopular, nor accept error because it is popular. I should rather be right and stand alone than run with the multitude and be wrong." - C.S. DeFord

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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2010, 07:32:31 AM »
The conspiracy just takes all of NASA's money and then appropriates it. More people, less profit, more incentive to blab.


If it does expand to the private industry, that means far more people asking questions, far more government bodies looking into it, much more people in the know. The conspiracy will dissolve if it exists the closer we get to affordable space travel.

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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2010, 08:35:05 AM »
No, the more The Conspiracy expands into the private sector, the more profitable and believable it becomes. It's a brilliant strategy, and it makes mankind's future look very bleak. We are a candle in the darkness.

1. Make up a conspiracy about the shape of the Earth.
2. Get the private firms involved.
3. ???
4. PROFIT!!!
There is evidence for a NASA conspiracy. Please search.

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Lord Wilmore

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Re: Non-Government Space Exploration
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2010, 08:36:54 AM »
No, the more The Conspiracy expands into the private sector, the more profitable and believable it becomes. It's a brilliant strategy, and it makes mankind's future look very bleak. We are a candle in the darkness.

1. Make up a conspiracy about the shape of the Earth.
2. Get the private firms involved.
3. ???
4. PROFIT!!!


1. Read a post
2. Misrepresent/misunderstand what's in the post
3. ???
4. PROFIT!!!
"I want truth for truth's sake, not for the applaud or approval of men. I would not reject truth because it is unpopular, nor accept error because it is popular. I should rather be right and stand alone than run with the multitude and be wrong." - C.S. DeFord

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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2010, 08:40:12 AM »
No, the more The Conspiracy expands into the private sector, the more profitable and believable it becomes. It's a brilliant strategy, and it makes mankind's future look very bleak. We are a candle in the darkness.

1. Make up a conspiracy about the shape of the Earth.
2. Get the private firms involved.
3. ???
4. PROFIT!!!


1. Read a post
2. Misrepresent/misunderstand what's in the post
3. ???
4. PROFIT!!!

Do you think it is more likely that the firms are involved in a conspiracy rather than providing an actual service?
There is evidence for a NASA conspiracy. Please search.

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Lord Wilmore

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Re: Non-Government Space Exploration
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2010, 08:42:09 AM »
I never said they're "[getting] the private firms involved". I said they're expanding into the private sector. There's a difference.


And if sustained spaceflight is impossible, then yes, I think it's a lot more likely.
"I want truth for truth's sake, not for the applaud or approval of men. I would not reject truth because it is unpopular, nor accept error because it is popular. I should rather be right and stand alone than run with the multitude and be wrong." - C.S. DeFord

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« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2010, 08:50:24 AM »
I never said they're "[getting] the private firms involved". I said they're expanding into the private sector. There's a difference.


And if sustained spaceflight is impossible, then yes, I think it's a lot more likely.

But the problem is that FET depends on the existence of a conspiracy. This is bush league thinking, the kind of logical progression that people who have to churn out papers for their professors learn to avoid if they want to pass the course. All of FET is based on circular logic.

Without proof of a conspiracy, you claim that it exists simply because you believe that the Earth is flat. Then you turn it around to say that the existence of a conspiracy is proof that the Earth must be flat.

Consider this:

There is no proof of a conspiracy, therefore it is likely that it does not exist. Given that FET depends on the existence of a conspiracy, it is likely that FET is obsolete.
There is evidence for a NASA conspiracy. Please search.

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Re: Non-Government Space Exploration
« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2010, 03:08:04 PM »
Here's the flaw in your argument: FET does not depend on the existence of The Conspiracy.
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Re: Non-Government Space Exploration
« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2010, 03:14:09 PM »
Here's the flaw in your argument: FET does not depend on the existence of The Conspiracy.

How so? You depend on The Conspiracy to discredit every photo ever taken in space. You use The Conspiracy to discredit GPS. You use The Conspiracy to discredit exploration of Antarctica. You rely heavily on The Conspiracy in ever facet of your theory. Don't deny it, that just makes you look like a liar.
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Re: Non-Government Space Exploration
« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2010, 03:48:09 PM »
Here's the flaw in your argument: FET does not depend on the existence of The Conspiracy.

Would you prefer us to assert it depends on a sensible explanation for there being two celestial poles?
Compared to that, having to depend on Teh Conspiracys is chickenfeed.
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Re: Non-Government Space Exploration
« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2010, 04:40:59 PM »
Here's the flaw in your argument: FET does not depend on the existence of The Conspiracy.

Of course the conspiracy is vital to FET.  If there were no conspiracy, then you would be forced to accept the possibility that the earth is indeed round.
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Re: Non-Government Space Exploration
« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2010, 04:43:58 PM »
Actually, the conspiracy is vital for RET.

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« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2010, 04:56:42 PM »
Actually, the conspiracy is vital for RET.

Are you willing to explain how RET needs a conspiracy to explain any part of it? Or do we have to guess? And can I request you don't put any equations in your explanation please.
Gayer doesn't live in an atmosphere of vaporised mustard like you appear to, based on your latest photo.

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Re: Non-Government Space Exploration
« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2010, 04:57:47 PM »
Sustained space flight is impossible. RET claims it is. Hence, it conspires to show it.