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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #480 on: March 09, 2010, 09:41:02 PM »
(Incest is only wrong if we are evolving.)

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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #481 on: March 09, 2010, 09:50:44 PM »
(Incest is only wrong if we are evolving.)

That's certainly debatable.

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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #482 on: March 09, 2010, 10:05:54 PM »
(Incest is only wrong if we are evolving.)

That's certainly debatable.

Sexual reproduction is necessary to increase genetic diversity in the population. Due to fitness of genes we would become homozygous for most genes without mutation and selective forces that favor heterozygousness. (look into cheetah's lack of disease resistance and lack of genetic diversity for proof of concept here). If most people were fairly homogeneous genetically, there would be no difference between having sex with your cousin and having sex with a complete stranger.

You also have the problem of a young earth causing everyone to be within so many generations of each other. This would allow nearly no genetic diversity even if people were of different races.

Incest really would be insignificant without evolution. (at a more basic level, without mutations the driving force behind evolution incest would be completely innocent with no ill effects)

Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #483 on: March 09, 2010, 10:16:23 PM »
I will give that there is probably nothing inherently wrong with incest. but from a physiological stand point I am guessing it is not healthy.
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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #484 on: March 10, 2010, 01:02:50 AM »
One of the main driving forces of speciation is to have an isolated population stay isolated for long enough until they can no longer breed with the original population.  On islands especially, the offshoot population is presumed to be a very few amount of individuals (or even one) that become isolated.  Looking at the diversity of live on islands, one can conclude that the incestuous relationships of these species couldn't have been all that wrong.

See, debatable!

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« Reply #485 on: March 10, 2010, 01:32:52 AM »
The morality of both incest and cannibalism is questionable at best, but since society deems it immoral, there's really no way of saying it isn't without people reacting like CR90. He may be an immature asshat about it, but his reaction is healthy, and only shows that he can learn morals from his community. Honestly, I think we shouldn't stigmatise cannibalism as much as we do. Human corpses are taking up too much space as it is, and once you're dead, even if there is an afterlife, why the hell would you care about what happens to the one thing that's shackled you to the mundane Earthly life you've lived all these years? I know I wouldn't.

However, many Christians today claim that homosexuality is a sin and that God considers it wrong. When asked for the Scriptural foundation for this, they will invariably cite Leviticus 18:22.

Quote from: Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Why is this verse still considered applicable, even though the rest of the Mosaic Law has been discarded?
Because none of the other sexual prohibitions have been discarded.

Mykael is right. We are no longer bound by mosaic law (Acts 10). That being said, As far as extramarital sexual relations (specifically homosexuality) are concerned, they are referenced as sin in the New Testament as well.

In some states, homosexuals can marry. Is it still sin?
Laws != sins
He said "extramarital," and if you have sex with your spouse, it's not extramarital.

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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #486 on: March 10, 2010, 04:11:13 AM »
I will give that there is probably nothing inherently wrong with incest. but from a physiological stand point I am guessing it is not healthy.

Some would say the same about Onanism.
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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #487 on: March 10, 2010, 05:05:38 AM »
CR90, one last chance to salvage credibility: Explain your moral objections to non-reproductive incest.
« Last Edit: March 10, 2010, 05:14:03 AM by Chris Spaghetti »

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« Reply #488 on: March 10, 2010, 08:04:51 AM »
However, many Christians today claim that homosexuality is a sin and that God considers it wrong. When asked for the Scriptural foundation for this, they will invariably cite Leviticus 18:22.

Quote from: Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Why is this verse still considered applicable, even though the rest of the Mosaic Law has been discarded?
Because none of the other sexual prohibitions have been discarded.

Mykael is right. We are no longer bound by mosaic law (Acts 10). That being said, As far as extramarital sexual relations (specifically homosexuality) are concerned, they are referenced as sin in the New Testament as well.

In some states, homosexuals can marry. Is it still sin?
Laws != sins
He said "extramarital," and if you have sex with your spouse, it's not extramarital.

I never got an answer for this. Any takers?
I believe canadark quoted scripture that specified heterosexual marriage.
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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #489 on: March 10, 2010, 09:03:37 PM »
CR90, one last chance to salvage credibility: Explain your moral objections to non-reproductive incest.

It's still incest and loving you sister (or brother) in a sexual way is gross the fact you think it isn't troubles me about your morals.

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« Reply #490 on: March 10, 2010, 09:10:27 PM »
CR90, one last chance to salvage credibility: Explain your moral objections to non-reproductive incest.

It's still incest and loving you sister (or brother) in a sexual way is gross the fact you think it isn't troubles me about your morals.
disturbing/gross/disgusting!=morally wrong
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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #491 on: March 10, 2010, 09:47:29 PM »
Now I'm in trouble.



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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #492 on: March 11, 2010, 01:29:37 AM »
CR90, one last chance to salvage credibility: Explain your moral objections to non-reproductive incest.

It's still incest and loving you sister (or brother) in a sexual way is gross the fact you think it isn't troubles me about your morals.

*grits teeth* but why is it morally wrong? I think going camping in the woods and not washing properly for a week is disgusting but it's clearly not a moral evil. I think that playing loud music on the bus is irritating  but it isn't a moral evil. Now answer the damn question!

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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #493 on: March 11, 2010, 03:10:09 AM »
 :'( CR90 exists.

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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #494 on: March 11, 2010, 03:51:25 PM »
CR90, one last chance to salvage credibility: Explain your moral objections to non-reproductive incest.

It's still incest and loving you sister (or brother) in a sexual way is gross the fact you think it isn't troubles me about your morals.

*grits teeth* but why is it morally wrong? I think going camping in the woods and not washing properly for a week is disgusting but it's clearly not a moral evil. I think that playing loud music on the bus is irritating  but it isn't a moral evil. Now answer the damn question!

Because it's your blood related family, you moron!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #495 on: March 11, 2010, 04:05:07 PM »
DAMMNIT PEOPLE, IT'S WRONG BECAUSE IT'S IMMORAL.

AND VICE VERSA.

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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #496 on: March 11, 2010, 04:08:11 PM »
Incest is wrong because general society says incest is wrong. Society likes people who shares similar, if not the same, views, so if you wish to live in society, you should share similar, if not the same, moral views.

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« Reply #497 on: March 11, 2010, 04:10:01 PM »
CR90, one last chance to salvage credibility: Explain your moral objections to non-reproductive incest.

It's still incest and loving you sister (or brother) in a sexual way is gross the fact you think it isn't troubles me about your morals.

*grits teeth* but why is it morally wrong? I think going camping in the woods and not washing properly for a week is disgusting but it's clearly not a moral evil. I think that playing loud music on the bus is irritating  but it isn't a moral evil. Now answer the damn question!

Because it's your blood related family, you moron!!!!!!!!!!!

and.......?

Also, what if your sister was really, really hot?
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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #498 on: March 11, 2010, 04:12:40 PM »
CR90, one last chance to salvage credibility: Explain your moral objections to non-reproductive incest.

It's still incest and loving you sister (or brother) in a sexual way is gross the fact you think it isn't troubles me about your morals.

*grits teeth* but why is it morally wrong? I think going camping in the woods and not washing properly for a week is disgusting but it's clearly not a moral evil. I think that playing loud music on the bus is irritating  but it isn't a moral evil. Now answer the damn question!

Because it's your blood related family, you moron!!!!!!!!!!!

We established this centuries ago. Now care to provide an argument?

Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #499 on: March 11, 2010, 04:34:52 PM »
Because it's your blood related family, you moron!!!!!!!!!!!
If a man truly loves his sister, and she loves him just as much. How can that be considered wrong? How can it be wrong to love someone, even if the person happens to be a close blood relative?

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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #500 on: March 11, 2010, 05:10:36 PM »
Stop arguing with CR. You could explain it to him a thousand times and he still won't understand why his argument isn't valid.

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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #501 on: March 11, 2010, 05:11:34 PM »
CR90, one last chance to salvage credibility: Explain your moral objections to non-reproductive incest.

It's still incest and loving you sister (or brother) in a sexual way is gross the fact you think it isn't troubles me about your morals.

*grits teeth* but why is it morally wrong? I think going camping in the woods and not washing properly for a week is disgusting but it's clearly not a moral evil. I think that playing loud music on the bus is irritating  but it isn't a moral evil. Now answer the damn question!

Because it's your blood related family, you moron!!!!!!!!!!!

You defined what incest is, now explain why it's wrong.

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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #502 on: March 11, 2010, 05:33:58 PM »
CR90 uses large red font. He must be right.
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.

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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #503 on: March 11, 2010, 08:08:34 PM »
This thread is much more entertaining because of the morality discussions than because of the humorous comics.
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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #504 on: March 12, 2010, 01:17:58 AM »
CR90, one last chance to salvage credibility: Explain your moral objections to non-reproductive incest.

It's still incest and loving you sister (or brother) in a sexual way is gross the fact you think it isn't troubles me about your morals.

*grits teeth* but why is it morally wrong? I think going camping in the woods and not washing properly for a week is disgusting but it's clearly not a moral evil. I think that playing loud music on the bus is irritating  but it isn't a moral evil. Now answer the damn question!

Because it's your blood related family, you moron!!!!!!!!!!!

This is like having a discussion with a brick wall.

Ok, this is how I want you to present your argument: Action - moral? - reason

For instancee: Murder - No - You are breaching the other person's right to life, causing distress and anguish for the family and removing his contributions to society.

Rape - No - You are violating  the woman's privacy, causing extreme mental anguish and removing her right tio decline sex as well as possibly physically harming her in the event of STIs and pregnancy

Helping an old lady across the road - yes - You have aided another human being acomplish a task she was previously incapable of doing, you have reduced the risk of injury to her and mental injury for any driver who might've otherwise hit her.

OK? This is not a valid answer:

Incest - No - Because it's a member of your own family.

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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #505 on: March 12, 2010, 01:43:27 AM »
Because it's your blood related family, you moron!!!!!!!!!!!

The bible condones incest in many passages.  Are you suggesting that the bible is immoral?

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« Reply #506 on: March 12, 2010, 01:48:46 AM »
Ok, this is how I want you to present your argument: Action - moral? - reason

To make it clearer, I think he should present it as "action - definition - moral? - reason", like this (to use your example of murder):

Murder - Killing another person. - No - You are breaching the other person's right to life, causing distress and anguish for the family and removing his contributions to society.

This just makes it bleedingly obvious that:

Incest - Having sex with a member of your own family. - No - Because it's a member of your own family.

Doesn't answer the question.
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.

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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #507 on: March 12, 2010, 01:56:50 AM »
Genesis 19:29-38

19And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.

 31And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:

 32Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

 33And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

 34And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

 35And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

 36Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

 37And the first born bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day.

 38And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day.
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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #508 on: March 12, 2010, 02:11:12 AM »
Yeah, I agree with Parsifal

Oh and while we're on the Bible quotes remember that the family of Adam and Eve would have been incestuous as well as the family of noah after the flood.

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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #509 on: March 12, 2010, 02:19:57 AM »
We actually don't know about Adam and Eve. It never specifically states that Adam and Eve were the first and only humans. It does, however, specifically state that Noah, his sons and their respective wives were the only 8 people left on the planet, or barring that and assuming that they meant that the known world was drowned, the only people left in south-western Asia, south-eastern Europe, and northern Africa. That's still a lot of sister-humping before you get that area re-populated, though.
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