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Mykael

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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #420 on: March 03, 2010, 12:01:11 AM »

All old jewish laws.
Question: You discredit the old Levitical Laws as being part of the Mosaic Law, which no longer applies. I'm fine with that.

However, many Christians today claim that homosexuality is a sin and that God considers it wrong. When asked for the Scriptural foundation for this, they will invariably cite Leviticus 18:22.

Quote from: Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Why is this verse still considered applicable, even though the rest of the Mosaic Law has been discarded?

TO be honest I don't know, I'm not a preacher, I only know what I'm taught.
I'd suggest you find out. Also, do try to think for yourself. "Because that's what I was taught" isn't really a valid reason for holding a belief.

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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #421 on: March 03, 2010, 12:06:31 AM »

All old jewish laws.
Question: You discredit the old Levitical Laws as being part of the Mosaic Law, which no longer applies. I'm fine with that.

However, many Christians today claim that homosexuality is a sin and that God considers it wrong. When asked for the Scriptural foundation for this, they will invariably cite Leviticus 18:22.

Quote from: Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Why is this verse still considered applicable, even though the rest of the Mosaic Law has been discarded?

TO be honest I don't know, I'm not a preacher, I only know what I'm taught.
I'd suggest you find out. Also, do try to think for yourself. "Because that's what I was taught" isn't really a valid reason for holding a belief.

Really? That's why you believe science. And not to murder. Grammar. etc.

OH SNAP

Hurts when you argument is turned around on you doesn't it?

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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #422 on: March 03, 2010, 12:08:28 AM »
I'd suggest you find out. Also, do try to think for yourself. "Because that's what I was taught" isn't really a valid reason for holding a belief.

Really? That's why you believe science. And not to murder. Grammar. etc.

OH SNAP

Hurts when you argument is turned around on you doesn't it?

wat
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.

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Mykael

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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #423 on: March 03, 2010, 12:22:49 AM »

All old jewish laws.
Question: You discredit the old Levitical Laws as being part of the Mosaic Law, which no longer applies. I'm fine with that.

However, many Christians today claim that homosexuality is a sin and that God considers it wrong. When asked for the Scriptural foundation for this, they will invariably cite Leviticus 18:22.

Quote from: Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Why is this verse still considered applicable, even though the rest of the Mosaic Law has been discarded?

TO be honest I don't know, I'm not a preacher, I only know what I'm taught.
I'd suggest you find out. Also, do try to think for yourself. "Because that's what I was taught" isn't really a valid reason for holding a belief.

Really? That's why you believe science. And not to murder. Grammar. etc.

OH SNAP

Hurts when you argument is turned around on you doesn't it?
wat








...Seriously, wat?

1. Science is independently verifiable by anyone, via peer-reviewing and the publishing of experiment procedures along with the results. That's what makes it fucking science.
2. Not murdering people falls under common sense and basic societal moral systems.
3. Grammar isn't a belief, it's syntax for a communication method.

As always, an attempt to help you results in further regression into idiocy. I'll be sure not to make this mistake again.

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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #424 on: March 03, 2010, 12:51:32 AM »
My point: at face value your argument fails. I mean you're taught many things in life by your parents, by your teachers etc., yet you believe them without question. Like you're taught by your teachers that, say, Chris Columbus discovered North America, how do you know? You weren't there, someone could have falsified history. The point of that: you choose to believe what you were taught. So like I said you argument at face value fails.

Or how about that you were taught that CD player reads a CD by pointing a laser on little pits that contain the data. How do you know that's true? Have you taken apart a CD player while it's running or put a CD under a microscope? No? You choose to believe what you were taught.

One last time: at face value you're argument fails.

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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #425 on: March 03, 2010, 12:54:00 AM »
Chris Columbus. I guess there's no way of knowing, but interpreting the scripture in your own way, thankfully, is a lot easier.
And I've seen enough evidence that a CD player uses a laser to be satisfied.

Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #426 on: March 03, 2010, 02:37:49 AM »
However, many Christians today claim that homosexuality is a sin and that God considers it wrong. When asked for the Scriptural foundation for this, they will invariably cite Leviticus 18:22.

Quote from: Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Why is this verse still considered applicable, even though the rest of the Mosaic Law has been discarded?
Because none of the other sexual prohibitions have been discarded.

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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #427 on: March 03, 2010, 05:09:17 AM »
My point: at face value your argument fails. I mean you're taught many things in life by your parents, by your teachers etc., yet you believe them without question.

Okay, just no. I can tell you right now that this is not true for everyone, and it is especially not true for me. When I was a kid, whenever my parents laid down the law in our house, I would say "okay, but why?" It wasn't about being rebellious, I genuinely wanted a reason for the rules and boundaries I was to follow. Seeing as my parents were good enough debaters to convince an 8-year-old, I often followed those rules, too. When I was 5, I went to a Christian day-care, and was, inevitably, taught the tales from the bible as if they were scientific facts. As I was 5, I had nothing to base my standards on, and so I bought that. Just like Christopher Columbus sailed across the Atlantic, so had Jesus walked across a lake. But I still had questions. I once asked them what came first, Adam and Eve or the dinosaurs. When they couldn't answer a question as simple as that, and I had already seen fossils first-hand, the bible lost credibility, even to my as of yet not quite mature mind. In fact, I ended up getting yelled at for asking questions, which prompted even more scepticism.

Like you're taught by your teachers that, say, Chris Columbus discovered North America, how do you know? You weren't there, someone could have falsified history.

I actually know that he was not the first westerner there, because I've read about Vikings crossing the Atlantic in search of good timber and food. That's the thing about history, as well, any document sufficiently old has to be taken at least a bit seriously until you can prove otherwise, but we actually do read those documents with a critical eye. It's just that it's unlikely that the royal court of Castile just made up the tales of a man who crossed the the ocean in search of India, and found a new continent exactly where one appears to be in this day and age.

Or how about that you were taught that CD player reads a CD by pointing a laser on little pits that contain the data. How do you know that's true? Have you taken apart a CD player while it's running or put a CD under a microscope? No? You choose to believe what you were taught.

No, I've used CD's to experiment with laser interference, though. I've also taken apart CD players and used the lasers. Even so, that's not even the point. We know that all CD player manufacturers tell us that their CD players work that way. We know that the science textbooks tell us that CD players work that way. We know that the technology exists to do this. Why would we disbelieve something so mundane? Should we just believe that it's all a conspiracy because we can? Things like banning homosexuality(which the bible doesn't, it only disallows gettin' freaky) are illogical with the knowledge we have today, because we know that homosexuality never hurt anyone(excepting, of course, religious fundamentalists who stone homosexuals to death), and therefore, there's reason to disbelieve or question. You're talking about a set of moral laws from the bronze age. Do you know of ANYTHING else that we still have not improved upon that they had in the bronze age?

One last time: at face value you're argument fails.

I think your argument fails at face value.
Here's an explanation for ya. Lurk moar. Every single point you brought up has been posted, reposted, debated and debunked. There is a search function on this forum, and it is very easy to use.

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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #428 on: March 03, 2010, 05:58:48 AM »
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Really? That's why you believe science. And not to murder. Grammar. etc.

Not really, I trust science because papers have been peer-reviewed by people who have taken the time to independantly evaluate them however, If, for example, I wanted to question the results of Richard Lemski's E.Coli evolution experiments http://myxo.css.msu.edu/ecoli/summdata.html I can trawl through his raw data, question the methodology, or even repeat the experiment myself if I was so bothered.

I believe that prisons should concentrate on rehabillitation rather than punishment because I have read the evidence that harsher prison sentences do not reduce re-offending rates. If you genuinely want to improve your understanding and knowledge you should ask questions and demand evidence from any authority figure.

As for grammar, we follow largely arbitrary rules in order to standardise the language to make it as easily understandable to the largest amount of people.

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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #429 on: March 03, 2010, 06:21:04 AM »
As for grammar, we follow largely arbitrary rules in order to standardise the language to make it as easily understandable to the largest amount of people.

Except for certain countries which like to change the rules around a bit just to make it that much more confusing.
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.

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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #430 on: March 03, 2010, 12:10:57 PM »
As for grammar, we follow largely arbitrary rules in order to standardise the language to make it as easily understandable to the largest amount of people.

Except for certain countries which like to change the rules around a bit just to make it that much more confusing.

Bloody yanks.

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« Reply #431 on: March 03, 2010, 12:18:07 PM »
Yes, it is extremely difficult to understand those people.
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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #432 on: March 03, 2010, 12:18:56 PM »
As for grammar, we follow largely arbitrary rules in order to standardise the language to make it as easily understandable to the largest amount of people.

Except for certain countries which like to change the rules around a bit just to make it that much more confusing.

Bloody yanks.

*compares modern english to english from a few hundred years ago*

Sorry, but who doesn't do that?

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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #433 on: March 03, 2010, 12:39:07 PM »
Me and my fanatical devotion to the Grammar of the 1990s.

Or rather

My fanatical devotion to the Grammar of the 1990s and I.

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Mykael

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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #434 on: March 05, 2010, 11:30:17 PM »








"The Bible is not my Book and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma."
- Abraham Lincoln

"The idea that religion and politics don't mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country"
- Jerry Falwell




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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #435 on: March 06, 2010, 03:27:05 PM »








"The Bible is not my Book and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma."
- Abraham Lincoln

"The idea that religion and politics don't mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country"
- Jerry Falwell

Please don't pull misleading quotes out your ass, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_and_religion

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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #436 on: March 06, 2010, 06:54:52 PM »
However, many Christians today claim that homosexuality is a sin and that God considers it wrong. When asked for the Scriptural foundation for this, they will invariably cite Leviticus 18:22.

Quote from: Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Why is this verse still considered applicable, even though the rest of the Mosaic Law has been discarded?
Because none of the other sexual prohibitions have been discarded.

Was I the only one who noticed this?

Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #437 on: March 06, 2010, 07:18:09 PM »








"The Bible is not my Book and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma."
- Abraham Lincoln

"The idea that religion and politics don't mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country"
- Jerry Falwell

Please don't pull misleading quotes out your ass, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_and_religion

I don't see any contradiction.

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Christianrocker90

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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #438 on: March 06, 2010, 10:23:38 PM »








"The Bible is not my Book and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma."
- Abraham Lincoln

"The idea that religion and politics don't mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country"
- Jerry Falwell

Please don't pull misleading quotes out your ass, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_and_religion

I don't see any contradiction.

Of course you don't it means going agianst you partner in crime. Cynic.

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Mykael

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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #439 on: March 06, 2010, 10:25:01 PM »
LOL THOUGHTCRIME

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« Reply #440 on: March 07, 2010, 12:39:23 AM »
My partner in crime?

Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #441 on: March 07, 2010, 01:25:34 AM »
However, many Christians today claim that homosexuality is a sin and that God considers it wrong. When asked for the Scriptural foundation for this, they will invariably cite Leviticus 18:22.

Quote from: Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Why is this verse still considered applicable, even though the rest of the Mosaic Law has been discarded?
Because none of the other sexual prohibitions have been discarded.

Was I the only one who noticed this?
Yes.

Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #442 on: March 08, 2010, 11:33:18 AM »
However, many Christians today claim that homosexuality is a sin and that God considers it wrong. When asked for the Scriptural foundation for this, they will invariably cite Leviticus 18:22.

Quote from: Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Why is this verse still considered applicable, even though the rest of the Mosaic Law has been discarded?
Because none of the other sexual prohibitions have been discarded.

Mykael is right. We are no longer bound by mosaic law (Acts 10). That being said, As far as extramarital sexual relations (specifically homosexuality) are concerned, they are referenced as sin in the New Testament as well.
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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #443 on: March 08, 2010, 11:49:14 AM »
However, many Christians today claim that homosexuality is a sin and that God considers it wrong. When asked for the Scriptural foundation for this, they will invariably cite Leviticus 18:22.

Quote from: Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Why is this verse still considered applicable, even though the rest of the Mosaic Law has been discarded?
Because none of the other sexual prohibitions have been discarded.

Mykael is right. We are no longer bound by mosaic law (Acts 10). That being said, As far as extramarital sexual relations (specifically homosexuality) are concerned, they are referenced as sin in the New Testament as well.

In some states, homosexuals can marry. Is it still sin?
Here's an explanation for ya. Lurk moar. Every single point you brought up has been posted, reposted, debated and debunked. There is a search function on this forum, and it is very easy to use.

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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #444 on: March 08, 2010, 11:54:17 AM »
However, many Christians today claim that homosexuality is a sin and that God considers it wrong. When asked for the Scriptural foundation for this, they will invariably cite Leviticus 18:22.

Quote from: Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Why is this verse still considered applicable, even though the rest of the Mosaic Law has been discarded?
Because none of the other sexual prohibitions have been discarded.

Mykael is right. We are no longer bound by mosaic law (Acts 10). That being said, As far as extramarital sexual relations (specifically homosexuality) are concerned, they are referenced as sin in the New Testament as well.

In some states, homosexuals can marry. Is it still sin?
Laws != sins
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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #445 on: March 08, 2010, 12:00:05 PM »
He said "extramarital," and if you have sex with your spouse, it's not extramarital.
Here's an explanation for ya. Lurk moar. Every single point you brought up has been posted, reposted, debated and debunked. There is a search function on this forum, and it is very easy to use.

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Mykael

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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #446 on: March 08, 2010, 04:13:05 PM »
Wendy actually has a really good point.

/r/ Christian opinion (No, not you, CR90)

Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #447 on: March 09, 2010, 02:20:14 AM »
He said "extramarital," and if you have sex with your spouse, it's not extramarital.
Does marriage make incest moral?

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Re: Random Political Comic thread
« Reply #448 on: March 09, 2010, 02:59:43 AM »
He said "extramarital," and if you have sex with your spouse, it's not extramarital.
Does marriage make incest moral?

What's immoral about it anyway assuming both parties are of age, consenting, and they don't make a child?

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« Reply #449 on: March 09, 2010, 03:17:09 AM »
He said "extramarital," and if you have sex with your spouse, it's not extramarital.
Does marriage make incest moral?

What's immoral about it anyway assuming both parties are of age, consenting, and they don't make a child?

You're sick.