A Comprehensive List of Evidence?

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jtelroy

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A Comprehensive List of Evidence?
« on: January 09, 2010, 02:50:37 PM »
I've read through nearly all of this forum but I was able to find no listings of any sort of evidence, source citation, research, experimentation and the results, or verified experiences.

So, while I delve through this forum for the second time, would anyone be so willing as to present any of those things I have requested?  Any help from you FErs to shed some light on this theory would be greatly appreciated.

Re: A Comprehensive List of Evidence?
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2010, 05:36:49 PM »
don't bother, they'll just tell you to look out your window and ask what you see

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Re: A Comprehensive List of Evidence?
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2010, 05:38:09 PM »
Please provide evidence that the Earth is round. You may have noticed that the name of the site is the Flat Earth Society. You came to us, therefore you should have to provide evidence for your claims while here.

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Re: A Comprehensive List of Evidence?
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2010, 05:55:13 PM »
Sorry, for the confusion.

I never said anything about the Earth being round.

I simply asked for proof the Earth was flat.

Unless you're saying that because I have no proof the Earth is round then i must be flat.  Which I hope you're not because that's terrible logic. 

That would be like if I were to wear a red shit and I said "since this shirt is not blue, it must be green."

There are more shapes the Earth could potentially be then round or flat, like dodecahedral, spiral, or my personal favorite: the earth has no true shape but what the observer makes of it.

So to re-cap:

I'm not claiming the Earth is round, nor am I in anyway attempting to imply that is round.

I am simply asking to be supplied with concrete evidence of some kind (other than being told to look out my window because observational quality break down when you observe something massive at a very close distance) that the Earth is flat.

Thank you.

Re: A Comprehensive List of Evidence?
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2010, 06:00:23 PM »
i recently posted a thread, stars and constellations. which provides evidence that the earth is round. however it seems no FE's are able to provi de an explanation to support that the earth is flat, or even comment on the subject. i guess it takes longer than expected to make a bullshit excuse that makes absolutely no sense, to support a theory that defies all logic and reasoning. you should be the ones giving evidence, even if there is none...

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Re: A Comprehensive List of Evidence?
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2010, 06:47:36 PM »
Please provide evidence that the Earth is round. You may have noticed that the name of the site is the Flat Earth Society. You came to us, therefore you should have to provide evidence for your claims while here.

There are two celestial poles.
The sun and moon rise and set over the horizon while remaining round in appearance at all times.
Ships appear to sink over the horizon. Light has never been demonstrated not to travel in straight lines so don't think you can wriggle out of this one.
There's more, but there's at least one item in the list that you won't be able to answer at all and another you won't be able to answer without trying to use undemonstratable, untestable physics. And all it takes in one thing RET explains but FET cannot to keep RET as the superior theory.
There are no instances in which FET explains something but RET cannot.
Gayer doesn't live in an atmosphere of vaporised mustard like you appear to, based on your latest photo.

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Re: A Comprehensive List of Evidence?
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2010, 09:27:33 AM »
I think its funny how FE'ers seem to stop posting in any thread where they have been more or less conclusively beaten.

I call it the

"If i cover my eyes and pretend you're not there, you don't exist" defence.

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Re: A Comprehensive List of Evidence?
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2010, 09:29:57 AM »
I call it "This thread is n00b nonsense and I have seen it all too many times before."

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Re: A Comprehensive List of Evidence?
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2010, 09:49:00 AM »
I call it "This thread is n00b nonsense and I have seen it all too many times before."

This and this:
the 'I got owned the first time I made an account here so I'll make another and maybe they won't notice' thread.

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Re: A Comprehensive List of Evidence?
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2010, 10:51:52 AM »
I call it "This thread is n00b nonsense and I have seen it all too many times before."

This and this:
the 'I got owned the first time I made an account here so I'll make another and maybe they won't notice' thread.

I can't tell if you guys are being pro FE or pro RE.  If you're being pro FE, than i would say this has devolved from the "cover my eyes" defense to the "shit flinging" defense, where I get insulted personally for my not believing FE theory.

And if you guys are pro RE, than I guess I agree?

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Re: A Comprehensive List of Evidence?
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2010, 03:29:32 PM »
"shit flinging"


Hey that's mine, nobody else is allowed to take that away from me.

But yes, when they can't explain things, they will either ignore them, or go offtopic.

Re: A Comprehensive List of Evidence?
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2010, 04:02:42 AM »
"shit flinging"


Hey that's mine, nobody else is allowed to take that away from me.

But yes, when they can't explain things, they will either ignore them, or go offtopic.

Or nitpick spelling or grammatical errors that have absolutely nothing to do with the validity of the argument.

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Re: A Comprehensive List of Evidence?
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2010, 06:49:36 AM »
Please provide evidence that the Earth is round. You may have noticed that the name of the site is the Flat Earth Society. You came to us, therefore you should have to provide evidence for your claims while here.

www.stormfront.org

The onus is on you to prove that Jews are not dogs. You came to us, therefore you should have to provide evidence for your claims while here.

Amidoinitrite?

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Re: A Comprehensive List of Evidence?
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2010, 07:42:53 AM »
Please provide evidence that the Earth is round. You may have noticed that the name of the site is the Flat Earth Society. You came to us, therefore you should have to provide evidence for your claims while here.

www.stormfront.org

The onus is on you to prove that Jews are not dogs. You came to us, therefore you should have to provide evidence for your claims while here.

Amidoinitrite?



Yes? ???


This example doesn't demonstrate anything.
"I want truth for truth's sake, not for the applaud or approval of men. I would not reject truth because it is unpopular, nor accept error because it is popular. I should rather be right and stand alone than run with the multitude and be wrong." - C.S. DeFord

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Re: A Comprehensive List of Evidence?
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2010, 07:58:23 AM »
This example doesn't demonstrate anything.

*facepalm*

I'm afraid it does. It shows that it's a fallacious argument to say let's assume I'm right, now the onus is on you to prove me wrong.

Logic and reason don't take sides. You can't assume you're right just because the website URL happens to agree with you.

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Re: A Comprehensive List of Evidence?
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2010, 08:20:41 AM »
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I'm afraid it does. It shows that it's a fallacious argument to say let's assume I'm right, now the onus is on you to prove me wrong.

Stormfront doesn't have experimental evidence that jews are dogs.

We have experimental evidence that the earth is flat.

See the links in my signature.

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Logic and reason don't take sides. You can't assume you're right just because the website URL happens to agree with you.

We assume we're right because the evidence agrees with us.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2010, 08:23:24 AM by Tom Bishop »

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Re: A Comprehensive List of Evidence?
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2010, 08:28:24 AM »
Stormfront doesn't have experimental evidence that jews are dogs.

They might disagree. I suggest you ask them. But wait... if you did, you would be joining their website so the burden of proof would be on you. Are you getting this yet?

We have experimental evidence that the earth is flat.

No you don't. None that can be reproduced or that isn't based on flawed logic.

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Lord Wilmore

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Re: A Comprehensive List of Evidence?
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2010, 06:22:33 PM »
This example doesn't demonstrate anything.

*facepalm*

I'm afraid it does. It shows that it's a fallacious argument to say let's assume I'm right, now the onus is on you to prove me wrong.


It doesn't show anything. Moreover, that argument may be fallacious, but it isn't the argument made by anyone here.


Honestly, if I went to Stormfront to argue that they are wrong, I think it would be entirely reasonable of them to expect me to have an argument.


This is even more apparent here at FES, where we have an FAQ which we request all newcomers read. Thus our arguments (and as far as some people are concerned, our evidence, as it links to ENaG) are presented form the beginning, and at that point the burden of proof does indeed lie with others disprove them.
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Re: A Comprehensive List of Evidence?
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2010, 10:25:21 PM »
There are 100 "proofs" or "evidence" of a flat earth in my signature... Also read "Earth Not a Globe"...

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Re: A Comprehensive List of Evidence?
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2010, 10:46:51 AM »
There are 100 "proofs" or "evidence" of a flat earth in my signature...
Almost all of which are wrong.
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Also read "Earth Not a Globe"...
*screams and screams and screams until he's sick*
Gayer doesn't live in an atmosphere of vaporised mustard like you appear to, based on your latest photo.

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Re: A Comprehensive List of Evidence?
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2010, 11:15:03 AM »
that argument may be fallacious, but it isn't the argument made by anyone here.

??? Let me help you.

Please provide evidence that the Earth is round. You may have noticed that the name of the site is the Flat Earth Society. You came to us, therefore you should have to provide evidence for your claims while here.

See? Instead of saying "our proof can be found in the FAQ, or ENAG" he said "you came to us..." well you get the idea. I hope.

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Re: A Comprehensive List of Evidence?
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2010, 12:30:15 PM »
There are 100 "proofs" or "evidence" of a flat earth in my signature...

Quote from: http://flatearthlogic.webs.com/hundredproofs.htm
29. If the Earth were a globe, it would, unquestionably, have the same general characteristics - no matter its size - as a small globe that may be stood upon the table. As the small globe has top, bottom, and sides, so must also the large one - no matter how large it be. But, as the Earth, which is "supposed" to be a large globe, has no sides or bottom as the small globe has, the conclusion is irresistible that it is a proof that the Earth is not a globe.

Obviously someone doesn't understand scale.  And just how many sides does a globe have?
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Re: A Comprehensive List of Evidence?
« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2010, 01:11:04 PM »
that argument may be fallacious, but it isn't the argument made by anyone here.

??? Let me help you.

Please provide evidence that the Earth is round. You may have noticed that the name of the site is the Flat Earth Society. You came to us, therefore you should have to provide evidence for your claims while here.

See? Instead of saying "our proof can be found in the FAQ, or ENAG" he said "you came to us..." well you get the idea. I hope.


Implicit. Nobody comes here without hearing about the FAQ.
"I want truth for truth's sake, not for the applaud or approval of men. I would not reject truth because it is unpopular, nor accept error because it is popular. I should rather be right and stand alone than run with the multitude and be wrong." - C.S. DeFord

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Re: A Comprehensive List of Evidence?
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2010, 01:21:02 PM »
Nope. You can't make a retarted argument and then try and pretend that it really means something else.

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Re: A Comprehensive List of Evidence?
« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2010, 06:07:31 PM »
I think its funy how FET says it has science backing it up, but the science is little more than plausible speculation and relies on the conspiracy to be anything close to true.

But I made a different thread about that.

And I say again, why do my threads always get hijacked?

I think its because FE'ers like to change the subject at random.

My question in the OP was not to prove RET false or FET true, but since you all seemed to have jumped to that conclusion, than changed the subject and argued over unrelated things for 2 pages, let me clarify the original question.

Tom Bishop himself said earlier that science has "proven" FET (although as I said, most of the science if flimsy and relies on vast amount of accepted and tested science to be fabricated) so I was asking to a list of links to these scientific experiments (because no one would have the audacity to claim any science is true/proven without knowing that it had been tested by various independent and unafilliated scientists) and also for links to any evidence of the "Conspiracy" or anything that debunks any of RET.

This was NOT a request for proof, but a request for knowledge so that I could better understand the ground FET is placed on.

To that end, I ask all debate in this thread cease immediately and be moved to another thread.

I further request that any posts by FE'ers saying that they do not have to help me understand their theory, because the burden of discovery is on me (or something along those lines) not be posted.

Furthermore, I request that any post by anyone which attempts to ignore my request and instead nitpick at my grammar/semantics not be posted.

Thank you.

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Re: A Comprehensive List of Evidence?
« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2010, 06:42:54 PM »
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Tom Bishop himself said earlier that science has "proven" FET (although as I said, most of the science if flimsy and relies on vast amount of accepted and tested science to be fabricated) so I was asking to a list of links to these scientific experiments

Start with Earth Not a Globe.

Re: A Comprehensive List of Evidence?
« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2010, 07:04:02 PM »
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Tom Bishop himself said earlier that science has "proven" FET (although as I said, most of the science if flimsy and relies on vast amount of accepted and tested science to be fabricated) so I was asking to a list of links to these scientific experiments

Start with Earth Not a Globe.
Hasn't ENaG been proven wrong so many times? Just curious.
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Re: A Comprehensive List of Evidence?
« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2010, 07:23:56 PM »
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Hasn't ENaG been proven wrong so many times? Just curious.

No.

I don't consider "the author lied about the results of the experiments" as a disproof of Earth Not a Globe.

Re: A Comprehensive List of Evidence?
« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2010, 07:54:16 PM »
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Hasn't ENaG been proven wrong so many times? Just curious.

No.

I don't consider "the author lied about the results of the experiments" as a disproof of Earth Not a Globe.
That's not usually what I see.

What I see are people independently disproving certain aspects of this book. For instance, that really long topic about disappearing hulls? If I remember correctly, someone did your experiment and it was shown that you were wrong.
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Re: A Comprehensive List of Evidence?
« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2010, 08:29:13 PM »
Tom Bishop: Thank you for the info.

Once again, I would like to say that any debate over the validity of the sources presented in this thread should not be held here, as the focus of his thread is to compile a list of sources which establish the platform of FET, not to attempt to prove or disprove either theory.