Can Nothing Create Anything?

Maybe, maybe not.

So you are saying God does not exist?

Ok. I'll buy your argument.

I still didn't get a clear answer!

Can Nothing Create Anything?

Yes or No!

I still didn't get a clear answer!

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Can Nothing Create Anything?

Yes or No!

I think more likely something can be created out of what we thought was nothing.

Quote from: AbdulAziz on December 24, 2009, 11:45:40 AM

I still didn't get a clear answer!

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Can Nothing Create Anything?

Yes or No!

I think more likely something can be created out of what we thought was nothing.

I created an idea out of seemingly nothing.

I will go with no.

I will go with no.

DEN HOW DA WURLD MAED WIT NO GAWD? I TROLLEDJU!

LOLOLOLLOLOLOL! STOOPID ATHEESTS!

No, nothing can't create anything as far as we can tell. Therefor the Christian, Islamic or Jewish god could not possibly exist in consideration of this.

Define nothing.

Define nothing.

The opposite of anything.

Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on December 24, 2009, 12:10:52 PM

Define nothing.

The opposite of anything.

That is not a definition.

Quote from: parsec on December 24, 2009, 12:12:23 PM

Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on December 24, 2009, 12:10:52 PM

Define nothing.

The opposite of anything.

That is not a definition.

nothing is the absence of anything.

Well, some terms cannot be strictly defined. They are sort of primitive terms. Their full meaning comes by considering some fundamental properties they have or rules they obey that have the validity of an axiom.

I understand nothing as the complete absence of any shape, content or structure. Just an idle emptiness with no boundaries and no extent.

The answer is no.

Assuming you are referring to the Universe, or creation, what makes you think it was created?

Nothing can create everything, so long as the total energy level of the closed system created is 0. Dark energy is manifesting itself out of nothing in empty space all the time, before phasing out of existence again, although thats slightly different because its being created within our universe.

The only possible conclusion here is that everything is nothing.


If you're trying to use science and logic to prove the existance of a deity, than you are clearly mislead. You should know that religion is somthing that is based solely on faith. Why would God create a world where it is clear that he exists? That would completely defeat the purpose of his own religion.

No, nothing can't create anything as far as we can tell. Therefor the Christian, Islamic or Jewish god could not possibly exist in consideration of this.

Not true...at least the Christian version of God always was.  IE never created.

Quote from: Sadistic on December 24, 2009, 12:06:08 PM

No, nothing can't create anything as far as we can tell. Therefor the Christian, Islamic or Jewish god could not possibly exist in consideration of this.

Not true...at least the Christian version of God always was.  IE never created.

I'm not speaking about the god's creation, I'm speaking about the magical wand waving that created planet earth that the Christian god certainly DID do.

With magic you can do anything.

mk

No, nothing can't create anything as far as we can tell. Therefor the Christian, Islamic or Jewish god could not possibly exist in consideration of this.

Nope in fact if you  are admitting that Nothing can't create anything then you really have no choice but to believe in that "Almighty God" and you should know why if you just thinkl a little bit but if your thinking is similar to cattle (Which I don't think ) then let me know why to explain it to you

Assuming you are referring to the Universe, or creation, what makes you think it was created?

Because there was something before the existence of the universe and if in a period of time the earth, stars wasn't there it means it came to being thus it means it was created if we are assuming it didnt create itself

Nope in fact if you  are admitting that Nothing can't create anything then you really have no choice but to believe in that "Almighty God" and you should know why if you just thinkl a little bit but if your thinking is similar to cattle (Which I don't think ) then let me know why to explain it to you

How does god become the default? Maybe a meatball made the universe, maybe a unknown force that isn't currently observable made the universe, maybe something that transcends time made the universe. Or maybe the universe has existed for infinity, we don't know and neither do you.

This is why your logic fails:

A)
1) Everything needs a creator (bad assertion but we can go with it)
2) God is the only thing that doesn't need a creator
3) God made the universe

wouldn't it be easier just to do:
1) Everything needs a creator
2) The universe is the only thing that doesn't need a creator

Because there was something before the existence of the universe

1) You don't know this.
2) Your assuming the universe was restricted by the dimension of time, or logic.

How does god become the default? Maybe a meatball made the universe, maybe a unknown force that isn't currently observable made the universe, maybe something that transcends time made the universe. Or maybe the universe has existed for infinity, we don't know and neither do you.

This is why your logic fails:

A)
1) Everything needs a creator (bad assertion but we can go with it)
2) God is the only thing that doesn't need a creator
3) God made the universe

wouldn't it be easier just to do:
1) Everything needs a creator
2) The universe is the only thing that doesn't need a creator

Quote from: AbdulAziz on February 05, 2010, 01:25:50 PM

Because there was something before the existence of the universe

1) You don't know this.
2) Your assuming the universe was restricted by the dimension of time, or logic.

I invite you to read my previous posts carefully and then read what you posted carefully There are two different type of people, some of them can see a Light when there is no Light and some others see the light but they don't believe it!!!

"When one's heart is as black as coal, as blind as bat it's when he will see the "Wrong" right and the "Right" wrong!"
~AbdulAziz~

Nothing can create everything, so long as the total energy level of the closed system created is 0. Dark energy is manifesting itself out of nothing in empty space all the time, before phasing out of existence again, although thats slightly different because its being created within our universe.

This sort of thing happens in parallel universes too.  I have seen it with my own eyes.

Particles can be created out of nothing so long as they have a total energy level of 0 or only exist for an incredibly short period of time. An intelligent super powerful being cannot be created out of nothing however.

Particles can be created out of nothing so long as they have a total energy level of 0 or only exist for an incredibly short period of time. An intelligent super powerful being cannot be created out of nothing however.

Good thing He always was then.

Why does the Universe need a beginning, but God does not?

It's a blatant and illogical double standard.

Why does the Universe need a beginning, but God does not?

It's a blatant and illogical double standard.

Again, in a parallel universe, without time, there is no start and no finish.  It is as stupid as people thinking we live in a universe (space) which must have some end and finish.

Why does the Universe need a beginning, but God does not?

It's a blatant and illogical double standard.

did you read all the posts in this topic?