Can Nothing Create Anything?

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Can Nothing Create Anything?
« on: December 24, 2009, 11:35:28 AM »
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"And say, `All praise belongs to ALLAH; HE will soon show you HIS Signs, and you will know them.' And thy Lord is not unaware of what you do."

"Were they created of nothing, or were they themselves the creators? "
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Re: Can Nothing Create Anything?
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2009, 11:37:09 AM »
Maybe, maybe not.
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Re: Can Nothing Create Anything?
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2009, 11:40:51 AM »
So you are saying God does not exist?

Ok. I'll buy your argument.

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Re: Can Nothing Create Anything?
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2009, 11:45:40 AM »
I still didn't get a clear answer!

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Can Nothing Create Anything?

Yes or No!
"And say, `All praise belongs to ALLAH; HE will soon show you HIS Signs, and you will know them.' And thy Lord is not unaware of what you do."

"Were they created of nothing, or were they themselves the creators? "
(Translations of Allah's Words)

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Re: Can Nothing Create Anything?
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2009, 11:46:38 AM »
I still didn't get a clear answer!

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Can Nothing Create Anything?

Yes or No!

I think more likely something can be created out of what we thought was nothing.
Think hard. Think Flat.

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Re: Can Nothing Create Anything?
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2009, 11:53:00 AM »
I still didn't get a clear answer!

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Can Nothing Create Anything?

Yes or No!

I think more likely something can be created out of what we thought was nothing.
I created an idea out of seemingly nothing.

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Re: Can Nothing Create Anything?
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2009, 11:59:27 AM »
I will go with no.

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theonlydann

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Re: Can Nothing Create Anything?
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2009, 12:03:57 PM »
I will go with no.
DEN HOW DA WURLD MAED WIT NO GAWD? I TROLLEDJU!

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Re: Can Nothing Create Anything?
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2009, 12:06:08 PM »
No, nothing can't create anything as far as we can tell. Therefor the Christian, Islamic or Jewish god could not possibly exist in consideration of this.
"So now we know. Pigs are horses. Girls are boys. War is peace." -Arundhati Roy

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Re: Can Nothing Create Anything?
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2009, 12:10:52 PM »
Define nothing.
I saw a slight haze in the hotel bathroom this morning after I took a shower, have I discovered a new planet?

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Re: Can Nothing Create Anything?
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2009, 12:12:23 PM »

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Re: Can Nothing Create Anything?
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2009, 12:18:18 PM »
I saw a slight haze in the hotel bathroom this morning after I took a shower, have I discovered a new planet?

Re: Can Nothing Create Anything?
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2009, 12:26:05 PM »
"So now we know. Pigs are horses. Girls are boys. War is peace." -Arundhati Roy

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Re: Can Nothing Create Anything?
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2009, 12:26:43 PM »
Well, some terms cannot be strictly defined. They are sort of primitive terms. Their full meaning comes by considering some fundamental properties they have or rules they obey that have the validity of an axiom.

I understand nothing as the complete absence of any shape, content or structure. Just an idle emptiness with no boundaries and no extent.

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Re: Can Nothing Create Anything?
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2009, 01:03:03 PM »
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The answer is no.

Assuming you are referring to the Universe, or creation, what makes you think it was created?

Re: Can Nothing Create Anything?
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2009, 07:29:04 AM »
Nothing can create everything, so long as the total energy level of the closed system created is 0. Dark energy is manifesting itself out of nothing in empty space all the time, before phasing out of existence again, although thats slightly different because its being created within our universe.

Re: Can Nothing Create Anything?
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2009, 11:06:29 AM »
The only possible conclusion here is that everything is nothing.


If you're trying to use science and logic to prove the existance of a deity, than you are clearly mislead. You should know that religion is somthing that is based solely on faith. Why would God create a world where it is clear that he exists? That would completely defeat the purpose of his own religion.
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Re: Can Nothing Create Anything?
« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2009, 11:40:02 AM »
No, nothing can't create anything as far as we can tell. Therefor the Christian, Islamic or Jewish god could not possibly exist in consideration of this.

Not true...at least the Christian version of God always was.  IE never created.

Re: Can Nothing Create Anything?
« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2009, 12:05:02 PM »
No, nothing can't create anything as far as we can tell. Therefor the Christian, Islamic or Jewish god could not possibly exist in consideration of this.

Not true...at least the Christian version of God always was.  IE never created.

I'm not speaking about the god's creation, I'm speaking about the magical wand waving that created planet earth that the Christian god certainly DID do.
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Re: Can Nothing Create Anything?
« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2009, 12:34:54 PM »
With magic you can do anything.

Re: Can Nothing Create Anything?
« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2009, 02:33:02 PM »
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Re: Can Nothing Create Anything?
« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2010, 01:25:50 PM »
No, nothing can't create anything as far as we can tell. Therefor the Christian, Islamic or Jewish god could not possibly exist in consideration of this.

Nope in fact if you  are admitting that Nothing can't create anything then you really have no choice but to believe in that "Almighty God" and you should know why if you just thinkl a little bit but if your thinking is similar to cattle (Which I don't think ) then let me know why to explain it to you :)

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Assuming you are referring to the Universe, or creation, what makes you think it was created?

Because there was something before the existence of the universe and if in a period of time the earth, stars wasn't there it means it came to being thus it means it was created if we are assuming it didnt create itself :)

"And say, `All praise belongs to ALLAH; HE will soon show you HIS Signs, and you will know them.' And thy Lord is not unaware of what you do."

"Were they created of nothing, or were they themselves the creators? "
(Translations of Allah's Words)

Re: Can Nothing Create Anything?
« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2010, 01:51:17 PM »

Nope in fact if you  are admitting that Nothing can't create anything then you really have no choice but to believe in that "Almighty God" and you should know why if you just thinkl a little bit but if your thinking is similar to cattle (Which I don't think ) then let me know why to explain it to you :)


How does god become the default? Maybe a meatball made the universe, maybe a unknown force that isn't currently observable made the universe, maybe something that transcends time made the universe. Or maybe the universe has existed for infinity, we don't know and neither do you.

This is why your logic fails:

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1) Everything needs a creator (bad assertion but we can go with it)
2) God is the only thing that doesn't need a creator
3) God made the universe

wouldn't it be easier just to do:
1) Everything needs a creator
2) The universe is the only thing that doesn't need a creator


Because there was something before the existence of the universe

1) You don't know this.
2) Your assuming the universe was restricted by the dimension of time, or logic.
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Re: Can Nothing Create Anything?
« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2010, 02:43:01 AM »
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How does god become the default? Maybe a meatball made the universe, maybe a unknown force that isn't currently observable made the universe, maybe something that transcends time made the universe. Or maybe the universe has existed for infinity, we don't know and neither do you.

This is why your logic fails:

A)
1) Everything needs a creator (bad assertion but we can go with it)
2) God is the only thing that doesn't need a creator
3) God made the universe

wouldn't it be easier just to do:
1) Everything needs a creator
2) The universe is the only thing that doesn't need a creator


Because there was something before the existence of the universe

1) You don't know this.
2) Your assuming the universe was restricted by the dimension of time, or logic.


I invite you to read my previous posts carefully and then read what you posted carefully :) There are two different type of people, some of them can see a Light when there is no Light and some others see the light but they don't believe it!!!

"When one's heart is as black as coal, as blind as bat it's when he will see the "Wrong" right and the "Right" wrong!"
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"Were they created of nothing, or were they themselves the creators? "
(Translations of Allah's Words)

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Re: Can Nothing Create Anything?
« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2010, 04:34:21 AM »
Nothing can create everything, so long as the total energy level of the closed system created is 0. Dark energy is manifesting itself out of nothing in empty space all the time, before phasing out of existence again, although thats slightly different because its being created within our universe.

This sort of thing happens in parallel universes too.  I have seen it with my own eyes.
Why do we fall back to earth? Because our weight pushes us down, no laws, no gravity pulling us. It is the law of intelligence.

Re: Can Nothing Create Anything?
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2010, 05:10:39 AM »
Particles can be created out of nothing so long as they have a total energy level of 0 or only exist for an incredibly short period of time. An intelligent super powerful being cannot be created out of nothing however.

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Re: Can Nothing Create Anything?
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2010, 05:14:58 AM »
Particles can be created out of nothing so long as they have a total energy level of 0 or only exist for an incredibly short period of time. An intelligent super powerful being cannot be created out of nothing however.

Good thing He always was then.

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Re: Can Nothing Create Anything?
« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2010, 12:23:47 PM »
Why does the Universe need a beginning, but God does not?

It's a blatant and illogical double standard.

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Mr Pseudonym

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Re: Can Nothing Create Anything?
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2010, 05:05:35 PM »
Why does the Universe need a beginning, but God does not?

It's a blatant and illogical double standard.

Again, in a parallel universe, without time, there is no start and no finish.  It is as stupid as people thinking we live in a universe (space) which must have some end and finish.
Why do we fall back to earth? Because our weight pushes us down, no laws, no gravity pulling us. It is the law of intelligence.

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Re: Can Nothing Create Anything?
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2010, 09:19:39 PM »
Why does the Universe need a beginning, but God does not?

It's a blatant and illogical double standard.

did you read all the posts in this topic?
"And say, `All praise belongs to ALLAH; HE will soon show you HIS Signs, and you will know them.' And thy Lord is not unaware of what you do."

"Were they created of nothing, or were they themselves the creators? "
(Translations of Allah's Words)