NASA update: more ridiculousness

Quote from: Mrs. Peach on December 27, 2009, 12:39:06 PM

The US Air Force runs and controls the GPS, not NASA.  They and to some extent the US Navy have been responsible for the GPS from the get go.

proof?

Operated by the dedicated men and women of the 2nd Space Operations Squadron at Schriever Air Force Base, Colo., GPS is also the world's largest military satellite constellation. The 2nd SOPS has three missions: global navigation, time transfer and nuclear detection. Uses of GPS include precise timing for financial transactions, search and rescue, communications, farming, recreation and both military and commercial aviation.

It. Doesn't. Matter. You are helping me because NASA is the conspiracy and now the military is in on it.

Quote from: ugaboga313 on December 27, 2009, 04:16:52 PM

It. Doesn't. Matter. You are helping me because NASA is the conspiracy and now the military is in on it.

Did you forget that is was the military who started NASA and that all astronauts are military men?

And before you say it, working for the military is not the same as being in the military.

Quote from: markjo on December 27, 2009, 09:39:10 PM

And before you say it, working for the military is not the same as being in the military.

Actually, it is.

Anyone the military gives a paycheck to is working for the military.

Tom, as a US Marine, I was in the military.  During my time as a Marine, I worked with several civilian contractors who were paid by the military but were not members of the military (hence the term "civilian contractor").

Quote from: markjo on December 27, 2009, 09:58:09 PM

Tom, as a US Marine, I was in the military.  During my time as a Marine, I worked with several civilian contractors who were paid by the military but were not members of the military (hence the term "civilian contractor").

Military Contractors are working for and under the direction of the military.

When the military says jump, they jump.

Not when the military says to jump in front of a bullet.

Quote from: markjo on December 27, 2009, 10:07:59 PM

Not when the military says to jump in front of a bullet.

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Number_of_private_contractors_killed_in_Iraq_and_Afghanistan_passes_1,000

Despite beliefs that the contractors all belong to large military-oriented groups such as the British intelligence firm Aegis or Blackwater USA which has been labelled "mercenaries", the jobs of contractors killed have been as varied as electrical engineer Ronald Schulz, translator Kim Sun-il and truck driver Murat Yuce.

Sorry but I'm failing to see your point.

GPS would still be reliable at periscope depth, would it not?

Essentially antenna depth.  I did not say or imply that submarines used GPS at depth; or that it took the place of Loran or whatever.

And what you are effectively saying is that subnarines aren't equipped with GPS equipment?  You're absolutely right, I would never have guessed that.

Quote from: markjo on December 27, 2009, 10:55:08 PM

Sorry but I'm failing to see your point.

The military told their contractors to go over there into the red zone, and like dogs to their master's whistle, they complied.

Quote from: markjo on December 27, 2009, 10:55:08 PM

Sorry but I'm failing to see your point.

The military told their contractors to go over there into the red zone, and like dogs to their master's whistle, they complied.

Tom you are helping me. Now NASA and the Military are in on it. Even though they are affiliated, that is more people who are in on it. The conspiracy can't really work when thousands of people are in on it. Also FE still hasn't found a way to deal with flight times so why waste time on the conspiracy which is all conjecture and work on the science of it.

I think the parallels are clear.
No need for even "astronauts" to know the truth.

Quote from: dim on December 28, 2009, 10:22:57 AM

I think the parallels are clear.
No need for even "astronauts" to know the truth.

The guys that claim to have been to outer space don't need to know the truth that they didn't really go to outer space? 

Quote from: dim on December 28, 2009, 10:22:57 AM

I think the parallels are clear.
No need for even "astronauts" to know the truth.

The guys that claim to have been to outer space don't need to know the truth that they didn't really go to outer space?  

Variant 1:Some conspirasy member gets in touch with the future and young "astronaut" and says: "Dear, Man. This is very confidential talk is going to occur. We gonna pay you much, we gonna make you a star, a well known and well paid person." Then there goes a far-fethced explanation of why he can't go to space, but how they need to tell to media that he is really an astronaunt. But of course it's taken into considiration by conspiracy memeber that that "astronaut" must be ensured that space flights are really is. That he is just being unlucky not to fly there, but it will be paid off with big money. That he must just act like the real "astronauts".

Variant 2:They put "astronaut" into some machine and simulate the flight. But instead windows there are high quality displays. No need to talk anything.

Variant 3: All "astronauts" are zombied by some stuff or drugs.

So... not really a tough task.

But then what about the people who construct fake space shuttle? What about the people who give the drugs? What about the people who do the bribing? Conspiracy is not scientific so I really can't argue it. Everything could be part of the conspiracy. But how does the conspiracy deal with no FE will explain flight times?

Quote from: ugaboga313 on December 28, 2009, 11:08:45 AM

But then what about the people who construct fake space shuttle? What about the people who give the drugs? What about the people who do the bribing? Conspiracy is not scientific so I really can't argue it. Everything could be part of the conspiracy. But how does the conspiracy deal with no FE will explain flight times?

They construct space shuttle exactly under the same model. Some group makes engines that ensures shuttle to fly. Other creates steering and controls. Another one makes computer stuff and so on. And just some persons are ready to drive the shuttle into the nearest waters after it flies high enough to not to be seen from Earth

Conspiracy can consist of some thousans of people all over the planet. I think it's enough. If one person can rule the whole country(technically is not, but if to simplify - it can be), then some thousand of people can really make the world to be turned over.

Also shuttles are super expensive. You would make very little money if you made real shuttles. Since making fake shuttles is the only way to handsomely pay those involved, that means more people are in on it.

Well, guys. I think, if even money play a significant role for the conspiracy, nevertheless they have all the money in world, so they don't care about how much things cost.

I clarify, first or second or third builded shuttle would be very expensive because of innovtion and venture costs, but mass production of it for sure lowers the price to the net cost of the materials, even if prices are higher in the papers and so on. But again, basically to product even the real shuttle which can take off and land is not really high if it is a mass production conveyor.

But agian, what is money if there is a real game and joy for the conspiracy. What would you do if you have unlimited money from the very childhood!?
You can use drugs, you can be fan of health, you can be fan of women, or doing sports or you can be tired of life unless you create something just great as the Round Earth plan for the conpiracy members.  By the way, they have interest in discovering.

And also, I think, by the year 2050 the world would be in general informed of the fact that old science was wrong and there were really bad rulers who fooled humankind. World is not going to be cruel with the time. At least I believe in that)