NASA update: more ridiculousness

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Re: NASA update: more ridiculousness
« Reply #60 on: December 27, 2009, 04:14:20 PM »
THe GPS is a primarily military operation and always has beem.  Nasa is a civilian agency.  Everything going off the pad at Canaveral is not NASA's baby.

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« Reply #61 on: December 27, 2009, 04:16:52 PM »
It. Doesn't. Matter. You are helping me because NASA is the conspiracy and now the military is in on it. As well as gps programmers.

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« Reply #62 on: December 27, 2009, 09:32:52 PM »
The US Air Force runs and controls the GPS, not NASA.  They and to some extent the US Navy have been responsible for the GPS from the get go.
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Quote from: http://www.schriever.af.mil/gps/
Operated by the dedicated men and women of the 2nd Space Operations Squadron at Schriever Air Force Base, Colo., GPS is also the world's largest military satellite constellation. The 2nd SOPS has three missions: global navigation, time transfer and nuclear detection. Uses of GPS include precise timing for financial transactions, search and rescue, communications, farming, recreation and both military and commercial aviation.
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Re: NASA update: more ridiculousness
« Reply #63 on: December 27, 2009, 09:35:04 PM »
It. Doesn't. Matter. You are helping me because NASA is the conspiracy and now the military is in on it.

Did you forget that is was the military who started NASA and that all astronauts are military men?

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« Reply #64 on: December 27, 2009, 09:39:10 PM »
It. Doesn't. Matter. You are helping me because NASA is the conspiracy and now the military is in on it.

Did you forget that is was the military who started NASA and that all astronauts are military men?

Nope.  Not all astronauts are military, or men.  Mission specialists are usually civilians.  And before you say it, working for the military is not the same as being in the military.
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« Reply #65 on: December 27, 2009, 09:46:04 PM »
And before you say it, working for the military is not the same as being in the military.

Actually, it is.

Anyone the military gives a paycheck to is working for the military.

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« Reply #66 on: December 27, 2009, 09:58:09 PM »
And before you say it, working for the military is not the same as being in the military.

Actually, it is.

Anyone the military gives a paycheck to is working for the military.

Tom, as a US Marine, I was in the military.  During my time as a Marine, I worked with several civilian contractors who were paid by the military but were not members of the military (hence the term "civilian contractor").  Same goes with the astronaut corps.
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« Reply #67 on: December 27, 2009, 10:00:01 PM »
Tom, as a US Marine, I was in the military.  During my time as a Marine, I worked with several civilian contractors who were paid by the military but were not members of the military (hence the term "civilian contractor").

Military Contractors are working for and under the direction of the military.

When the military says jump, they jump.

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« Reply #68 on: December 27, 2009, 10:07:59 PM »
Tom, as a US Marine, I was in the military.  During my time as a Marine, I worked with several civilian contractors who were paid by the military but were not members of the military (hence the term "civilian contractor").

Military Contractors are working for and under the direction of the military.

When the military says jump, they jump.

Not when the military says to jump in front of a bullet.
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« Reply #70 on: December 27, 2009, 10:55:08 PM »
Not when the military says to jump in front of a bullet.

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Number_of_private_contractors_killed_in_Iraq_and_Afghanistan_passes_1,000

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Despite beliefs that the contractors all belong to large military-oriented groups such as the British intelligence firm Aegis or Blackwater USA which has been labelled "mercenaries", the jobs of contractors killed have been as varied as electrical engineer Ronald Schulz, translator Kim Sun-il and truck driver Murat Yuce.
Sorry but I'm failing to see your point.
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Re: NASA update: more ridiculousness
« Reply #71 on: December 27, 2009, 11:54:49 PM »
Sorry but I'm failing to see your point.

The military told their contractors to go over there into the red zone, and like dogs to their master's whistle, they complied.
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« Reply #72 on: December 28, 2009, 12:01:53 AM »
GPS would still be reliable at periscope depth, would it not?
No, periscopes are not 1 inch long.

Essentially antenna depth.  I did not say or imply that submarines used GPS at depth; or that it took the place of Loran or whatever.
Ok, then. This is a different point.

And what you are effectively saying is that subnarines aren't equipped with GPS equipment?  You're absolutely right, I would never have guessed that.
See Inertial Navigation Systems.

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Re: NASA update: more ridiculousness
« Reply #73 on: December 28, 2009, 04:06:09 AM »
Sorry but I'm failing to see your point.

The military told their contractors to go over there into the red zone, and like dogs to their master's whistle, they complied.

Stop quacking, Bob.
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« Reply #74 on: December 28, 2009, 06:21:24 AM »
Sorry but I'm failing to see your point.

The military told their contractors to go over there into the red zone, and like dogs to their master's whistle, they complied.

No Tom.  The military listed a number of duties that need to be done in certain potentially hazardous ares.  The contractors signed up specifically to do those jobs in those areas. 
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« Reply #75 on: December 28, 2009, 07:11:45 AM »
Tom you are helping me. Now NASA and the Military are in on it. Even though they are affiliated, that is more people who are in on it. The conspiracy can't really work when thousands of people are in on it. Also FE still hasn't found a way to deal with flight times so why waste time on the conspiracy which is all conjecture and work on the science of it.

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Re: NASA update: more ridiculousness
« Reply #76 on: December 28, 2009, 10:22:57 AM »
Tom you are helping me. Now NASA and the Military are in on it. Even though they are affiliated, that is more people who are in on it. The conspiracy can't really work when thousands of people are in on it. Also FE still hasn't found a way to deal with flight times so why waste time on the conspiracy which is all conjecture and work on the science of it.

Man and men.
You are very enlighted in your thoughts and words. But a little bit naive(may be it's me but keep reading this).

Main qustion of the thread is how many people are in the conspiracy, right? NASA + Military + weather shoutcasts + astronauts and so on. Yes, sounds weird for FE's. But it is only if to be naive and think that if person doing something, he is completely aware of what he is doing. Well, I am not telling even about main rule of mafia bosess "never make your people know everything about deeds".To make it simplier, remember Microsoft. Huge corporation. They doing what is everybody has on the hard disk. But how it's made?
Some group of programmers gets a task to bulid some module. Another one gets another task of what module to build. Next one is on the same roll. They all work for Microsoft, but they dont really know what they doing. That program code is done, and people are on the way of getting next task. It's their job. And on the top of the tree there is no need to have much people to conduct an operation where all those modules would be doing one thing, for example steal information every second from our computers while we just browsing. So, Microsoft can be a conspiracy of specified type too.

I think the parallels are clear.
No need for even "astronauts" to know the truth.
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Re: NASA update: more ridiculousness
« Reply #77 on: December 28, 2009, 10:34:25 AM »
I think the parallels are clear.
No need for even "astronauts" to know the truth.

The guys that claim to have been to outer space don't need to know the truth that they didn't really go to outer space?  ???
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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« Reply #78 on: December 28, 2009, 10:37:00 AM »
I think the parallels are clear.
No need for even "astronauts" to know the truth.

The guys that claim to have been to outer space don't need to know the truth that they didn't really go to outer space?  ???

Ah I was just about to post this Mark! It really is sad that FEer's literally get to say whatever they want to, yet we have to work within the confines of reality...

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Re: NASA update: more ridiculousness
« Reply #79 on: December 28, 2009, 10:45:37 AM »
I think the parallels are clear.
No need for even "astronauts" to know the truth.

The guys that claim to have been to outer space don't need to know the truth that they didn't really go to outer space?  ???

I'll clarify this.

Variant 1:Some conspirasy member gets in touch with the future and young "astronaut" and says: "Dear, Man. This is very confidential talk is going to occur. We gonna pay you much, we gonna make you a star, a well known and well paid person." Then there goes a far-fethced explanation of why he can't go to space, but how they need to tell to media that he is really an astronaunt. But of course it's taken into considiration by conspiracy memeber that that "astronaut" must be ensured that space flights are really is. That he is just being unlucky not to fly there, but it will be paid off with big money. That he must just act like the real "astronauts".

Variant 2:They put "astronaut" into some machine and simulate the flight. But instead windows there are high quality displays. No need to talk anything.

Variant 3: All "astronauts" are zombied by some stuff or drugs.


BTW, about Variant 2. There is a book of Russian writer Pelevin that is named "Omon-Ra". You can read it, and you will be surprised how the well-known author in Russia says about Variant 2. But in his book "astronaut" has all they way been in the Moscow's subway.


So... not really a tough task.
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« Reply #80 on: December 28, 2009, 11:08:45 AM »
But then what about the people who construct fake space shuttle? What about the people who give the drugs? What about the people who do the bribing? Conspiracy is not scientific so I really can't argue it. Everything could be part of the conspiracy. But how does the conspiracy deal with no FE will explain flight times?

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« Reply #81 on: December 28, 2009, 11:09:43 AM »
Variant 1:Some conspirasy member gets in touch with the future and young "astronaut" and says: "Dear, Man. This is very confidential talk is going to occur. We gonna pay you much, we gonna make you a star, a well known and well paid person." Then there goes a far-fethced explanation of why he can't go to space, but how they need to tell to media that he is really an astronaunt. But of course it's taken into considiration by conspiracy memeber that that "astronaut" must be ensured that space flights are really is. That he is just being unlucky not to fly there, but it will be paid off with big money. That he must just act like the real "astronauts".

Most of the 500+ astronauts that claim to have been to space are hardly "stars".

Variant 2:They put "astronaut" into some machine and simulate the flight. But instead windows there are high quality displays. No need to talk anything.

Several dozen astronauts claim to have exited their vehicles while in space performing so called "space walks". 

Variant 3: All "astronauts" are zombied by some stuff or drugs.

Or they went to Recall and had false memory implants.  ::)

So... not really a tough task.

I think that it's a little (whole lot) tougher than you make it out to be.
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« Reply #82 on: December 28, 2009, 11:38:06 AM »
But then what about the people who construct fake space shuttle? What about the people who give the drugs? What about the people who do the bribing? Conspiracy is not scientific so I really can't argue it. Everything could be part of the conspiracy. But how does the conspiracy deal with no FE will explain flight times?

They construct space shuttle exactly under the same model. Some group makes engines that ensures shuttle to fly. Other creates steering and controls. Another one makes computer stuff and so on. And just some persons are ready to drive the shuttle into the nearest waters after it flies high enough to not to be seen from Earth :D

Conspiracy can consist of some thousans of people all over the planet. I think it's enough. If one person can rule the whole country(technically is not, but if to simplify - it can be), then some thousand of people can really make the world to be turned over.


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« Reply #83 on: December 28, 2009, 11:42:31 AM »
Thousands of people in the conspiracy? And you believe that they rule the world? How? NASA only gets so much money and according to u they have to spend a lot of it on fake stuff. Then you have to pay all these people. What about the Ice Wall? Basically its far easier for someone in on the conspiracy to rat it out and get paid.

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« Reply #84 on: December 28, 2009, 12:00:45 PM »
But then what about the people who construct fake space shuttle? What about the people who give the drugs? What about the people who do the bribing? Conspiracy is not scientific so I really can't argue it. Everything could be part of the conspiracy. But how does the conspiracy deal with no FE will explain flight times?

They construct space shuttle exactly under the same model. Some group makes engines that ensures shuttle to fly. Other creates steering and controls. Another one makes computer stuff and so on. And just some persons are ready to drive the shuttle into the nearest waters after it flies high enough to not to be seen from Earth :D

Conspiracy can consist of some thousans of people all over the planet. I think it's enough. If one person can rule the whole country(technically is not, but if to simplify - it can be), then some thousand of people can really make the world to be turned over.



Who installs the displays in the windows?

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« Reply #85 on: December 28, 2009, 12:07:00 PM »
Also shuttles are super expensive. You would make very little money if you made real shuttles. Since making fake shuttles is the only way to handsomely pay those involved, that means more people are in on it.

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« Reply #86 on: December 28, 2009, 12:17:39 PM »
Also shuttles are super expensive. You would make very little money if you made real shuttles. Since making fake shuttles is the only way to handsomely pay those involved, that means more people are in on it.

If they are fake shuttles, then they have almost the same capabilities as the real thing - they launch at high speed on rocket boosters and achieve extremely high altitude, for which they need to be airtight and able to cope with a fast glide landing. Since the take off and landing are the most difficult part of shuttle flight, a fake vehicle would be virtually no different to the real thing. In other words, very, very expensive.
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« Reply #87 on: December 28, 2009, 01:41:16 PM »
Well, guys. I think, if even money play a significant role for the conspiracy, nevertheless they have all the money in world, so they don't care about how much things cost.

I clarify, first or second or third builded shuttle would be very expensive because of innovtion and venture costs, but mass production of it for sure lowers the price to the net cost of the materials, even if prices are higher in the papers and so on. But again, basically to product even the real shuttle which can take off and land is not really high if it is a mass production conveyor.

But agian, what is money if there is a real game and joy for the conspiracy. What would you do if you have unlimited money from the very childhood!?
You can use drugs, you can be fan of health, you can be fan of women, or doing sports or you can be tired of life unless you create something just great as the Round Earth plan for the conpiracy members.  By the way, they have interest in discovering.

And also, I think, by the year 2050 the world would be in general informed of the fact that old science was wrong and there were really bad rulers who fooled humankind. World is not going to be cruel with the time. At least I believe in that)

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« Reply #88 on: December 28, 2009, 01:43:16 PM »
Space shuttles are hella expensive. Mass production doesn't work like that and besides People would notice that 20 space shuttles have been made when there are just 4 or 5.

Also how do they have unlimited money?

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« Reply #89 on: December 28, 2009, 03:04:12 PM »
Well, guys. I think, if even money play a significant role for the conspiracy, nevertheless they have all the money in world, so they don't care about how much things cost.

I clarify, first or second or third builded shuttle would be very expensive because of innovtion and venture costs, but mass production of it for sure lowers the price to the net cost of the materials, even if prices are higher in the papers and so on. But again, basically to product even the real shuttle which can take off and land is not really high if it is a mass production conveyor.

But agian, what is money if there is a real game and joy for the conspiracy. What would you do if you have unlimited money from the very childhood!?
You can use drugs, you can be fan of health, you can be fan of women, or doing sports or you can be tired of life unless you create something just great as the Round Earth plan for the conpiracy members.  By the way, they have interest in discovering.

And also, I think, by the year 2050 the world would be in general informed of the fact that old science was wrong and there were really bad rulers who fooled humankind. World is not going to be cruel with the time. At least I believe in that)

Face it, dim, the silliness, irrationality and sheer desperation of your own arguments does as much or more damage to the credibility of your point of view than the best reasoned arguments against it!  Merely reading your lame arguments would be enough to convince me of the falsity and irrationality of your viewpoint, even if I had not read any of your opponents' counter-arguments!