Flat Earth Formation...

Is there a theory on how Flat Earth formed?

Did it have anything to do with the Big Bang? Do Flat Earthers believe in the Big Bang?

Okay. Got it.

The Earth has always been because it is super special.

That's all the proof I need.

The earth is a physical, contingent object. And so the notion that it has always been is a joke.

It's an infinite regress hypothesis. How many past events have there been on earth? I'd argue that the past events are obviously finite, and so the earth began at some point.

The earth is a physical, contingent object. And so the notion that it has always been is a joke.

It's an infinite regress hypothesis. How many past events have there been on earth? I'd argue that the past events are obviously finite, and so the earth began at some point.

So that would bring me back to my original question.

How did a Flat Earth form?

Er... millions of pieces of ham flew together, and got stale and crusty, forming what we know as "Earth". Then they got moldy, which is where our plants come from. And that's how the Earth was made.

More realistically, I don't know. After all, if the big bang happened, why would all of the other planets be round and the Earth flat? It doesn't make too much sense that way.

I'm not sure if there is a consensus in the FES as to how earth formed. But just because someone cannot explain how something exists does not mean it does not exist. Creating a birth narrative for the earth will always be speculative. We at the FES are not as interested in things we cannot observe directly. Zetic scientists are not willing to jump to conclusions like the ones you read about in the paper. I could give you some guesses if you like, but they would be just that, guesses.

Creating an accurate birth narrative of the FE may be impossible, but surely there must be some way of gaining some insight as to the some of the conditions that must be required in order for a flat earth to form.

I'm sure there could be many ways to create a flat earth though. Not just one.

I'm sure there could be many ways to create a flat earth though. Not just one.

Then it shouldn't be difficult to list some plausible hypotheses.

I didn't know I was supposed too. But okay here are two:

1. Earth started out as a glob of lava stuff. There were two spots where lava could get out and both were on opposite sides. Earth slowly formed into a flat disc.

2. Earth was a undescribable blob. Two bodies came towards earth. One was above the other. The collision scraped off matter from the top and the bottom leaving the earth distinctly flat.

Creating an accurate birth narrative of the FE may be impossible, but surely there must be some way of gaining some insight as to the some of the conditions that must be required in order for a flat earth to form.

What makes you think it was formed?

Quote from: grogberries on December 25, 2009, 02:29:39 PM

I'm sure there could be many ways to create a flat earth though. Not just one.

Then it shouldn't be difficult to list some plausible hypotheses.

1. Big Splat Theory.
2. God created it.
3. Satan created it.

The earth is a physical, contingent object. And so the notion that it has always been is a joke.

It's an infinite regress hypothesis. How many past events have there been on earth? I'd argue that the past events are obviously finite, and so the earth began at some point.

What makes past events obviously finite?

Well, history is actual and physically real. It must be either finite or infinite. Based on the impossibility of an actually infinite number of things, we can eliminate that history is infinite, and therefore history is finite. And so there are a finite number of past events. So the earth's formation occurred at some point.

Well, history is actual and physically real. It must be either finite or infinite. Based on the impossibility of an actually infinite number of things, we can eliminate that history is infinite, and therefore history is finite. And so there are a finite number of past events. So the earth's formation occurred at some point.

Why is there an impossibility of an infinite number of things?

Quote from: markjo on December 25, 2009, 12:37:36 PM

Creating an accurate birth narrative of the FE may be impossible, but surely there must be some way of gaining some insight as to the some of the conditions that must be required in order for a flat earth to form.

What makes you think it was formed?

Because it exists.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on December 25, 2009, 06:36:29 PM

Quote from: markjo on December 25, 2009, 12:37:36 PM

Creating an accurate birth narrative of the FE may be impossible, but surely there must be some way of gaining some insight as to the some of the conditions that must be required in order for a flat earth to form.

What makes you think it was formed?

Because it exists.

And?

Quote from: Pseudointellect on December 25, 2009, 06:59:59 PM

Well, history is actual and physically real. It must be either finite or infinite. Based on the impossibility of an actually infinite number of things, we can eliminate that history is infinite, and therefore history is finite. And so there are a finite number of past events. So the earth's formation occurred at some point.

Why is there an impossibility of an infinite number of things?

Well if we assume an actually infinite number of things exists, we can quickly arrive at contradictions all over the place. It's a fairly easy proof by contradiction.

For instance, if I have an infinite number of TVs and then I purchase one more, I have added one more to my collection. But I have also added zero more to my collection, since I had infinite TVs, bought one, and still had infinite TVs. Therefore zero equals one, which is a contradiction proving that my first assumption (that I had infinite TVs) must have been false/a lie.

Quote from: Dino on December 25, 2009, 07:02:59 PM

Quote from: Pseudointellect on December 25, 2009, 06:59:59 PM

Well, history is actual and physically real. It must be either finite or infinite. Based on the impossibility of an actually infinite number of things, we can eliminate that history is
infinite, and therefore history is finite. And so there are a finite number of past events. So the earth's formation occurred at some point.

Why is there an impossibility of an infinite number of things?

Well if we assume an actually infinite number of things exists, we can quickly arrive at contradictions all over the place. It's a fairly easy proof by contradiction.

For instance, if I have an infinite number of TVs and then I purchase one more, I have added one more to my collection. But I have also added zero more to my collection, since I had infinite TVs, bought one, and still had infinite TVs. Therefore zero equals one, which is a contradiction proving that my first assumption (that I had infinite TVs) must have been false/a lie.

Are there an infinite number of numbers?

Yes.

Quote from: The Swede on December 25, 2009, 07:15:16 PM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on December 25, 2009, 06:36:29 PM

Quote from: markjo on December 25, 2009, 12:37:36 PM

Creating an accurate birth narrative of the FE may be impossible, but surely there must be some way of gaining some insight as to the some of the conditions that must be required in order for a flat earth to form.

What makes you think it was formed?

Because it exists.

And?

Some how or another the Earth, flat or round, had a beginning. Whether you believe it was created by an intelligence, or formed out of swirling cosmic dust or was the product of two flat planes slamming into each other, the Earth formed. My question was how do you think this happened. I'm sorry if the word "formed" made you cringe. Perhaps I should have said, how do you think the Earth began? Began is LIKE formed, only it sounds differently.

If your argument is it never formed or never began and was just always around, why do you think this is? How does this work, because it sounds interesting?  

Yes.

Then why can't we replace the word numbers with TVs?  

Quote from: Pseudointellect on December 25, 2009, 08:55:00 PM

Yes.

Then why can't we replace the word numbers with TVs?  

Well, where is a TV? I have one a couple of feet away from me. Where is a number? Nowhere to be found; numbers are immaterial. I guess I should have clarified that no part of physical reality can be actually infinite.

its possible something could have created it. but until we have eliminated the RE hegemony over independent research and thought of the conspiracy we will not be able to discover the reason for the earth's creation.

Hegemony is the wrong word. RE is just the accepted belief, it doesn't corrupt or change science. Even if its wrong, chemistry and biology still work don't they?

According to the theory of gravity (not accepted by FE'rs but by most scientists), the earth would become a spherical object after formation. I really can't think of a way for an infinite place to form.


Also why is earth so special? Why does everything revolve, and all phenomena seem to be exclusive to earth?

Quote from: Dino on December 26, 2009, 11:40:22 AM

Quote from: Pseudointellect on December 25, 2009, 08:55:00 PM

Yes.

Then why can't we replace the word numbers with TVs?  

Well, where is a TV? I have one a couple of feet away from me. Where is a number? Nowhere to be found; numbers are immaterial. I guess I should have clarified that no part of physical reality can be actually infinite.

But your "proof" was purely conceptual. You can't introduce new, essential information into your "proof" now. That only proves that the proof wasn't a proof. 

So far you have proved nothing and I suspect you might in fact have an infinite number of TVs and are just being coy about this fact. But then I would deduce that your house or apartment is infinitely big, which would only be possible in an infinite universe.   

My question is this: Do you really need all those TV's, dude?