Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?

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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2016, 03:45:58 PM »
How should a Flat Earther counter this argument?
Your map is wrong. 

Next silly question???
Can you show us a flat earth map that would explain these flight times?
Australia is closer to South America and the North Pole is wider.
The North Pole isn't on his map.
That is because his map is wrong.
You once again avoided the question.  His map doesn't show the North Pole because it is a representation of the Southern Hemisphere.  Can you show a flat earth map that would explain the fight times?
Yes! but not for free. 
How much are you willing to pay for the truth? 
Make an offer and I will consider it. 

Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #31 on: September 18, 2016, 05:33:51 PM »
A million Dollars iff you can provide a perfectly scaled map of a flat earth that matches for all flight plans and measured distances.

No projections, the same scale for all parts. On a flat earth, this should be simple.
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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #32 on: September 18, 2016, 06:43:25 PM »
A million Dollars iff you can provide a perfectly scaled map of a flat earth that matches for all flight plans and measured distances.

No projections, the same scale for all parts. On a flat earth, this should be simple.
Oooo good one!

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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #33 on: September 20, 2016, 07:42:48 AM »
I this a Heiwa million bucks?

Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #34 on: September 20, 2016, 08:46:15 AM »
I don't actually have a million dollars, but you still cannot make a flat earth map that matches observations.

Because the earth is a globe.
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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #35 on: September 20, 2016, 09:08:20 AM »
I'm willing to put up 1,000,000 Turkmenistan Manats to anyone that can create an accurate flat earth map.  Initkam if you're listening that can buy you a lot of llama burgers, think about it.
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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #36 on: September 20, 2016, 10:35:01 AM »
How should a Flat Earther counter this argument?
Your map is wrong. 

Next silly question???
Can you show us a flat earth map that would explain these flight times?
Australia is closer to South America and the North Pole is wider.
The North Pole isn't on his map.
That is because his map is wrong.
You once again avoided the question.  His map doesn't show the North Pole because it is a representation of the Southern Hemisphere.  Can you show a flat earth map that would explain the fight times?
Yes! but not for free. 
How much are you willing to pay for the truth? 
Make an offer and I will consider it.

Pfft. Is that your excuse for not having the map? You shouldn't have to pay to see some dumb map online.

Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #37 on: September 20, 2016, 10:48:40 AM »
A million Dollars iff you can provide a perfectly scaled map of a flat earth that matches for all flight plans and measured distances.

No projections, the same scale for all parts. On a flat earth, this should be simple.
Deal iff you provide a perfect means to verify the truth. 

Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #38 on: September 20, 2016, 11:44:05 AM »
Charming anarchist, I don't actually have a million dollars. I was being facetious.  I still known that you cannot make a perfect map because the earth is a globe.
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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #39 on: September 22, 2016, 11:10:54 AM »
Charming anarchist, I don't actually have a million dollars. I was being facetious.  I still known that you cannot make a perfect map because the earth is a globe.

I have a science teacher who knows math, science and even art well. I asked him to try to draw a map of a flat earth. 25 percent of the way, he said "I can't do the rest, it is physically impossible to do so.", so that means EARTH. IS. A. GLOBE.

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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #40 on: September 22, 2016, 06:38:18 PM »
Charming anarchist, I don't actually have a million dollars. I was being facetious.  I still known that you cannot make a perfect map because the earth is a globe.

I have a science teacher who knows math, science and even art well. I asked him to try to draw a map of a flat earth. 25 percent of the way, he said "I can't do the rest, it is physically impossible to do so.", so that means EARTH. IS. A. GLOBE.

You can draw a map of a flat earth. It would be totally wrong but you can do it.

In the meantime charming Anarchist is too cowardly to attempt my 1,000,000 Turkmenistan manat challenge.
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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #41 on: September 23, 2016, 09:59:43 AM »
You shills are cheap.

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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #42 on: October 26, 2016, 02:35:22 PM »
Just checking in to see if this has been resolved. Have flat earthers made any progress on finding the accurate flat map?

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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #43 on: October 26, 2016, 02:52:47 PM »
Just checking in to see if this has been resolved. Have flat earthers made any progress on finding the accurate flat map?
Intikam is currently working on what will no doubt be the go to flat earth map
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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2016, 03:39:11 PM »
Have flat earthers made any progress on finding the accurate flat map?

No. They refuse to confront the reality. Like a child, they use illusions and distortions to maintain their fantasy about the world around them.
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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #45 on: October 26, 2016, 11:51:37 PM »
Just checking in to see if this has been resolved. Have flat earthers made any progress on finding the accurate flat map?

Flat Earthers can be likened to 2D cartoon characters living in a 3D real world. Yes, anything they say in the cartoon is real to them, it doesn't have to be to scale or proportion, as long as it looks OK. Anything goes, but don't ask for a technical, mathematical or scientific explanation.

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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #46 on: October 27, 2016, 02:07:16 AM »
Just checking in to see if this has been resolved. Have flat earthers made any progress on finding the accurate flat map?

Flat Earthers can be likened to 2D cartoon characters living in a 3D real world. Yes, anything they say in the cartoon is real to them, it doesn't have to be to scale or proportion, as long as it looks OK. Anything goes, but don't ask for a technical, mathematical or scientific explanation.

Fantastic contribution to this fine thread, an underrated post indeed.

You, good sir, still owe me an apology.

Edit.

In the absense of that I will accept a technical and mathematical explanation of tides on the RE.

You will need to use relativistic math, I will not accept anything that just "looks ok", I will also know if you copied and pasted from Google. Once you do this I will no longer take issue with you calling FE'ers stupid.
« Last Edit: October 27, 2016, 02:13:00 AM by disputeone »
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns. 

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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #47 on: October 27, 2016, 02:16:35 AM »
How should a Flat Earther counter this argument?
Your map is wrong. 

Next silly question???
Can you show us a flat earth map that would explain these flight times?
Australia is closer to South America and the North Pole is wider.
The North Pole isn't on his map.
That is because his map is wrong.
You once again avoided the question.  His map doesn't show the North Pole because it is a representation of the Southern Hemisphere.  Can you show a flat earth map that would explain the fight times?
Yes! but not for free. 
How much are you willing to pay for the truth? 
Make an offer and I will consider it.

Please see my challenge
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=68250.msg1833154#msg1833154
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns. 

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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #48 on: October 27, 2016, 03:48:06 AM »
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In the absense of that I will accept a technical and mathematical explanation of tides on the RE.

You will need to use relativistic math, I will not accept anything that just "looks ok", I will also know if you copied and pasted from Google. Once you do this I will no longer take issue with you calling FE'ers stupid.
If you think that "relativistic math" is really needed for an accurate mathematical explanation of tides on the Globe, then you do not ubderstand the problem.

Nevertheless your request is almost impossible to fulfill as even a reasonably convincing accurate explanation of tides on the Globe is extremely difficult, and far from the simplistic explanation "given in schools". It has to include details of the ocean floor profile etc, etc.

But, what about a simpler task for you? Give a convincing explanation for lunar phases and lunar eclipses on the Flat Earth.

Certainly not all Flat Earthers are "stupid", but the completely inaccurate rubbish in
jeranism's YouTube "The Great Umbra Penumbra Conundrum - The Globe Is Slippin'." would leave you wondering!

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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #49 on: October 27, 2016, 05:53:03 AM »
There are jet-streams on near of the edge of the earth specially near on Australia. This causes the distance feels like shorter.

The word of jet stream is a lie. So you are saying lie. Pilots don't care about jet streams. The time difference causes by mistakes of maps. Your try about defende the lie by jet streams proves your impotence.
Which is it?

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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #50 on: October 27, 2016, 06:22:00 AM »
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In the absense of that I will accept a technical and mathematical explanation of tides on the RE.

You will need to use relativistic math, I will not accept anything that just "looks ok", I will also know if you copied and pasted from Google. Once you do this I will no longer take issue with you calling FE'ers stupid.
If you think that "relativistic math" is really needed for an accurate mathematical explanation of tides on the Globe, then you do not understand the problem.

Nevertheless your request is almost impossible to fulfill as even a reasonably convincing accurate explanation of tides on the Globe is extremely difficult, and far from the simplistic explanation "given in schools". It has to include details of the ocean floor profile etc, etc.

But, what about a simpler task for you? Give a convincing explanation for lunar phases and lunar eclipses on the Flat Earth.

How else would you explain the curvature of space time causing the gravitational attraction?

No, I am not a physicist lol good pick, I am aware of how difficult the problem is. I was probably being a dick because he called me a troll.

I also can't explain lunar phases on a flat earth, I never claimed to believe in a flat earth.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns. 

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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #51 on: November 18, 2016, 11:45:08 AM »
I would suggest this as a more accurate map for a flat Earth (not exactly flat, but more like a bowl) to explain the flight paths. A completely flat Earth wouldn't be able to explain the motion of the sun in a straight arc at the equator at September 21. Also, in the image provided, we should realize that the curvature would be a lot more pronounced than that. Only differences between this theory and the one that the Earth is a sphere is that it is more flattened at the north pole and the Earth curves back away from the north pole after reaching the equator. The flight paths wouldn't be much longer at the tropic of Capricorn than they are at the equator. However, it would still be shorter to go through the northern hemisphere to reach the other side of the Earth.

Not that I am completely convinced that the Earth has that shape, but it works with the actual known astronomy except for the region near the south pole (which no independent researcher can visit as of now).

« Last Edit: November 18, 2016, 11:51:47 AM by hanntonn »

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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #52 on: November 18, 2016, 01:08:33 PM »
This is another thread that needs to stay up forever. This and theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=67675.0

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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #53 on: November 18, 2016, 02:42:47 PM »
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In the absense of that I will accept a technical and mathematical explanation of tides on the RE.

You will need to use relativistic math, I will not accept anything that just "looks ok", I will also know if you copied and pasted from Google. Once you do this I will no longer take issue with you calling FE'ers stupid.
If you think that "relativistic math" is really needed for an accurate mathematical explanation of tides on the Globe, then you do not understand the problem.

Nevertheless your request is almost impossible to fulfill as even a reasonably convincing accurate explanation of tides on the Globe is extremely difficult, and far from the simplistic explanation "given in schools". It has to include details of the ocean floor profile etc, etc.

But, what about a simpler task for you? Give a convincing explanation for lunar phases and lunar eclipses on the Flat Earth.

How else would you explain the curvature of space-time causing the gravitational attraction?
In providing an explanation for the tides I would not attempt to "explain the curvature of space-time causing the gravitational attraction".
Why would anyone be expected to go back to GR to explain the tides?  Newton's Laws of Motion and Gravitation are completely adequate for any calculations here.
When I get time I'll give you a few references on tides, but I'm not going to attempt any of the calculations!

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No, I am not a physicist lol good pick, I am aware of how difficult the problem is. I was probably being a dick because he called me a troll.

I also can't explain lunar phases on a flat earth, I never claimed to believe in a flat earth.

You took that from back from when it was not obvious from your posts whether you believed in a Flat, Globe or Square  ::) earth.

I have learnt a bit more by now and have realised that your name might be better "DisputeEverything" and not just "disputeone".

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
I am quite happy to dispute what some of these "globularists" come out with, especially when they misinterpret some of the "planoterrestrialist" theory.

Yes, I know better now - live and learn, they say.

Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #54 on: November 18, 2016, 07:04:11 PM »
Also, in the image provided, we should realize that the curvature would be a lot more pronounced than that.
What exactly is curved?  in your opinion. 

The picture portrays that the water level is curved but I am having a difficult time evisioning that phenomenon.  I reckon that water is either flat or flowing downhill. 

I want to believe in that bowl-shape but it makes no sense to me that the are curved ---- unless the ocean currents are not what the globalists say.  The bowl-shape only makes sense to me if the continents are mountain peaks and the oceans are all flowing downhill whereby the drain is situated at the equator. 

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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #55 on: November 19, 2016, 02:16:52 AM »
I'm amazed that no one has come up with the simplest explanation (Note: just using the conspiracy BS to fit in with FE fantasy, not claiming reality):

The flight times are not indicative of distances.

The planes/boats/etc are capable of travelling much faster than people think and they travel much faster south of the equator to keep up the conspiracy that the earth is a globe.


I would suggest this as a more accurate map for a flat Earth (not exactly flat, but more like a bowl) to explain the flight paths. A completely flat Earth wouldn't be able to explain the motion of the sun in a straight arc at the equator at September 21. Also, in the image provided, we should realize that the curvature would be a lot more pronounced than that. Only differences between this theory and the one that the Earth is a sphere is that it is more flattened at the north pole and the Earth curves back away from the north pole after reaching the equator. The flight paths wouldn't be much longer at the tropic of Capricorn than they are at the equator. However, it would still be shorter to go through the northern hemisphere to reach the other side of the Earth.

Not that I am completely convinced that the Earth has that shape, but it works with the actual known astronomy except for the region near the south pole (which no independent researcher can visit as of now).

And I would discard it as nonsense.

It cannot explain any of it.
It doesn't explain why at the equinox the sun appears to rise due east and set due west, following a straight line for the people on the equator. For the people on the equator, that model is pretty much the same as a flat Earth.

That model just helps with distances in the northern hemisphere and helps explain why the north pole can receive some darkness.

It doesn't help much for the southern hemisphere. Especially not for those flights. With that model, the further south you are the longer the distance, so it makes no sense for the flights to go south.

And independent researches can go to the south pole. It is just quite expensive and dangerous.

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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #56 on: November 20, 2016, 03:07:08 AM »
Fixed it :)

There are jet-streams on near of the edge of the earth specially near on Australia. This causes the distance feels like shorter. On the other hand the map you showed is not corrected by most of flathers. Because still we haven't any government to support our workings. Almost all flathers are amateurs and volunteers retards. So it is hard to create a map better then you showed that can answer all questions.

Wellll.....no...didn't fix it.  Do the Jet Streams "know" when to go in the OPPOSITE direction, to make the RETURN flight just as short also?  Do they also have a schedule of flight plans?  These, so called "Jet Streams" cannot account for random trips in both ways.  Thinking so shows a severe lack of common sense and thought.