The appearance of Gravity

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Re: The appearance of Gravity
« Reply #300 on: May 18, 2010, 06:30:30 AM »
Software that makes it so if you are trying to prove an optical illusion, it straightens out the line when you try to solve the illusion???
why don't you get an artist's compass and a T-square. draw the image. done.

The Conspiracy can and does tamper with paper to cause it to shift the image as it is being drawn.

Tsk, tsk.  Steve, I hate to say it, but your trolling skills are not what they used to be.  It's like you're not even trying anymore.
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Re: The appearance of Gravity
« Reply #301 on: May 18, 2010, 06:41:03 AM »
Actually I'm pretty sure his account has been hacked. This is why his trolling is so weak these days.

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Re: The appearance of Gravity
« Reply #302 on: May 18, 2010, 11:27:01 AM »
So what about variance in g at the degree of .01m/s why would we need that?

Because gravitational fields do exist in nature, and we are always interacting with them.

Software that makes it so if you are trying to prove an optical illusion, it straightens out the line when you try to solve the illusion???
why don't you get an artist's compass and a T-square. draw the image. done.

The Conspiracy can and does tamper with paper to cause it to shift the image as it is being drawn.

Or take this one

It's a jpg, so it cannot be moving, but if you move your head back and forth, it looks like it is.

The Conspiracy has developed secret animation techniques for all image codecs, and they use them to make such "illusions" move.

how about 3d movies?

The objects really do come out of the screen towards you when you put on your 3D glasses. This is a technique developed by the Conspiracy during the early days of filmmaking. You can tell it is a Conspiracy tool because they used it in making a film about the ISS.

I thought that you only used free software that includes source code that you can check for tampering.

The Conspiracy can and does tamper with the execution of binary files at the hardware level.

So Robosteve believes that jpgs move.
interesting. why don't you do a screen capture of the picture, then paste it.
see if it still moves

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Re: The appearance of Gravity
« Reply #303 on: May 18, 2010, 11:28:12 AM »
So Robosteve believes that jpgs move.
interesting. why don't you do a screen capture of the picture, then paste it.
see if it still moves

The Conspiracy tampers with screen capturing software, too.
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.

Re: The appearance of Gravity
« Reply #304 on: May 18, 2010, 11:35:04 AM »
Take a step off the edge of your chair and watch the surface of the earth carefully.

When you walk across the room, are you moving across the floor or is the floor moving under your feet?

When I walk across the floor I'm propelling myself across with my own two legs.

When I walk off the edge of a chair and observe the surface of the earth carefully I'm not propelling myself towards the earth.

Obviously the direct explanation from experience is that the earth is propelling itself towards me.

What a bizarre thread again and what bizarre methods.

Yes, at a small enough level, you can use a flat earth approximation and yes you can imagine the earth as an elevator. There will be no distinction from gravity except for tidal forces which will only be evident over larger distances.

This is entirely expected by the law of gravity, so you end up not having proved/disproved anything... you've only proved by the chair experiment that either theory (elevator vs gravity) is plausible. You are not any farther in discovering the truth. The only way to discover the truth is to set up an experiment where the theory of gravity fails and the elevator theory is correct. The only way to do that is to use larger distances.. which of course you refuse to do which means you refuse to test the theory of gravity which means you are espousing something of a religious faith rather than a true scientific spirit.


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Re: The appearance of Gravity
« Reply #305 on: May 18, 2010, 11:36:27 AM »
So Robosteve believes that jpgs move.
interesting. why don't you do a screen capture of the picture, then paste it.
see if it still moves

The Conspiracy tampers with screen capturing software, too.

Sure they do.
print it out or look at it in a book..
surely they don't tamper with paper software.

Re: The appearance of Gravity
« Reply #306 on: May 18, 2010, 11:59:17 AM »
So Robosteve believes that jpgs move.
interesting. why don't you do a screen capture of the picture, then paste it.
see if it still moves

The Conspiracy tampers with screen capturing software, too.
Seems awfully convenient to blame everything on a conspiracy nobody can find any proof exists.

Here, there is a way that will make it impossible for the conspiracy to intervene, and to have a perfectly straight line as well as a perfect right triangle. Get a flat piece of lumber. If you want, you can even cut the tree yourself and sand it down so you have a nice flat disk of wood. Then, more on the left hand side, draw two dots 3" apart. Connect the dots with a straight line. Any two points connected with a single line is always a straight line. If you don't trust your handiwork at drawing straight lines, you can use a laser. Now, I know about bendy light. So, what you would need to do to avoid this, is to have the surface of your drawing plane parallel with the surface of the Earth. Thus, the bending light will not vary side to side, only up and down. Making it so that, on the plane you are drawing on, it is straight. Now, you need a compass, if you don't want to use protractors, which would be changed by the Conspiracy. Hell, you'd even say a compass is. So, you need to objects, anything will do, so long as one is 4 inches long, and the other is 5 inches long. Now, from the bottom of the line you drew, draw a circle around that point with the object that's 4 inches long. Place one end at the point you already drew, and place your writing utensil at the other end of said object, and spin it in a circle about the fixed point. Do the same thing with the upper point, but using the object that's 5 inches long. The circles will intersect at two points. It will be to the left and right of the bottom point previously drawn. Then, simply connect the dots, again using the laser guide oriented to not be affected by Bendy Light in our drawing plane. You can use any writing instrument you wish, and there are many ways you can make your own writing instrument. Heck, since you're doing it on wood you got yourself, you can even scratch the surface with a sharp rock. Unless you think the conspiracy has altered every tree and every rock on the entire planet?

A nice picture to go along with it. The dark black line is the first line you draw. The blue circle is the 4" circle, the magenta circle the 5" one. The two thinner black lines are the triangle, and the two light black lines are the triangle in other direction.

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Re: The appearance of Gravity
« Reply #307 on: May 18, 2010, 12:15:49 PM »
So Robosteve believes that jpgs move.
interesting. why don't you do a screen capture of the picture, then paste it.
see if it still moves

The Conspiracy tampers with screen capturing software, too.
Seems awfully convenient to blame everything on a conspiracy nobody can find any proof exists.

Here, there is a way that will make it impossible for the conspiracy to intervene, and to have a perfectly straight line as well as a perfect right triangle. Get a flat piece of lumber. If you want, you can even cut the tree yourself and sand it down so you have a nice flat disk of wood. Then, more on the left hand side, draw two dots 3" apart. Connect the dots with a straight line. Any two points connected with a single line is always a straight line. If you don't trust your handiwork at drawing straight lines, you can use a laser. Now, I know about bendy light. So, what you would need to do to avoid this, is to have the surface of your drawing plane parallel with the surface of the Earth. Thus, the bending light will not vary side to side, only up and down. Making it so that, on the plane you are drawing on, it is straight. Now, you need a compass, if you don't want to use protractors, which would be changed by the Conspiracy. Hell, you'd even say a compass is. So, you need to objects, anything will do, so long as one is 4 inches long, and the other is 5 inches long. Now, from the bottom of the line you drew, draw a circle around that point with the object that's 4 inches long. Place one end at the point you already drew, and place your writing utensil at the other end of said object, and spin it in a circle about the fixed point. Do the same thing with the upper point, but using the object that's 5 inches long. The circles will intersect at two points. It will be to the left and right of the bottom point previously drawn. Then, simply connect the dots, again using the laser guide oriented to not be affected by Bendy Light in our drawing plane. You can use any writing instrument you wish, and there are many ways you can make your own writing instrument. Heck, since you're doing it on wood you got yourself, you can even scratch the surface with a sharp rock. Unless you think the conspiracy has altered every tree and every rock on the entire planet?

A nice picture to go along with it. The dark black line is the first line you draw. The blue circle is the 4" circle, the magenta circle the 5" one. The two thinner black lines are the triangle, and the two light black lines are the triangle in other direction.

what does this prove?

Re: The appearance of Gravity
« Reply #308 on: May 18, 2010, 01:53:17 PM »
I'm surprised so many fell for parsifal's trolling.

Re: The appearance of Gravity
« Reply #309 on: May 18, 2010, 01:56:18 PM »
Parsifal?  Parsifal...?  Are you there?  I need to ask you something important.

Trolling makes me angry.

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Re: The appearance of Gravity
« Reply #310 on: May 18, 2010, 03:59:07 PM »
I'm surprised so many fell for parsifal's trolling.

Oh I was aware oh it when I came on here a year ago and saw "bendy light"

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Re: The appearance of Gravity
« Reply #311 on: May 18, 2010, 04:53:51 PM »
So Robosteve believes that jpgs move.
interesting. why don't you do a screen capture of the picture, then paste it.
see if it still moves

The Conspiracy tampers with screen capturing software, too.

Do you have any evidence to support this outlandish claim?  Of course you do.  You have the source code to your screen capture software.  Care to show us the code that's been tampered with?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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Thevoiceofreason

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Re: The appearance of Gravity
« Reply #312 on: May 18, 2010, 04:54:08 PM »
In addition to the above one, print this parsifal:



What's next? The conspiracy rigged printer ink or toner to appear and disappear, depending on how YOU look at it?

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Parsifal

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Re: The appearance of Gravity
« Reply #313 on: May 19, 2010, 09:46:27 AM »
Sure they do.
print it out or look at it in a book..
surely they don't tamper with paper software.

As I've already said, they tamper with the paper itself so that it shifts around.

Seems awfully convenient to blame everything on a conspiracy nobody can find any proof exists.

Here, there is a way that will make it impossible for the conspiracy to intervene, and to have a perfectly straight line as well as a perfect right triangle. Get a flat piece of lumber. If you want, you can even cut the tree yourself and sand it down so you have a nice flat disk of wood. Then, more on the left hand side, draw two dots 3" apart. Connect the dots with a straight line. Any two points connected with a single line is always a straight line. If you don't trust your handiwork at drawing straight lines, you can use a laser. Now, I know about bendy light. So, what you would need to do to avoid this, is to have the surface of your drawing plane parallel with the surface of the Earth. Thus, the bending light will not vary side to side, only up and down. Making it so that, on the plane you are drawing on, it is straight. Now, you need a compass, if you don't want to use protractors, which would be changed by the Conspiracy. Hell, you'd even say a compass is. So, you need to objects, anything will do, so long as one is 4 inches long, and the other is 5 inches long. Now, from the bottom of the line you drew, draw a circle around that point with the object that's 4 inches long. Place one end at the point you already drew, and place your writing utensil at the other end of said object, and spin it in a circle about the fixed point. Do the same thing with the upper point, but using the object that's 5 inches long. The circles will intersect at two points. It will be to the left and right of the bottom point previously drawn. Then, simply connect the dots, again using the laser guide oriented to not be affected by Bendy Light in our drawing plane. You can use any writing instrument you wish, and there are many ways you can make your own writing instrument. Heck, since you're doing it on wood you got yourself, you can even scratch the surface with a sharp rock. Unless you think the conspiracy has altered every tree and every rock on the entire planet?

A nice picture to go along with it. The dark black line is the first line you draw. The blue circle is the 4" circle, the magenta circle the 5" one. The two thinner black lines are the triangle, and the two light black lines are the triangle in other direction.


How do I measure those lengths without relying on rulers manufactured by the Conspiracy?

Do you have any evidence to support this outlandish claim?  Of course you do.  You have the source code to your screen capture software.  Care to show us the code that's been tampered with?

As I've already said, they tamper with the execution of binaries at the hardware level. The source code is unaffected.

In addition to the above one, print this parsifal:



What's next? The conspiracy rigged printer ink or toner to appear and disappear, depending on how YOU look at it?

Precisely.
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.

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Thevoiceofreason

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Re: The appearance of Gravity
« Reply #314 on: May 19, 2010, 09:58:47 AM »
Sure they do.
print it out or look at it in a book..
surely they don't tamper with paper software.

As I've already said, they tamper with the paper itself so that it shifts around.

Seems awfully convenient to blame everything on a conspiracy nobody can find any proof exists.

Here, there is a way that will make it impossible for the conspiracy to intervene, and to have a perfectly straight line as well as a perfect right triangle. Get a flat piece of lumber. If you want, you can even cut the tree yourself and sand it down so you have a nice flat disk of wood. Then, more on the left hand side, draw two dots 3" apart. Connect the dots with a straight line. Any two points connected with a single line is always a straight line. If you don't trust your handiwork at drawing straight lines, you can use a laser. Now, I know about bendy light. So, what you would need to do to avoid this, is to have the surface of your drawing plane parallel with the surface of the Earth. Thus, the bending light will not vary side to side, only up and down. Making it so that, on the plane you are drawing on, it is straight. Now, you need a compass, if you don't want to use protractors, which would be changed by the Conspiracy. Hell, you'd even say a compass is. So, you need to objects, anything will do, so long as one is 4 inches long, and the other is 5 inches long. Now, from the bottom of the line you drew, draw a circle around that point with the object that's 4 inches long. Place one end at the point you already drew, and place your writing utensil at the other end of said object, and spin it in a circle about the fixed point. Do the same thing with the upper point, but using the object that's 5 inches long. The circles will intersect at two points. It will be to the left and right of the bottom point previously drawn. Then, simply connect the dots, again using the laser guide oriented to not be affected by Bendy Light in our drawing plane. You can use any writing instrument you wish, and there are many ways you can make your own writing instrument. Heck, since you're doing it on wood you got yourself, you can even scratch the surface with a sharp rock. Unless you think the conspiracy has altered every tree and every rock on the entire planet?

A nice picture to go along with it. The dark black line is the first line you draw. The blue circle is the 4" circle, the magenta circle the 5" one. The two thinner black lines are the triangle, and the two light black lines are the triangle in other direction.


How do I measure those lengths without relying on rulers manufactured by the Conspiracy?

Do you have any evidence to support this outlandish claim?  Of course you do.  You have the source code to your screen capture software.  Care to show us the code that's been tampered with?

As I've already said, they tamper with the execution of binaries at the hardware level. The source code is unaffected.

In addition to the above one, print this parsifal:



What's next? The conspiracy rigged printer ink or toner to appear and disappear, depending on how YOU look at it?

Precisely.

Are you being honest?
how is this possible? the ink move around without a force causing it to accelerate, and that can't happen with no power source.


what if you took charcoal (burn the wood yourself if you must) and draw out the simplest one I gave you?
on a leaf or something. surely the conspiracy didn't tamper with wood

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Re: The appearance of Gravity
« Reply #315 on: May 19, 2010, 10:08:02 AM »
Are you being honest?
how is this possible? the ink move around without a force causing it to accelerate, and that can't happen with no power source.


what if you took charcoal (burn the wood yourself if you must) and draw out the simplest one I gave you?
on a leaf or something. surely the conspiracy didn't tamper with wood

The Conspiracy has genetically engineered all trees so that paper made from them causes any ink or other writing material drawn or printed upon them to move around.
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.

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Re: The appearance of Gravity
« Reply #316 on: May 19, 2010, 10:34:31 AM »
Are you being honest?
how is this possible? the ink move around without a force causing it to accelerate, and that can't happen with no power source.


what if you took charcoal (burn the wood yourself if you must) and draw out the simplest one I gave you?
on a leaf or something. surely the conspiracy didn't tamper with wood

The Conspiracy has genetically engineered all trees so that paper made from them causes any ink or other writing material drawn or printed upon them to move around.

I will ask you again, are you being honest and do you have proof?
what if you drew the pattern with charcoal or some other writing material on yourself?

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Re: The appearance of Gravity
« Reply #317 on: May 19, 2010, 10:57:59 AM »
I will ask you again, are you being honest and do you have proof?
what if you drew the pattern with charcoal or some other writing material on yourself?

Charcoal comes from trees, so it would also exhibit these shape-changing properties.
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.

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Re: The appearance of Gravity
« Reply #318 on: May 19, 2010, 11:20:34 AM »
I will ask you again, are you being honest and do you have proof?
what if you drew the pattern with charcoal or some other writing material on yourself?

Charcoal comes from trees, so it would also exhibit these shape-changing properties.

how would it possibly know how to configure to that precise pattern of blinking? also, the black dots seem to disappear when you look at them. how is that possible?

why don't you draw it on yourself with pure carbon

I will ask you again, are you being honest and do you have proof?

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Re: The appearance of Gravity
« Reply #319 on: May 19, 2010, 11:46:45 AM »
how would it possibly know how to configure to that precise pattern of blinking? also, the black dots seem to disappear when you look at them. how is that possible?

The Conspiracy uses technology far beyond anything which is conceivable by the layman.

why don't you draw it on yourself with pure carbon

Can you suggest a means of obtaining pure carbon?
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.

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Re: The appearance of Gravity
« Reply #320 on: May 19, 2010, 12:03:25 PM »
how would it possibly know how to configure to that precise pattern of blinking? also, the black dots seem to disappear when you look at them. how is that possible?

The Conspiracy uses technology far beyond anything which is conceivable by the layman.

why don't you draw it on yourself with pure carbon

Can you suggest a means of obtaining pure carbon?
So essentially you don't know how they could do it.
I thought the point of the Conspiracy was to look fancy, and have a big budget
with that kinda resources and money, why wouldn't the just go to the moon, which is only a few thousand km according to FET?


ok maybe not pure carbon, but how could burn wood be manipulated genetically? its dead

Re: The appearance of Gravity
« Reply #321 on: May 19, 2010, 12:30:00 PM »
how would it possibly know how to configure to that precise pattern of blinking? also, the black dots seem to disappear when you look at them. how is that possible?

The Conspiracy uses technology far beyond anything which is conceivable by the layman.

why don't you draw it on yourself with pure carbon

I hope everyone realizes that there is a name for the above.. its called paranoid schizophrenia. Only a fool would argue or even speak to a fool such as this. A psychotic break.. complete disconnection with reality... combined with a healthy pinch of hypocrisy for doubting standard science because he doesn't trust the government but expecting everyone to take his word for it that there is an alien conspiracy going on.. so who wants to waste their valuable energy arguing with a delusional hypocritical paranoid?

This isn't a personal attack fyi, I am sure many of the dsm criteria for paranoid schiz have been met.


Can you suggest a means of obtaining pure carbon?

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Re: The appearance of Gravity
« Reply #322 on: May 19, 2010, 03:43:21 PM »
Are you being honest?
how is this possible? the ink move around without a force causing it to accelerate, and that can't happen with no power source.


what if you took charcoal (burn the wood yourself if you must) and draw out the simplest one I gave you?
on a leaf or something. surely the conspiracy didn't tamper with wood

The Conspiracy has genetically engineered all trees so that paper made from them causes any ink or other writing material drawn or printed upon them to move around.

Seriously Steve, you aren't doing anyone any favors with this nonsense.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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Re: The appearance of Gravity
« Reply #323 on: May 19, 2010, 04:49:10 PM »

how would it possibly know how to configure to that precise pattern of blinking? also, the black dots seem to disappear when you look at them. how is that possible?

why don't you draw it on yourself with pure carbon

I will ask you again, are you being honest and do you have proof?
At this time we know that both Parsifal and Tom Bishop are, or have recently become, total trolls without the least bit of an intention of good faith.

We should remember everyone of these claims (that the ink and the carbon themselves are complicit with the Conspiracy) every time they try to troll a thread again.

Please do not feed the trolls.

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Re: The appearance of Gravity
« Reply #324 on: May 19, 2010, 05:00:19 PM »

how would it possibly know how to configure to that precise pattern of blinking? also, the black dots seem to disappear when you look at them. how is that possible?

why don't you draw it on yourself with pure carbon

I will ask you again, are you being honest and do you have proof?
At this time we know that both Parsifal and Tom Bishop are, or have recently become, total trolls without the least bit of an intention of good faith.

We should remember everyone of these claims (that the ink and the carbon themselves are complicit with the Conspiracy) every time they try to troll a thread again.

And I love how everyone else is following suit. this is the cancer that is killing FES, someone should call Robowtham...

I knew something was up when Parsifal started going on an on about his senses being better than machines, and that optical illusions aren't real. Now Gin is saying that moonlight is harmful due to his extremely badly derived conclusion, and that the earth doesn't push on plants (blatant lie). to top it off, Tom Bishop is saying that plants don't need light to live.

Re: The appearance of Gravity
« Reply #325 on: May 19, 2010, 05:27:49 PM »

how would it possibly know how to configure to that precise pattern of blinking? also, the black dots seem to disappear when you look at them. how is that possible?

why don't you draw it on yourself with pure carbon

I will ask you again, are you being honest and do you have proof?
At this time we know that both Parsifal and Tom Bishop are, or have recently become, total trolls without the least bit of an intention of good faith.

We should remember everyone of these claims (that the ink and the carbon themselves are complicit with the Conspiracy) every time they try to troll a thread again.

And I love how everyone else is following suit. this is the cancer that is killing FES, someone should call Robowtham...

I knew something was up when Parsifal started going on an on about his senses being better than machines, and that optical illusions aren't real. Now Gin is saying that moonlight is harmful due to his extremely badly derived conclusion, and that the earth doesn't push on plants (blatant lie). to top it off, Tom Bishop is saying that plants don't need light to live.

Well they might not necessarily be trolls... we've all seen A Beautiful Mind, and you don't have to be frankly schizophrenic to have these delusional beliefs.. there's plenty of people with schizoaffective disorder and borderline schizophrenia who have enough capacity to work a computer and even hold down a job but down inside have this bizarre break with reality.


Re: The appearance of Gravity
« Reply #326 on: May 19, 2010, 06:30:21 PM »
Everyone has bizarre breaks with reality. Especially the people who think they don't.



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Re: The appearance of Gravity
« Reply #327 on: May 19, 2010, 08:42:34 PM »
Everyone has bizarre breaks with reality. Especially the people who think they don't.





I'm going to assume you are an FET'er since you seem to spout one or two line jibberish in most of your posts.

>99% of people in this world are sane and think they are sane. They do not have breaks with reality.
<1% of the people in this world are insane, but they think they are sane. Many of them fall into specific clinical categories which have been outlined for example in the DSM. They often also are subject to paranoid delusions (such as conspiracy theories, government implanting sensors in their brain so that they can hear your thoughts etc)

So your comment was not only useless in terms of adding to the discussion (since you never actually came out and made a specific point in regards to the discussion), it is also completely incorrect. Just another one-liner that superficially sounds attractive to people who are shallow.

Re: The appearance of Gravity
« Reply #328 on: May 19, 2010, 09:27:59 PM »
Dreams, amazed, dreams.
Religion.
Astrology.
And misinformed opinions.


Try swapping the 99% and 1%.

Actually forget the 1%. Anyone who harboured no delusions would go crazy. You think you're important, for example. I think I'm witty. Oh, if reality were to strip our delusions, could we bear it?

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Re: The appearance of Gravity
« Reply #329 on: May 19, 2010, 09:33:11 PM »
Dreams, amazed, dreams.
Religion.
Astrology.
And misinformed opinions.


Try swapping the 99% and 1%.

Actually forget the 1%. Anyone who harboured no delusions would go crazy. You think you're important, for example. I think I'm witty. Oh, if reality were to strip our delusions, could we bear it?



amazed is correct with this one. Delusions=/=hallucination or distorted reality.
insanity is a nearly quantifiable quality which is described in the DSM-IV.
consult it, and you will find that hardly anyone you know fit the criteria of the delusional disorders