Awesome proof that the world is flat

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Re: Awesome proof that the world is flat
« Reply #60 on: December 09, 2009, 05:15:47 AM »
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And as we all know, opinion isn't evidence of anything.

Actually, all proofs are opinions.

Astronomical proofs.

Biological proofs.

Chemical proofs.

Even mathematical proofs.

Ones that have been proven, such as through deductive reasoning. 
All opinions aren't proof.  You should add that as a course title to your curriculum, you can use it gratis.
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Re: Awesome proof that the world is flat
« Reply #61 on: December 09, 2009, 05:19:44 AM »
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And as we all know, opinion isn't evidence of anything.

Actually, all proofs are opinions.

Astronomical proofs.

Biological proofs.

Chemical proofs.

Even mathematical proofs.

Ones that have been proven, such as through deductive reasoning. 
All opinions aren't proof.  You should add that as a course title to your curriculum, you can use it gratis.

All proofs are opinions. It doesn't matter what kind of reasoning is used.

Re: Awesome proof that the world is flat
« Reply #62 on: December 09, 2009, 05:41:23 AM »
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And as we all know, opinion isn't evidence of anything.

Actually, all proofs are opinions.

Astronomical proofs.

Biological proofs.

Chemical proofs.

Even mathematical proofs.

Ones that have been proven, such as through deductive reasoning. 
All opinions aren't proof.  You should add that as a course title to your curriculum, you can use it gratis.

All proofs are opinions. It doesn't matter what kind of reasoning is used.

All opinions aren't proof.  It doesn't matter what kind of reasoning you use.
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Re: Awesome proof that the world is flat
« Reply #63 on: December 09, 2009, 06:14:26 AM »
It's my opinion that 3 is really 10. So every calculation you've done in your life is wrong.
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Re: Awesome proof that the world is flat
« Reply #64 on: December 09, 2009, 06:17:53 AM »
It's my opinion that 3 is really 10. So every calculation you've done in your life is wrong.

And that opinion can be used to validate your ignorance and establish a proof of your ignorance.
Congratulations!
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Re: Awesome proof that the world is flat
« Reply #65 on: December 09, 2009, 06:28:31 AM »
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And as we all know, opinion isn't evidence of anything.

Actually, all proofs are opinions.

No Tom.  Proof is what you use to validate your opinion.
« Last Edit: December 09, 2009, 06:34:24 AM by markjo »
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Re: Awesome proof that the world is flat
« Reply #66 on: December 09, 2009, 06:44:03 AM »
It's my opinion that 3 is really 10. So every calculation you've done in your life is wrong.

And that opinion can be used to validate your ignorance and establish a proof of your ignorance.
Congratulations!
Your ignorance is proving by your amazing ability to misinterpret sarcasm.
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Re: Awesome proof that the world is flat
« Reply #67 on: December 09, 2009, 06:47:35 AM »
It's my opinion that 3 is really 10. So every calculation you've done in your life is wrong.

And that opinion can be used to validate your ignorance and establish a proof of your ignorance.
Congratulations!
Your ignorance is proving by your amazing ability to misinterpret sarcasm.
I never know around this place, with bendy light, UA and a spotlight sun detecting sarcasm from semi-serious from serious isn't easy.
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Re: Awesome proof that the world is flat
« Reply #68 on: December 09, 2009, 09:33:57 AM »
That's a pretty good point.

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Re: Awesome proof that the world is flat
« Reply #69 on: December 09, 2009, 11:21:06 AM »
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All opinions aren't proof.  It doesn't matter what kind of reasoning you use.

I didn't say that all opinions are proofs. I said that all proofs are opinions.

It's my opinion that 3 is really 10. So every calculation you've done in your life is wrong.

3 can be 10. It depends what base you use and the context of the number.

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No Tom.  Proof is what you use to validate your opinion.

Proofs are still opinions. They are not facts. Aristotle's "three proofs" are not set in stone. They are his opinions.
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Re: Awesome proof that the world is flat
« Reply #70 on: December 09, 2009, 11:26:52 AM »
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All opinions aren't proof.  It doesn't matter what kind of reasoning you use.

I didn't say that all opinions are proofs. I said that all proofs are opinions.


Coming back once again to God's non-participation in shooting dice being proof of nothing and "Proof"50 being dismissed.
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Re: Awesome proof that the world is flat
« Reply #71 on: December 09, 2009, 11:49:41 AM »
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No Tom.  Proof is what you use to validate your opinion.

Proofs are still opinions. They are not facts. Aristotle's "three proofs" are not set in stone. They are his opinions.

*sigh*  Tom, am I going to have to appeal to the gods of lexicography to smite thee again?
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Re: Awesome proof that the world is flat
« Reply #72 on: December 09, 2009, 12:30:04 PM »
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No Tom.  Proof is what you use to validate your opinion.

Proofs are still opinions. They are not facts. Aristotle's "three proofs" are not set in stone. They are his opinions.

*sigh*  Tom, am I going to have to appeal to the gods of lexicography to smite thee again?

All proofs are opinions.

You can use proofs to "prove" all sorts of things. For example; philosophers often like to prove the existence of God through inference and deductive reasoning.

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm
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Re: Awesome proof that the world is flat
« Reply #73 on: December 09, 2009, 02:00:27 PM »
The only thing we can know for certain is NOT(A AND (NOT A)) and all variations of that statement, everything else is up for debate because any argument however valid stands or falls on whether you believe the premises, and you can *Always* doubt a premise if you try hard enough.

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Re: Awesome proof that the world is flat
« Reply #74 on: December 09, 2009, 02:04:48 PM »
The only thing we can know for certain is NOT(A AND (NOT A)) and all variations of that statement, everything else is up for debate because any argument however valid stands or falls on whether you believe the premises, and you can *Always* doubt a premise if you try hard enough.

Good. So we can agree that proofs are opinions and not facts then.

Re: Awesome proof that the world is flat
« Reply #75 on: December 09, 2009, 03:12:36 PM »
Actually, all proofs are opinions.

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3 can be 10. It depends what base you use and the context of the number.

Oh FFS Tom. You're really providing the lulz tonight.

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Re: Awesome proof that the world is flat
« Reply #76 on: December 09, 2009, 08:18:31 PM »
The only thing we can know for certain is NOT(A AND (NOT A)) and all variations of that statement, everything else is up for debate because any argument however valid stands or falls on whether you believe the premises, and you can *Always* doubt a premise if you try hard enough.

Good. So we can agree that proofs are opinions and not facts then.
I believe what he said is that proofs are only as good as their premise.
If some premises are facts, some proofs are valid, some proofs have valid premises, and all proofs reply on their premises, then some valid proofs are facts.
But wait, that was Aristotelian logic and he said newts and frogs come from the mud, so you can plug your ears.
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Re: Awesome proof that the world is flat
« Reply #77 on: December 09, 2009, 11:32:56 PM »
Later in life Einstein admitted that he believed in a universal, but not personal, God.

But he never once mentioned a god in any of his theories, nor did he ever base his theories on a god. You are wrong, just admit it.

Yes he does. He said that QM Theory is bunk and his GR/SR Theories are correct because "God does not play dice with the universe".

That's all he had to say on the subject of QM.
That's why he went to the Solvay conferences, which were largely to discuss quantum mechanics, and talked many atimes with Neils Bohr, trying to come up with models of quantum mechanics which were self-contradictory?  Or why he wrote the EPR paper trying to show that quantum mechanics must abandon either locality or reality, two things which most scientists of the time took for granted, but later locality did end up being abandoned?  Also, special relativity was made compatible with quantum mechanics as early as 1929 using quantum field theory. 

Also, you completely misunderstand that quote.  Einstein was a pantheist.  By universal god he means that god itself is the Universe and the Laws of Nature.  A personal god is by nature one that can have an effect on a person's life in a meaningful way.  He was not even a deist (which many Founding Fathers were, by the way).  People quote-mining Einstein gets quite frustrating.  Tell any serious biographer who has studied Einstein your thoughts on that quote and they well tell you to gtfo.  Maybe you should even read a biography of his.  I recommend Walter Isaacson's - it's a very good read.

Re: Awesome proof that the world is flat
« Reply #78 on: December 10, 2009, 07:48:02 AM »
It's a good thing that they're not crashing by using flat maps then.

Simply because it is far easier to navigate with a flat map.

Have you ever navigated at sea before? No i thought not.

You measure all your distances using calipers, and mark off your desired course with a compass and pencil. Try doing that on a globe (which also isn't made from paper)

Also Captain's quarters usually had an ornate globe set in an oak surround. From this he would choose his destination, then search his maps for relevance to that area, since maps are always scaled so that you can actually see features.

Re: Awesome proof that the world is flat
« Reply #79 on: March 28, 2016, 04:48:40 AM »
Carpenter was speaking to a largely Christian audience in his works.

Even Newton often spoke of "God" and "Heavenly fathers" in his published works. Should we dismiss his work because he was a religious man?

The man who founded modern genetics was a priest. How about him?

OK, so speaking to an audience doesn't mean anything at all.
You just sat there and used Newton as a 'proof' to flat earth because he prefaced God, but the thing is, Newton created the laws of motion and gravity as it pertained to a round Earth.