Where is magnetic south under FET?

They align themselves with a field but to say "South is the direction opposite to that in which they align" is wrong. They align themselves in a bidirectional manner. It would be just as accurate to say "North is the direction opposite to that in which the field is oriented." Your description makes it sound as if there's some sort of fundamental difference between north and south. There isn't.

I did not say that south was the direction opposite to that in which they align, I said it was the direction opposite to that in which the local magnetic field is oriented. Magnetic fields are given an arbitrary direction by convention, such that the field around a bar magnet goes from its north pole to its south pole.

I did not say that south was the direction opposite to that in which they align, I said it was the direction opposite to that in which the local magnetic field is oriented. Magnetic fields are given an arbitrary direction by convention, such that the field around a bar magnet goes from its north pole to its south pole.

See, this is the sort of pointless nitpicking that happens wherever Parsitroll posts.

I did not say that south was the direction opposite to that in which they align, I said it was the direction opposite to that in which the local magnetic field is oriented. Magnetic fields are given an arbitrary direction by convention, such that the field around a bar magnet goes from its north pole to its south pole.

How can you press so many keys and still say nothing?

So, what exactly is the problem with this image:

Magnetic lines are parallel to te surface at the equator and perpendicular at the nort pole and all along the ice wall.

So, what exactly is the problem with this image:

Magnetic lines are parallel to te surface at the equator and perpendicular at the nort pole and all along the ice wall.

Because it is some diagram made up by some non-scientists on an unkown message board, for one.

Quote from: WastedTime on December 05, 2009, 08:18:07 PM

So, what exactly is the problem with this image:

Magnetic lines are parallel to te surface at the equator and perpendicular at the nort pole and all along the ice wall.

Because it is some diagram made up by some non-scientists on an unkown message board, for one.

1. Answereing a "what" question with "because" makes no sense.
2. I am a scientist.
3. Op asked a question and had trouble visualizing the answer. The picture is a visual aid for those lacking sufficient spacial awareness.

You are free to disagree (this is what the forum is for), but, in doing so, please offer a scientific experiment that will invalidate the model shown in the picture.

Quote from: The Earth is ROUND!!!!!!! on December 05, 2009, 08:28:04 PM

Quote from: WastedTime on December 05, 2009, 08:18:07 PM

So, what exactly is the problem with this image:

Magnetic lines are parallel to te surface at the equator and perpendicular at the nort pole and all along the ice wall.

Because it is some diagram made up by some non-scientists on an unkown message board, for one.

1. Answereing a "what" question with "because" makes no sense.
2. I am a scientist.
3. Op asked a question and had trouble visualizing the answer. The picture is a visual aid for those lacking sufficient spacial awareness.

You are free to disagree (this is what the forum is for), but, in doing so, please offer a scientific experiment that will invalidate the model shown in the picture.

Why should I if every FE'er on this board cannot do the same?

Quote from: WastedTime on December 05, 2009, 08:37:03 PM

Please offer a scientific experiment that will invalidate the model shown in the picture.

Why should I if every FE'er on this board cannot do the same?

Because you disagree with FE, whereas FE'ers do not.

Quote from: The Earth is ROUND!!!!!!! on December 05, 2009, 08:41:57 PM

Quote from: WastedTime on December 05, 2009, 08:37:03 PM

Please offer a scientific experiment that will invalidate the model shown in the picture.

Why should I if every FE'er on this board cannot do the same?

Because you disagree with FE, whereas FE'ers do not.

I have asked many a question directed at FE'ers, and 99% of the time, I get a one word or one sentence answer that involves absolutely no science or experiments.

So I ask again, why do I have to provide a scientific experiment that supports my beliefs when FE'ers refuse to do the same for me?

Quote from: Parsifal on December 05, 2009, 08:31:08 AM

I did not say that south was the direction opposite to that in which they align, I said it was the direction opposite to that in which the local magnetic field is oriented. Magnetic fields are given an arbitrary direction by convention, such that the field around a bar magnet goes from its north pole to its south pole.

See, this is the sort of pointless nitpicking that happens wherever Parsitroll posts.

It's not pedantic nitpicking when you've accused me of being wrong and then failed to explain what is wrong with what I said.

So, what exactly is the problem with this image:

Magnetic lines are parallel to te surface at the equator and perpendicular at the nort pole and all along the ice wall.

It doesn't show magnetic field lines at the surface at the equator.

So, what exactly is the problem with this image:
IMAGE
Magnetic lines are parallel to te surface at the equator and perpendicular at the nort pole and all along the ice wall.

What would cause this field? RE has an explanation, what is the FE equivelant?

Quote from: WastedTime on December 05, 2009, 08:18:07 PM

So, what exactly is the problem with this image:
IMAGE
Magnetic lines are parallel to te surface at the equator and perpendicular at the nort pole and all along the ice wall.

What would cause this field? RE has an explanation, what is the FE equivelant?

Ever seen a disk-shaped rare earth (neodymium) magnet?

Quote from: Robert64 on December 06, 2009, 02:46:12 AM

Quote from: WastedTime on December 05, 2009, 08:18:07 PM

So, what exactly is the problem with this image:
IMAGE
Magnetic lines are parallel to te surface at the equator and perpendicular at the nort pole and all along the ice wall.

What would cause this field? RE has an explanation, what is the FE equivelant?

Ever seen a disk-shaped rare earth (neodymium) magnet?

Not one that inverts polarity repeatedly, no.

why wouldn't FE have a core?

I have asked many a question directed at FE'ers, and 99% of the time, I get a one word or one sentence answer that involves absolutely no science or experiments.

So I ask again, why do I have to provide a scientific experiment that supports my beliefs when FE'ers refuse to do the same for me?

How about we make a deal. You will start the site for Round Earth Sociate, and I will promise not come over with the stupid question like "If the earth is spinning how come my hat does not fly off my head all the time?"

Alternatively, if you want to be useful and apply your need for things to be proven to you, I would recommend walking into any NASA facility and asking for a definitive proof that satellites exist, or that man landed on Moon. Then come back and tell us what they said.

It doesn't show magnetic field lines at the surface at the equator.

It does. The equator is half-way between the edge and the center of the disk, exatly where the magnetic lines are parallel to the surface of the disk. I could draw more lines closer to the surface, but I am sure you can exptrapolate it in your mind.

Quote from: WastedTime on December 06, 2009, 06:16:53 AM

Ever seen a disk-shaped rare earth (neodymium) magnet?

Not one that inverts polarity repeatedly, no.

Who said anything about inverting polarity? 

Who said anything about inverting polarity?  

I assumed it was relevant since the earth's magnetic field inverts polarity approximately every 250,000 years. Sorry for thinking we were talking about possible substitutes for a molten metallic core.

It does. The equator is half-way between the edge and the center of the disk, exatly where the magnetic lines are parallel to the surface of the disk. I could draw more lines closer to the surface, but I am sure you can exptrapolate it in your mind.

It doesn't; it shows magnetic field lines at the equator a few thousand kilometres into the sky. You have only shown magnetic field lines extending to one particular distance from the Earth's centre; extrapolation requires at least two data points.

Quote from: WastedTime on December 06, 2009, 09:11:14 AM

It does. The equator is half-way between the edge and the center of the disk, exatly where the magnetic lines are parallel to the surface of the disk. I could draw more lines closer to the surface, but I am sure you can exptrapolate it in your mind.

It doesn't; it shows magnetic field lines at the equator a few thousand kilometres into the sky. You have only shown magnetic field lines extending to one particular distance from the Earth's centre; extrapolation requires at least two data points.

Fine. How about I put the Red dots on the position of equator, and draw one more line:

Better?

Fine. How about I put the Red dots on the position of equator, and draw one more line:

Better?

Slightly.

Better?

No that's not how field lines form.

Quote from: WastedTime on December 06, 2009, 10:11:50 AM

Better?

No that's not how field lines form.

Please enlighten us with your drawing of the field lines, considering the brown area of the disc to be a magnetic dipole and the surrounding blue area to be non-magnetic.

Quote from: LiceFarm on December 06, 2009, 03:32:54 PM

Quote from: WastedTime on December 06, 2009, 10:11:50 AM

Better?

No that's not how field lines form.

Please enlighten us with your drawing of the field lines, considering the brown area of the disc to be a magnetic dipole and the surrounding blue area to be non-magnetic.

Here's a professional opinion on how the magnetic field really works.

Quote from: Ejak2021 on December 02, 2009, 07:43:57 PM

Geographic Poles =/= Magnetic Poles

Where the Magnetic South Pole is*.

It would be on the surface of the Flat Earth, not underneath.

*Well, an estimate of its location in 2004.

Actually, the "magnet" that is responsible for the earth's magnetic poles is located deep inside the earth.  You may have heard it referred to as the earth's core.

Uh, I think you misinterpreted my post.  I know the Earth's core is made of iron(?), and that its spinning creates a dynamo effect (I think?), and that creates a magnetic field.  In the last sentence in my post, by "it" I meant "the Magnetic South Pole."  Whether it's the North or South (magnetically), I'm not sure, but the way I'm referring to it is the magnetic pole nearest the Geographic South Pole.

Anyway, my point was this:  The top of the FE Rectangle diagram here in this thread (which is supposed to be a side-view of the FE, I think) will have the entire surface of the Earth on its top.  The Magnetic North Pole (In the Southern Hemisphere (why'd they have to use directions?)) is on the surface of the Earth, hence it is on the top of the rectangle.  Walk around it [the pole] with a compass and the needle will spin to point at one point.  If the magnetic south pole was under the Earth, then--correct me if I'm wrong--there probably shouldn't be a place where this happens.  It will always point "to the Ice Wall," that is to say, the Geographic South Pole.

Now, if someone draws the field lines from a bird's eye view from this point to magnetic north, they will get confused very quickly.

Edit:  Here is a picture with the magnetic poles marked.  Now it just needs the field lines.  The locations are approximate because the FE map is super deformed.  Actually I could use the lines of latitude and longitude to place the marks.  I'll get on that, but the current map is good enough to demonstrate my point.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d73/Ejak2021/FEpoles.jpg

Please enlighten us with your drawing of the field lines, considering the brown area of the disc to be a magnetic dipole and the surrounding blue area to be non-magnetic.

From Page 1.

Quote from: WastedTime on December 06, 2009, 05:02:27 PM

Please enlighten us with your drawing of the field lines, considering the brown area of the disc to be a magnetic dipole and the surrounding blue area to be non-magnetic.

From Page 1.

Quote from: Eddy Baby on December 02, 2009, 12:03:17 AM

Now move the green line to align with the top of the globe...

Now move the green line to align with the top of the globe...

Oh FFS. Stop posting.

Here is a picture of the side-view of the FE.  The Magnetic Poles are in their proper places.  I also included a top-down view.  Also, from now on, I'm going to refer to the magnetic poles as "the one up-top" and "the one down-below" because sometimes they are referred to by their location and sometimes their polarity.  My terminology removes any possible confusion...North is generally regarded as the "top" of the Earth, and no one disputes this, right?  Also, I made that picture before I decided to do this, but since it's a picture, it shouldn't be confusing.



Locations of the magnetic poles:
The Magnetic Pole Up-Top (82.7*N, 114.4*W)
The One Down-Below (63.5*S, 138*E)