Rings Of Saturn

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Skeleton

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Rings Of Saturn
« on: November 16, 2009, 04:40:46 PM »
According to FE believers, what are the Rings Of Saturn made of and how are they supported around the planet?
If the ultimate objective is to kill Skeleton, we should just do that next.

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Tom Bishop

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Re: Rings Of Saturn
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2009, 08:10:57 PM »
The first impulse everyone has to this sort of question is that the rings are little specs attracted to the tiny FE Saturn planet, rotating around it like a miniature version of the big planet operating under a different flavor of "gravity".

But is that really necessary? In practice things like Saturn's rings and the entirety of galaxies actually look completely solid and interconnected no matter the power of your telescope.

Could Saturn be solid?

Could the galaxies be solid?

We already know that the REer's need "Dark Matter" to explain why the galaxies rotate as if they were solid disks. Describing the movements of galaxies has been a challenge to astronomers. According to Newtonian mechanics the bodies towards the interior of the disk should move at a faster rate around the center than the bodies on the outside of the disk. This is exactly opposite of what is observed.

See this quote from softpedia.com:

    "According to theory, a galaxy should rotate faster at the center than at the edges. This is similar to how an ice-skater rotates: when she extends her arms she moves more slowly, when she either extends her arms above her head or keeps them close to the body she starts to rotate more rapidly. Taking into consideration how gravitation connects the stars in the galaxy the predicted result is that average orbital speed of a star at a specified distance away from the center would decrease inversely with the square root of the radius of the orbit (the dashed line, A, in figure below). However observations show that the galaxy rotates as if it is a solid disk as if stars are much more strongly connected to each other (the solid line, B, in the figure below)."

Perhaps the simplest explanation is that they simply ARE solid disks!
« Last Edit: November 16, 2009, 08:14:37 PM by Tom Bishop »

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Re: Rings Of Saturn
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2009, 08:14:09 PM »
Could the galaxies be solid?

We already know that the REer's need "Dark Matter" to explain why the galaxies rotate as if they were solid disks.

Please give some examples where mainstream 'RE Theory' has experimental data that is consistent with galaxies rotate as solid bodies.

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Tom Bishop

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Re: Rings Of Saturn
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2009, 08:15:00 PM »
See this quote from softpedia.com:

    "According to theory, a galaxy should rotate faster at the center than at the edges. This is similar to how an ice-skater rotates: when she extends her arms she moves more slowly, when she either extends her arms above her head or keeps them close to the body she starts to rotate more rapidly. Taking into consideration how gravitation connects the stars in the galaxy the predicted result is that average orbital speed of a star at a specified distance away from the center would decrease inversely with the square root of the radius of the orbit (the dashed line, A, in figure below). However observations show that the galaxy rotates as if it is a solid disk as if stars are much more strongly connected to each other (the solid line, B, in the figure below)."

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Re: Rings Of Saturn
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2009, 06:46:18 AM »
So no actual answer then, Bishop?
Gayer doesn't live in an atmosphere of vaporised mustard like you appear to, based on your latest photo.

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Re: Rings Of Saturn
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2009, 11:09:16 AM »
See this quote from softpedia.com:

    "According to theory, a galaxy should rotate faster at the center than at the edges. This is similar to how an ice-skater rotates: when she extends her arms she moves more slowly, when she either extends her arms above her head or keeps them close to the body she starts to rotate more rapidly. Taking into consideration how gravitation connects the stars in the galaxy the predicted result is that average orbital speed of a star at a specified distance away from the center would decrease inversely with the square root of the radius of the orbit (the dashed line, A, in figure below). However observations show that the galaxy rotates as if it is a solid disk as if stars are much more strongly connected to each other (the solid line, B, in the figure below)."

You should have just posted the plot in that article:

It clearly does not describe a solid body rotation. Because, for a solid body, the rotational speed v is proportional to the distance r from the axis of rotation:

v = ω r,

where ω is the angular speed. The plot of this dependence is a straight line with a slope equal to ω. This clearly does not correspond to any of the plots from the cited article

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trig

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Re: Rings Of Saturn
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2009, 04:56:18 PM »

See this quote from softpedia.com:

As usual, Tom Bishop does not bother to read the articles he quotes:

Quote from: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Stars-escaping-out-of-the-Galaxy-17222.shtml
Astronomers have found two stars on their way to exit the Milky Way moving at more than 1.6 million kilometers per hour.
How in the FE "universe" will a star move at 1.6 million kilometers per hour away from the Milky Way and even so can be seen? If it moved at that speed it would disappear from the FE known universe in milliseconds, not years, as the article explains.

If this article is basically right then all of the FE "theories" are fundamentally wrong. You cannot endorse this article and still consider yourself an "FE believer".

PS. Besides that, there is ample evidence of galaxies merging and colliding each other, and in the process showing how they are not solid.
« Last Edit: November 17, 2009, 04:59:10 PM by trig »

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SupahLovah

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Re: Rings Of Saturn
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2009, 05:37:40 AM »
According to Newtonian mechanics the bodies towards the interior of the disk should move at a faster rate around the center than the bodies on the outside of the disk. This is exactly opposite of what is observed.

"Study Gravitation; It's a field with a lot of potential!"

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Re: Rings Of Saturn
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2009, 07:46:54 AM »
According to Newtonian mechanics the bodies towards the interior of the disk should move at a faster rate around the center than the bodies on the outside of the disk. This is exactly opposite of what is observed.
This is actually a very good case for you "FE theorists" to learn from:
  • A model was made
  • Predictions were made based on the model and previous observations
  • New observations were made, and the predictions were tested
  • Peer reviewed articles were published, and a solid set of evidence for the model was made public
  • When contradictory evidence was found, like the predicted orbiting speed of stars being different from the observed, the new observations were published. No conspiracy.
  • When an explanation was found (the dark matter) it was considered just a working hypothesis, not gospel, and observations have continued
  • Scientists actually like having a big mystery and work hard to disentangle it.

Now lets compare the above with what "FE theorists" have done:
  • Almost no model, no diagram, no map that anyone considers about accurate.
  • No predictions.
  • Close to no new observations at all. Only Rowbotham was able to make an actual observation or experiment
  • Peer reviewed articles are close to none at all, and the ones they have are decades old, when they did not have to measure up against current science.
  • When contradictory evidence is found... well, you all have seen what happens
  • Explanations are made every day, but they are of the "Oh, now I get it" type, just cheap rhetoric that sounds good but has no relationship at all with predictions.
  • FE theorists actually love a great mystery.

This is called the scientific method. And the orbital speed of the stars is the best place to see how scientists and FE theorists deal with the contradictions in their models.