James's theory on dinosaurs

Noah built an ark that could hold two of every animal in the world, I'm pretty sure that a dinosaur could build a similar boat to hold lots of its friends.

Sorry, did you have some evidence about Noah that you forgot to provide?

Admittedly this is just a hunch, but I am willing to bet that any vessel large enough to carry anything bigger than a velociraptor, especially if it is only built out of plant materials, would run smack up against the inverse cube law.

Has a sizeable reed boat crossed the atlantic recently.

Ra II crossed the Atlantic Ocean and sailed the approx. 6,100 km from Safi in Morocco to Barbados in the West Indies in 57 days. Since this time the experiment had been successful, anthropologists across the entire world had to forget the old dogma that papyrus boats could not have brought cultural impulses from North Africa to Central America in pre-Columbian times.

Quote from: EireEngineer on March 16, 2012, 06:08:16 AM

Admittedly this is just a hunch, but I am willing to bet that any vessel large enough to carry anything bigger than a velociraptor, especially if it is only built out of plant materials, would run smack up against the inverse cube law.

Has a sizeable reed boat crossed the atlantic recently.

Ra II crossed the Atlantic Ocean and sailed the approx. 6,100 km from Safi in Morocco to Barbados in the West Indies in 57 days. Since this time the experiment had been successful, anthropologists across the entire world had to forget the old dogma that papyrus boats could not have brought cultural impulses from North Africa to Central America in pre-Columbian times.

Please, do tell us what "sizeable" means for you. Is this papyrus boat enough to carry one Diplodocus?

Or is it more like a "sizeable" boat that carried a couple of people and their food? The people in this photo don't even seem as big as anything other than a Velociraptor, but maybe that is just me.

Noah built an ark that could hold two of every animal in the world, I'm pretty sure that a dinosaur could build a similar boat to hold lots of its friends.

This logical fallacy is known as a non sequitur.  Noah was not a dinosaur therefore no conclusion about dinosaur abilities can be drawn from his ability to build an ark.

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 16, 2012, 08:54:14 AM

Noah built an ark that could hold two of every animal in the world, I'm pretty sure that a dinosaur could build a similar boat to hold lots of its friends.

This logical fallacy is known as a non sequitur.  Noah was not a dinosaur therefore no conclusion about dinosaur abilities can be drawn from his ability to build an ark.

But, in fact we can find clear indications of the opposite argument in this one. It has been demonstrated several times that Noah's ark is impossible to construct without steel. I have no problem with people believing in the literal explanation in the Bible, as long as they declare themselves non-scientists. Then they can declare that Noah's trip needed a miracle per minute, and it is their problem if they believe it.

But without miracles, it is impossible to make a sea-faring wooden 300 cubit vessel, even if you have metallic tools, opposable thumbs, more than twice the intelligence of any other animal and a culture that is thousands of years old, which created thousands of progressively larger boats with progressively better technology.

Noah built an ark that could hold two of every animal in the world, I'm pretty sure that a dinosaur could build a similar boat to hold lots of its friends.

Noahs Ark, supposedly of beam and plank construction of gopher wood, hits the inverse cube law a lot harder than even te dino straw boat would, lol

Why would they have to carry adult dinosaurs? They could easily carry the young or even the eggs.

Why would they have to carry adult dinosaurs? They could easily carry the young or even the eggs.

Are you suggesting that the young or even the eggs piloted the ship, maintained the ship, and tended to the passengers?

Quote from: Lord Wilmore on March 19, 2012, 08:40:46 PM

Why would they have to carry adult dinosaurs? They could easily carry the young or even the eggs.

Are you suggesting that the young or even the eggs piloted the ship, maintained the ship, and tended to the passengers?

They could have floated on currents. Or Pliosaurs could have pushed them like dolphins do to rafts nowadays.

Are you suggesting that the young or even the eggs piloted the ship, maintained the ship, and tended to the passengers?

What are you talking about? Your contention doesn't even make internal sense


I am suggesting that Deinonychus (James' main candidate), a dinosaur significantly shorter than the average human, could have easily brought the eggs or young of other species across the sea in small but sturdy vessels. There is no reason why fully grown species of massive dinosaur would have to be transported.

Quote from: ClockTower on March 19, 2012, 08:55:05 PM

Are you suggesting that the young or even the eggs piloted the ship, maintained the ship, and tended to the passengers?

What are you talking about? Your contention doesn't even make internal sense


I am suggesting that Deinonychus (James' main candidate), a dinosaur significantly shorter than the average human, could have easily brought the eggs or young of other species across the sea in small but sturdy vessels. There is no reason why fully grown species of massive dinosaur would have to be transported.

So when you asked "Why would they have to carry adult dinosaurs?", you meant beyond the Deinonychus adults running the ship? Got it.

They could have floated on currents. Or Pliosaurs could have pushed them like dolphins do to rafts nowadays.

They could have, but that is not what James is suggesting.  James is suggesting sailing ships along the lines of those used in colonial times (circa 15th - 18th century).

So when you asked "Why would they have to carry adult dinosaurs?", you meant beyond the Deinonychus adults running the ship? Got it.

Precisely, hence "they". That's what pronouns are for.

obviously the murgu had far more advanced biological technology than we have today

Quote from: ClockTower on March 19, 2012, 09:10:54 PM

So when you asked "Why would they have to carry adult dinosaurs?", you meant beyond the Deinonychus adults running the ship? Got it.

Precisely, hence "they". That's what pronouns are for.

ambiguous antecedent much? Oh, so now "they" refers to adult Deinonychi. What an amazing leap to the antecedent!

So now you want us to believe without any DSE that "they" carried the eggs of predator species across the Oceans. I assume "they" did so to have the fun of avoiding being eaten. Your outlandish claims are outlandish.

ambiguous antecedent much? Oh, so now "they" refers to adult Deinonychi. What an amazing leap to the antecedent!

Uh, this is what James has always suggested. It's not my fault that you've decided to enter the discussion despite apparently having no clue about what is being discussed. Much as it pains us, we read your posts. It would be nice if you returned the favour.

So now you want us to believe without any DSE that "they" carried the eggs of predator species across the Oceans. I assume "they" did so to have the fun of avoiding being eaten. Your outlandish claims are outlandish.

Gosh yes, imagine a species transporting creatures that could potentially predate upon them across the ocean. When has that ever happened?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene_Rewilding#List_of_species_proposed_for_the_Pleistocene_Rewilding_project


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoo

Gosh yes, imagine a species transporting creatures that could potentially predate upon them across the ocean. When has that ever happened?

You are comparing a species and a civilization that has every weapon imaginable, which will leave a thousand or a million times as much of a footprint to archaeologists from the next tens of millions of years as the dinosaurs ever did, with a species who (in your mind) did nothing more than a few boats.

Lions and big predators pose almost no danger to humans. Small dinosaurs were in permanent danger from the larger ones. There is a reason why archaeologists are now finding a few Deinonychus in very limited locations on Earth, but future archaeologists will find humans everywhere. Humans are so powerful that they do not have any predators of importance, while Deinonychi were hunted by other dinosaurs and suffered from lots of dangers, to the point where they never were an important percentage of the living dinosaurs.

Other carnivore dinosaurs not just "could potentially predate upon them", other dinosaurs did predate on them.

This whole thread is a prime example of what happens when people confuse imagination with logic and evidence.

Exactly. A logical FET becomes saturated with imaginative additions from REers to transform a legitimate theory into a tall tale.

Exactly. A logical FET becomes saturated with imaginative additions from REers to transform a legitimate theory into a tall tale.

Then show us why this dinosaur theory is any better than my posted theory (that the aliens from Alpha Centauri moved the dinosaurs and plants over the ocean), or my other posted theory (that humans travelled back in time and did it). Making a tall tale like these or the one about dinosaurs making ships is easy. Finding evidence is what changes them from tall tales into scientific theories.

We can do many things, but we cannot convert a tall tale about dinosaurs into a tall tale.

Have we observed aliens? No.
Has time travel, backwards, been observed? No

Have dinosaurs been observed building structures? YES!

Remember,

birds are dinosaurs.

Have we observed aliens? No.
Has time travel, backwards, been observed? No

Have dinosaurs been observed building structures? YES!

Remember,

birds are dinosaurs.

Ancient dinosaurs haven't been observed building structures.  And speak for yourself when it comes to having observed aliens.  I'm sure there are people who would disagree (not me, but there are people).

Aliens from worlds separate from Earth,* you perfidious pedant.

no cursing in the upper boards ichi,

Wait, I am confused, dinosaurs were not very smart, did they do this great ocean travel by accident?

Aliens from worlds separate from Earth,* you perfidious pedant.

I wasn't being pedantic, there are people who claim to have seen aliens from other worlds.  I'd say their accounts are at least as reliable as Brother James' dreams/hallucinations.

Wait, I am confused, dinosaurs were not very smart, did they do this great ocean travel by accident?

I can't imagine the people that mastered boats and populated the South Pacific thousands of years ago were much smarter than dinosaurs. If they could do it in just a matter of a few thousand years, surely it's not too hard to imagine that dinosaurs could have done it in the millions of years they had on the planet.

Quote from: OrbisNonSufficit on March 21, 2012, 10:42:31 AM

Wait, I am confused, dinosaurs were not very smart, did they do this great ocean travel by accident?

I can't imagine the people that mastered boats and populated the South Pacific thousands of years ago were much smarter than dinosaurs. If they could do it in just a matter of a few thousand years, surely it's not too hard to imagine that dinosaurs could have done it in the millions of years they had on the planet.

Thousands of years ago we were still humans, we may not have been as knowledgeable as we are now, and with less emphasis one education we were certainly on average less intelligent, but i am looking at the EQ of the dinosaurs, and frankly its minuscule compared to homo sapiens, monkeys, and dolphines, even elephants.

Quote from: Pongo on March 21, 2012, 01:05:11 PM

Quote from: OrbisNonSufficit on March 21, 2012, 10:42:31 AM

Wait, I am confused, dinosaurs were not very smart, did they do this great ocean travel by accident?

I can't imagine the people that mastered boats and populated the South Pacific thousands of years ago were much smarter than dinosaurs. If they could do it in just a matter of a few thousand years, surely it's not too hard to imagine that dinosaurs could have done it in the millions of years they had on the planet.

Thousands of years ago we were still humans, we may not have been as knowledgeable as we are now, and with less emphasis one education we were certainly on average less intelligent, but i am looking at the EQ of the dinosaurs, and frankly its minuscule compared to homo sapiens, monkeys, and dolphines, even elephants.

And you can continue the list: the IQ of dinosaurs was minuscule compared to a dog's, a cat's, a cow's.

Ancient dinosaurs haven't been observed building structures.

Ancient Egyptians have not been observed building structures. Therefore...?