James's theory on dinosaurs

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on March 06, 2011, 03:47:55 PM

Quote from: John Davis on March 06, 2011, 03:19:16 PM

Quote from: General Disarray on March 06, 2011, 02:12:05 PM

Allow me to point out yet again that no one has presented any evidence whatsoever that ancient dinosaurs were capable of building boats and crossing oceans, for the sake of moving this conversation back on topic.

The evidence is the presence of like fossils in separate areas, much like the evidence for continental drift are the presence of like fossils in separate areas.

Except continental drift is also supported by plate tectonics and paleomagnetism.

Indeed.  They are competing theories.  I for one hold plate tectonics and paleomagnetism (in a certain modified form) are a more likely than super intelligent dinosaurs, however there is nothing impossible about dinosaur boats;  its just I would like to see a little more hardy evidence before I talk of it in the zeal others do.

I see no real cause of concern between FET and plate tectonics.

Quote from: John Davis on March 06, 2011, 03:19:16 PM

Quote from: General Disarray on March 06, 2011, 02:12:05 PM

Allow me to point out yet again that no one has presented any evidence whatsoever that ancient dinosaurs were capable of building boats and crossing oceans, for the sake of moving this conversation back on topic.

The evidence is the presence of like fossils in separate areas, much like the evidence for continental drift are the presence of like fossils in separate areas.

The main difference, however, is that continental drift (plate tectonics) can be seen in action.  I don't know of anyone who has ever seen a dinosaur build a ship to cross an ocean.

Quote from: markjo on March 06, 2011, 03:34:18 PM

Quote from: John Davis on March 06, 2011, 03:19:16 PM

Quote from: General Disarray on March 06, 2011, 02:12:05 PM

Allow me to point out yet again that no one has presented any evidence whatsoever that ancient dinosaurs were capable of building boats and crossing oceans, for the sake of moving this conversation back on topic.

The evidence is the presence of like fossils in separate areas, much like the evidence for continental drift are the presence of like fossils in separate areas.

The main difference, however, is that continental drift (plate tectonics) can be seen in action.  I don't know of anyone who has ever seen a dinosaur build a ship to cross an ocean.

Here is a photograph of a dinosaur in a boat which it has built, schooning easily across the water. There are many, many more such examples, and if you watch dinosaurs habitually as they congregate by the side of a body of water, you will no doubt see this occur yourself.

Quote from: markjo on March 06, 2011, 03:34:18 PM

Quote from: John Davis on March 06, 2011, 03:19:16 PM

Quote from: General Disarray on March 06, 2011, 02:12:05 PM

Allow me to point out yet again that no one has presented any evidence whatsoever that ancient dinosaurs were capable of building boats and crossing oceans, for the sake of moving this conversation back on topic.

The evidence is the presence of like fossils in separate areas, much like the evidence for continental drift are the presence of like fossils in separate areas.

The main difference, however, is that continental drift (plate tectonics) can be seen in action.  I don't know of anyone who has ever seen a dinosaur build a ship to cross an ocean.

Here is a photograph of a dinosaur in a boat which it has built, schooning easily across the water. There are many, many more such examples, and if you watch dinosaurs habitually as they congregate by the side of a body of water, you will no doubt see this occur yourself.

Hardly capable of crossing an ocean in that.

Quote from: Horatio on March 07, 2011, 10:39:06 AM

Hardly capable of crossing an ocean in that.

Why?

Quote from: PizzaPlanet on March 07, 2011, 10:42:15 AM

Quote from: Horatio on March 07, 2011, 10:39:06 AM

Hardly capable of crossing an ocean in that.

Why?

Do you seriously think that "craft" is capable of withstanding an ocean voyage?

Allow me to point out yet again that no one has presented any evidence whatsoever that ancient dinosaurs were capable of building boats and crossing oceans, for the sake of moving this conversation back on topic.

Here is video footage of a similar craft under way:

If constructed, I don't know whether the ancient vessels would ever be able to found if they were constructed out of biodegradable materials?

In terms of the physical and mental capacity required, I recall discussions about dinosaurs having limbs and digits with the needed movement and dexterity requirements.

There is also a comparison of modern dinosaurs to ancient dinosaurs for such things as speech and reasoning abilities to support how they could have had a basic intellectual capacity for such tasks.

The span of time since the referenced era is so vast that, as has been stated, anything could have occurred and that all points made in this thread should remain a consideration as to what did occur.  

Why did James propose this theory in the first place? I don't understand its relevance to FET.

Why wouldn't the dinosaurs have built monuments? Empirical evidence shows that human beings build all manner of great monumental constructions all about the place, it would be unreasonable to suppose that the dinosaurs did not do the same. Modern dinosaurs are quite capable of the most ingenious feats of building - of treehouses, boats and other municipal buildings. Why would the ancient dinosaurs be any different?

Nobody is denying, James, that there is a nest on the water. What I am curious about is how we know that the bird did not just build his nest on that board in the water to protect it from predators, rather than the bird using the nest as a method of transportation.

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on March 07, 2011, 11:04:11 PM

Nobody is denying, James, that there is a nest on the water. What I am curious about is how we know that the bird did not just build his nest on that board in the water to protect it from predators, rather than the bird using the nest as a method of transportation.

Does the intent of the dinosaurs really mater?

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on March 07, 2011, 11:04:11 PM

Nobody is denying, James, that there is a nest on the water. What I am curious about is how we know that the bird did not just build his nest on that board in the water to protect it from predators, rather than the bird using the nest as a method of transportation.

Does the intent of the dinosaurs really mater?

Yes, but the same thing could have happened by "dumb luck".  If dinos had often built floating nests of significant size, then it is feasible that some migrated through dumb luck.   

Another idea to look at would be that dinos were frozen and simply floated across where they landed, later melted, and much later were fossilized.

The fact that we can make computers doesn't imply that cavemen could

Quote from: John Davis on March 08, 2011, 07:50:00 PM

Yes, but the same thing could have happened by "dumb luck".  If dinos had often built floating nests of significant size, then it is feasible that some migrated through dumb luck.   

Another idea to look at would be that dinos were frozen and simply floated across where they landed, later melted, and much later were fossilized.

However, this is not what James contends.  James contends deliberate colonization by sea faring dinosaur civilizations.

Quote from: markjo on March 08, 2011, 10:03:30 PM

Quote from: John Davis on March 08, 2011, 07:50:00 PM

Yes, but the same thing could have happened by "dumb luck".  If dinos had often built floating nests of significant size, then it is feasible that some migrated through dumb luck.   

Another idea to look at would be that dinos were frozen and simply floated across where they landed, later melted, and much later were fossilized.

However, this is not what James contends.  James contends deliberate colonization by sea faring dinosaur civilizations.

I know but when you get to the base of the idea itself, it doesn't really matter;  the important thing to note is that there is a possibility of this happen and we need to look for evidence of that;  not evidence of dinosaur intelligence.  Of course, there is the argument that James is wrong about intelligence, but that doesn't defeat the theory, just that mechanism of it.

Quote from: John Davis on March 09, 2011, 10:49:23 AM

Quote from: markjo on March 08, 2011, 10:03:30 PM

Quote from: John Davis on March 08, 2011, 07:50:00 PM

Yes, but the same thing could have happened by "dumb luck".  If dinos had often built floating nests of significant size, then it is feasible that some migrated through dumb luck.   

Another idea to look at would be that dinos were frozen and simply floated across where they landed, later melted, and much later were fossilized.

However, this is not what James contends.  James contends deliberate colonization by sea faring dinosaur civilizations.

I know but when you get to the base of the idea itself, it doesn't really matter;  the important thing to note is that there is a possibility of this happen and we need to look for evidence of that;  not evidence of dinosaur intelligence.  Of course, there is the argument that James is wrong about intelligence, but that doesn't defeat the theory, just that mechanism of it.

James theory is that dinosaurs are intelligent. If dinosaurs weren't intelligent then the theory would be defeated.