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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1140 on: March 04, 2011, 10:07:14 AM »
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on March 01, 2011, 07:23:00 PM
Perhaps dinosaurs have collective consciousness. Yes. I believe that is the case.

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So you now propose something then instantly believe it? Thank you for showing your complete lack of zetetic method in one post.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1141 on: March 04, 2011, 10:11:40 AM »
Quote from: Raist on March 04, 2011, 10:07:14 AM
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on March 01, 2011, 07:23:00 PM
Perhaps dinosaurs have collective consciousness. Yes. I believe that is the case.

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So you now propose something then instantly believe it? Thank you for showing your complete lack of zetetic method in one post.

I rather think of it as a good demonstration of how the "zetetic method" is practiced on this site.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1142 on: March 04, 2011, 06:54:20 PM »
Raist is posting back up in the upper foras?
« Last Edit: March 05, 2011, 11:05:16 PM by EnglshGentleman »
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1143 on: March 04, 2011, 07:18:38 PM »
I propose he probably should stick to the lower fora. Yes. Now I instantly believe that is the case as well. 
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1144 on: March 04, 2011, 10:58:13 PM »
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on March 04, 2011, 07:18:38 PM
I propose he probably should stick to the lower fora. Yes. Now I instantly believe that is the case as well.  

Ichi, your posting in the upper fora has slowly become a disgrace to FE theory. I say this in the most serious manner. Your suggestion of ridiculous ideas without any real evidence harms FE theory in a way that I can no longer tolerate. I will not have a debate with you because I know your methods and know that your insincerity makes you as hard headed as CR90, but I will put forth that you need to reconsider what you are doing. Either return to serious debate or leave the upper fora to people that have something to contribute.

I have abandoned the upper fora simply because the debate has moved from factual to conjecture, and ridiculous conjecture is not my strong suit. I know you are a bit new here, but at a time I was a firm contributor to the upper fora.

As a moderator I would suggest you stop ridiculing me and address my point directly. I suggest you follow your own advice and stick to the lower fora. Being a moderator does not give you the right to spam the upper fora under the guise of sincerity.

Edit: As I recall when you joined this site you mostly stuck to the lower forum, aside from a few debates where you were strictly asking questions you stayed out of the upper fora. The only contribution you have made sense then is to make baseless untestable claims. Please stick to the lower fora with your spam.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1145 on: March 05, 2011, 05:28:45 AM »
Quote from: John Davis on March 04, 2011, 04:54:21 AM
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on March 01, 2011, 07:23:00 PM
Perhaps dinosaurs have collective consciousness. Yes. I believe that is the case.
Thats quite a jump to make within the span of one post.  Why do you think this is the case?

We know for a fact that dinosaurs worked together in building of boats and castles. How could they do so? It is pretty clear that they employed some form of tele-cerebral-communication (TCC) which is beyond our understanding.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1146 on: March 05, 2011, 06:11:19 AM »
Quote from: James on March 01, 2011, 07:28:16 PM
When I see a flock of dinosaurs diving and swerving together in large number in the sky, I am often struck by the extent to which they seem to move with single-minded coordination and purpose, but so too do men when they march about or dance. I conceive that the minds of dinosaurs are linked to the same extent as those of men, that as Jung mentioned they have a cultural collective consciousness, that they have minds of their own but that on occassion these minds may link by way of their mental pathways or their cultural convergences.
I agree James. Even more curious is the social structures and concepts they uphold. Though there may be no physical distinction of territory on a tree, they are still able to recognize ownership of a region up to the inch. This is true across species, new members of the area, and newborn avian dinosaurs. Curious since they are surely not present at 'home' all the time.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1147 on: March 05, 2011, 11:01:41 PM »
Quote from: Raist on March 04, 2011, 10:58:13 PM
Being a moderator does not give you the right to spam the upper fora under the guise of sincerity.

You are right.

Being a member of the Zetetic Council allows him to do that.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1148 on: March 06, 2011, 09:46:19 AM »
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on March 05, 2011, 06:11:19 AM
Quote from: James on March 01, 2011, 07:28:16 PM
When I see a flock of dinosaurs diving and swerving together in large number in the sky, I am often struck by the extent to which they seem to move with single-minded coordination and purpose, but so too do men when they march about or dance. I conceive that the minds of dinosaurs are linked to the same extent as those of men, that as Jung mentioned they have a cultural collective consciousness, that they have minds of their own but that on occassion these minds may link by way of their mental pathways or their cultural convergences.
I agree James. Even more curious is the social structures and concepts they uphold. Though there may be no physical distinction of territory on a tree, they are still able to recognize ownership of a region up to the inch. This is true across species, new members of the area, and newborn avian dinosaurs. Curious since they are surely not present at 'home' all the time.

Using a computer model with a few simple rules allows us to model perfectly avian flocking behavior.

Remember kids, just because you are too stupid to realize how something works, doesn't mean it is done by mind linking.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1149 on: March 06, 2011, 09:49:21 AM »
Actually no computer model has perfectly modeled avian dinosaur behavior.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1150 on: March 06, 2011, 09:50:33 AM »
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on March 06, 2011, 09:49:21 AM
Actually no computer model has perfectly modeled avian dinosaur behavior.

Considering that has nothing to do with what I just said, please stay on topic.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1151 on: March 06, 2011, 09:51:28 AM »
avian dinosaur flocking behavior*
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1152 on: March 06, 2011, 09:52:29 AM »
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on March 06, 2011, 09:51:28 AM
avian dinosaur flocking behavior*

Alright, please prove that no one has ever modeled it.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1153 on: March 06, 2011, 09:53:22 AM »
Quote from: Raist on March 06, 2011, 09:52:29 AM
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on March 06, 2011, 09:51:28 AM
avian dinosaur flocking behavior*

Alright, please prove that no one has ever modeled it.
That has nothing to do with what I have said, please stay on topic.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1154 on: March 06, 2011, 09:55:08 AM »
Quote from: Raist on March 06, 2011, 09:52:29 AM
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on March 06, 2011, 09:51:28 AM
avian dinosaur flocking behavior*

Alright, please prove that no one has ever perfectly modeled it.

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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1155 on: March 06, 2011, 09:55:26 AM »
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on March 06, 2011, 09:53:22 AM
Quote from: Raist on March 06, 2011, 09:52:29 AM
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on March 06, 2011, 09:51:28 AM
avian dinosaur flocking behavior*

Alright, please prove that no one has ever modeled it.
That has nothing to do with what I have said, please stay on topic.

Ah I misread your earlier post my bad.


To clarify, I said a human modeled the behavior on a computer, not that a computer modeled the behavior. Computers don't even understand the concept of bird so that would be ridiculous.

I agree, no computer has modeled the behavior but we understand the basic rules governing their behavior leading to the flocking instinct, or at minimum a set of rules that leads to the same result.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1156 on: March 06, 2011, 09:56:08 AM »
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on March 06, 2011, 09:55:08 AM
Quote from: Raist on March 06, 2011, 09:52:29 AM
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on March 06, 2011, 09:51:28 AM
avian dinosaur flocking behavior*

Alright, please prove that no one has ever perfectly modeled it.

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I never mentioned perfectly modeled it. That is something he brought up for no reason.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1157 on: March 06, 2011, 09:57:44 AM »
Quote from: Raist on March 06, 2011, 09:46:19 AM
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on March 05, 2011, 06:11:19 AM
Quote from: James on March 01, 2011, 07:28:16 PM
When I see a flock of dinosaurs diving and swerving together in large number in the sky, I am often struck by the extent to which they seem to move with single-minded coordination and purpose, but so too do men when they march about or dance. I conceive that the minds of dinosaurs are linked to the same extent as those of men, that as Jung mentioned they have a cultural collective consciousness, that they have minds of their own but that on occassion these minds may link by way of their mental pathways or their cultural convergences.
I agree James. Even more curious is the social structures and concepts they uphold. Though there may be no physical distinction of territory on a tree, they are still able to recognize ownership of a region up to the inch. This is true across species, new members of the area, and newborn avian dinosaurs. Curious since they are surely not present at 'home' all the time.

Using a computer model with a few simple rules allows us to model perfectly avian flocking behavior.

Remember kids, just because you are too stupid to realize how something works, doesn't mean it is done by mind linking.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1158 on: March 06, 2011, 09:59:33 AM »
Modeling avian flocking behavior is not the same as modeling avian behavior.

Either way, Ichi is being intentionally pedantic and obtuse right now.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1159 on: March 06, 2011, 10:00:11 AM »
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on March 06, 2011, 09:57:44 AM
Quote from: Raist on March 06, 2011, 09:46:19 AM
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on March 05, 2011, 06:11:19 AM
Quote from: James on March 01, 2011, 07:28:16 PM
When I see a flock of dinosaurs diving and swerving together in large number in the sky, I am often struck by the extent to which they seem to move with single-minded coordination and purpose, but so too do men when they march about or dance. I conceive that the minds of dinosaurs are linked to the same extent as those of men, that as Jung mentioned they have a cultural collective consciousness, that they have minds of their own but that on occassion these minds may link by way of their mental pathways or their cultural convergences.
I agree James. Even more curious is the social structures and concepts they uphold. Though there may be no physical distinction of territory on a tree, they are still able to recognize ownership of a region up to the inch. This is true across species, new members of the area, and newborn avian dinosaurs. Curious since they are surely not present at 'home' all the time.

Using a computer model with a few simple rules allows us to model perfectly avian flocking behavior.

Remember kids, just because you are too stupid to realize how something works, doesn't mean it is done by mind linking.

Oh yes, you also dropped out the whole "flocking" part of it.

You are now up to the level of parsifal on debating. Peace.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1160 on: March 06, 2011, 10:00:39 AM »
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on March 06, 2011, 09:51:28 AM
avian dinosaur flocking behavior*
hence my above change  ::)
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1161 on: March 06, 2011, 02:12:05 PM »
Allow me to point out yet again that no one has presented any evidence whatsoever that ancient dinosaurs were capable of building boats and crossing oceans, for the sake of moving this conversation back on topic.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1162 on: March 06, 2011, 02:19:14 PM »
Why did James propose this theory in the first place? I don't understand its relevance to FET.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1163 on: March 06, 2011, 02:20:20 PM »
Quote from: Around And About on March 06, 2011, 02:19:14 PM
Why did James propose this theory in the first place? I don't understand its relevance to FET.

It explained something about fossils of dinosaurs being found somewhere or something. Oh yeah the continents moving.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1164 on: March 06, 2011, 03:00:39 PM »
Quote from: Around And About on March 06, 2011, 02:19:14 PM
Why did James propose this theory in the first place? I don't understand its relevance to FET.

Why dinosaur fossils are found on separate land masses if they don't move.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1165 on: March 06, 2011, 03:19:16 PM »
Quote from: General Disarray on March 06, 2011, 02:12:05 PM
Allow me to point out yet again that no one has presented any evidence whatsoever that ancient dinosaurs were capable of building boats and crossing oceans, for the sake of moving this conversation back on topic.
The evidence is the presence of like fossils in separate areas, much like the evidence for continental drift are the presence of like fossils in separate areas.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1166 on: March 06, 2011, 03:34:18 PM »
Quote from: John Davis on March 06, 2011, 03:19:16 PM
Quote from: General Disarray on March 06, 2011, 02:12:05 PM
Allow me to point out yet again that no one has presented any evidence whatsoever that ancient dinosaurs were capable of building boats and crossing oceans, for the sake of moving this conversation back on topic.
The evidence is the presence of like fossils in separate areas, much like the evidence for continental drift are the presence of like fossils in separate areas.
The main difference, however, is that continental drift (plate tectonics) can be seen in action.  I don't know of anyone who has ever seen a dinosaur build a ship to cross an ocean.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1167 on: March 06, 2011, 03:42:10 PM »
Quote from: John Davis on March 06, 2011, 03:19:16 PM
much like the evidence for continental drift are the presence of like fossils in separate areas.

Incorrect.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1168 on: March 06, 2011, 03:47:55 PM »
Quote from: John Davis on March 06, 2011, 03:19:16 PM
Quote from: General Disarray on March 06, 2011, 02:12:05 PM
Allow me to point out yet again that no one has presented any evidence whatsoever that ancient dinosaurs were capable of building boats and crossing oceans, for the sake of moving this conversation back on topic.
The evidence is the presence of like fossils in separate areas, much like the evidence for continental drift are the presence of like fossils in separate areas.

Except continental drift is also supported by plate tectonics and paleomagnetism.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1169 on: March 06, 2011, 04:02:44 PM »
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on March 06, 2011, 03:47:55 PM
Quote from: John Davis on March 06, 2011, 03:19:16 PM
Quote from: General Disarray on March 06, 2011, 02:12:05 PM
Allow me to point out yet again that no one has presented any evidence whatsoever that ancient dinosaurs were capable of building boats and crossing oceans, for the sake of moving this conversation back on topic.
The evidence is the presence of like fossils in separate areas, much like the evidence for continental drift are the presence of like fossils in separate areas.

Except continental drift is also supported by plate tectonics and paleomagnetism.
Indeed.  They are competing theories.  I for one hold plate tectonics and paleomagnetism (in a certain modified form) are a more likely than super intelligent dinosaurs, however there is nothing impossible about dinosaur boats;  its just I would like to see a little more hardy evidence before I talk of it in the zeal others do.
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