The Lit Portion of the Earth Disagrees with FE.

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The Lit Portion of the Earth Disagrees with FE.
« on: October 28, 2009, 07:29:11 PM »
There was a thread by some guy a little while ago--he kept saying the sun would have to have a lampshade to work.  He was using pretty much the argument I'm going to post, but he didn't explain it very well from what I remember.

What shape will the light from the Sun make on the ground?  It would make sense if it was a circle.  But, if you map the actual lit portion the world on an FE map, it definitely isn't a circle.  On an equinox, a semicircle is lit up.  It's actually worse when it's Summer in the Southern Hemisphere because there is a ring of light around Antarctica (Ice Wall).

What could possibly explain this in FE?
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Parsifal

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Re: The Lit Portion of the Earth Disagrees with FE.
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2009, 09:42:56 PM »
The sky mirror.
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Re: The Lit Portion of the Earth Disagrees with FE.
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2009, 09:43:22 PM »
Here are some animations I did a while ago for something else.

To be honest, I'm not a big supporter of that geographic model anyway, but I lack the time and computer skills to do an animation of my own.

If I recall, he likes the idea that Antarctica as a continent exists, which isn't such a bad idea.  Here are a few rough animations of the sun's orbit:



Note that this is simply an azimuthal projection and does not accurately represent the Flat Earth or the orbit of the sun.
I don't know what you're implying, but you're probably wrong.

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Ejak2021

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Re: The Lit Portion of the Earth Disagrees with FE.
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2009, 09:53:28 PM »
Here are some animations I did a while ago for something else.

I remember seeing those, but I forgot who made them, and didn't know if anyone would know what I was talking about if I asked for them.  Unfortunately that isn't the usual FE map.  It would be even more screwed up on that one, I bet.

Also, the regular FE map is an azimuthal projection too, isn't it?  Just centered at the North Pole. 
I've been meaning to make a satire thread about how FE accurately predicts distances, but only using points situated directly North/South of each other.  Just so ya' know.

@ Parsifal:  I said "explain."  Okay technically, I asked what could explain, but would you mind explaining anyway?  This is Debate & Discussion.
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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2009, 09:55:45 PM »
I could make those too.  It'll take me a while though.  Give me a couple of days.
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Ejak2021

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Re: The Lit Portion of the Earth Disagrees with FE.
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2009, 10:00:21 PM »
I could make those too.  It'll take me a while though.  Give me a couple of days.
If you want to.  They aren't really necessary to explain--it's pretty easy to visualize.

I wonder if there is a program that can show azimuthal projections through the day-night cycle?

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Re: The Lit Portion of the Earth Disagrees with FE.
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2009, 10:07:11 PM »
@ Parsifal:  I said "explain."  Okay technically, I asked what could explain, but would you mind explaining anyway?  This is Debate & Discussion.

There is a mirror in the sky which reflect sunlight onto the far side of the Earth during the southern summer.
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Ejak2021

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Re: The Lit Portion of the Earth Disagrees with FE.
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2009, 10:11:50 PM »
@ Parsifal:  I said "explain."  Okay technically, I asked what could explain, but would you mind explaining anyway?  This is Debate & Discussion.

There is a mirror in the sky which reflect sunlight onto the far side of the Earth during the southern summer.
How does it change its orientation to shine on different parts of the Earth during the course of a year?  How large is it? What's it made of?  What supports it?  How do you know it exists besides the Earth is flat, so it can't be that the Earth is round?  How do you know it isn't Jesus that makes it happen?


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« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2009, 10:15:27 PM »
How does it change its orientation to shine on different parts of the Earth during the course of a year?

It doesn't. The Sun changes its position, and the reflected light has a different orientation accordingly.

How large is it?

About as large as the inhabited Earth.

What's it made of?

Unknown.

What supports it?

The UA.

How do you know it exists besides the Earth is flat, so it can't be that the Earth is round?

I thought we were discussing FET?

How do you know it isn't Jesus that makes it happen?

I don't.
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Ejak2021

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Re: The Lit Portion of the Earth Disagrees with FE.
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2009, 10:23:58 PM »
Okay so right now, FE doesn't have an explanation.  It has an idea for a possible explanation, but it hasn't really been developed at all.

Oh, and I was referencing when...is it Matrix that says that?  Everyone switches usernames and avatars and it confuses me. :(

Well, somebody says basically, "The Earth is flat, therefore the RE explanation can't be correct, so there must be an explanation that works with FE."

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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2009, 10:28:43 PM »
Your question was:

What could possibly explain this in FE?

If you don't like the answers you get, don't ask the questions.
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Ejak2021

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Re: The Lit Portion of the Earth Disagrees with FE.
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2009, 10:48:47 PM »
If you don't like the answers you get, don't ask the questions.
So, you're saying I shouldn't ask anything on these forums, because I won't get a good answer?

As I've said, this is "Debate & Discussion," so I figured I could discuss any answers given in this thread.  If I only wanted an answer, I would've posted in Q&C.

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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2009, 11:10:37 PM »
So, you're saying I shouldn't ask anything on these forums, because I won't get a good answer?

As I've said, this is "Debate & Discussion," so I figured I could discuss any answers given in this thread.  If I only wanted an answer, I would've posted in Q&C.

Just don't accuse me of saying things like "the Earth is flat, therefore there must be a sky mirror".
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Re: The Lit Portion of the Earth Disagrees with FE.
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2009, 03:23:00 AM »
Steve, admit it, the "Sky mirror" is utter nonsense, that you made up in the absence of anything remotely plausible.

There is absolutely no proof, no shred of evidence, not even anything that remotely suggests this mirror actually exists, and you have no idea how it would even work.

I thought the sun was a "spotlamp" shining down? Therefore the mirror is at a lower altitude than the sun? Explain then how it distributes the light, and why we cannot see it please.

Otherwise, keep that sort of nonsense away from the upper, serious discussion fora.

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Re: The Lit Portion of the Earth Disagrees with FE.
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2009, 04:40:23 AM »
I thought the sun was a "spotlamp" shining down? Therefore the mirror is at a lower altitude than the sun? Explain then how it distributes the light, and why we cannot see it please.

The sky mirror theory only works with a spherical Sun and bendy light.
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Re: The Lit Portion of the Earth Disagrees with FE.
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2009, 04:41:53 AM »
So do you believe the sun is spherical?

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Parsifal

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Re: The Lit Portion of the Earth Disagrees with FE.
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2009, 04:42:51 AM »
So do you believe the sun is spherical?

My beliefs are irrelevant in this thread.
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« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2009, 04:46:13 AM »
I thought the sun was a "spotlamp" shining down? Therefore the mirror is at a lower altitude than the sun? Explain then how it distributes the light, and why we cannot see it please.

The sky mirror theory only works with a spherical Sun and bendy light.

When is the next fly by of the anti-sun so that when the next solar eclipse happens I can know where to be so I can see the back side of the sun reflected in the sky mirror?
"We know that the sun is 93 million miles away and takes up 5 degrees of the sky.

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Re: The Lit Portion of the Earth Disagrees with FE.
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2009, 04:54:19 AM »
When is the next fly by of the anti-sun so that when the next solar eclipse happens I can know where to be so I can see the back side of the sun reflected in the sky mirror?

What is an anti-sun?
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« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2009, 05:04:03 AM »
So do you believe the sun is spherical?

My beliefs are irrelevant in this thread.

No they're not. They're very relevant to this discussion.

If you believe the sun is spherical, you're a liar, as you've previously stated it acts as a spotlight, and if you believe it acts as a spotlight, you're admitting that the "sky mirror" doesn't work.

Which is it?

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Re: The Lit Portion of the Earth Disagrees with FE.
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2009, 05:16:20 AM »
No they're not. They're very relevant to this discussion.

If you believe the sun is spherical, you're a liar, as you've previously stated it acts as a spotlight, and if you believe it acts as a spotlight, you're admitting that the "sky mirror" doesn't work.

Which is it?

My beliefs are irrelevant in this thread.
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Re: The Lit Portion of the Earth Disagrees with FE.
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2009, 05:20:40 AM »
For someone so clever, you're rather dumb.

I explained why they are relevant. How can you possibly expect anyone to take anything you say seriously, when you contradict yourself so?

Now, either answer the question, or admit you're a hypocritical liar.

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« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2009, 05:23:54 AM »
For someone so clever, you're rather dumb.

I explained why they are relevant. How can you possibly expect anyone to take anything you say seriously, when you contradict yourself so?

Now, either answer the question, or admit you're a hypocritical liar.

My beliefs are irrelevant in this thread.
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Re: The Lit Portion of the Earth Disagrees with FE.
« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2009, 05:37:16 AM »
Fair enough, at least now that i've pointed it out, everyone can see what a hypocritical liar you are.

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Re: The Lit Portion of the Earth Disagrees with FE.
« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2009, 07:00:45 AM »
My beliefs are irrelevant in this thread.
So you admit that you don't believe anything that you are saying in this thread?  If you don't believe any of it, then why should we?
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Re: The Lit Portion of the Earth Disagrees with FE.
« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2009, 07:04:55 AM »
So you admit that you don't believe anything that you are saying in this thread?

My beliefs are irrelevant in this thread.
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« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2009, 07:49:30 AM »
He actually thinks he's being funny. He thinks this pathetic show is him "winning" the debate.

This entire forum is based upon beliefs. If your beliefs are not relevant here, where are they relevant?

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Re: The Lit Portion of the Earth Disagrees with FE.
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2009, 07:58:27 AM »
This entire forum is based upon beliefs.

No, it is based on the discussion of Flat Earth theory. What I believe is irrelevant to my ability to discuss different theories.

If your beliefs are not relevant here, where are they relevant?

In any thread where personal beliefs enter into the topic at hand.
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« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2009, 08:13:34 AM »
Until you can prove to me that a sky mirror exists, it is merely a belief.

Therefore, you brought personal beliefs into this discussion.

And you're telling me the forum is not based on belief of a FE?

So if no-one in the world believed in FE, this forum would still exist?

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Re: The Lit Portion of the Earth Disagrees with FE.
« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2009, 08:17:39 AM »
Until you can prove to me that a sky mirror exists, it is merely a belief.

Therefore, you brought personal beliefs into this discussion.

No, it is a hypothesis. Whether or not I believe it does not affect its validity, nor does it affect my ability to give it consideration.

And you're telling me the forum is not based on belief of a FE?

So if no-one in the world believed in FE, this forum would still exist?

Irrelevant.
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