Streaming Satellite Images

http://earthnow.usgs.gov/earthnow_app.html?sessionId=c2d8fd987946db4d5c376ed4680c75de40517

The above link will send you to the EarthNow! java application produced by the USGS.  It shows either live streaming data from Landsat 7 or recently acquired images (within 24 hours of a pass) from Landsat 5.  It shows 30m resolution images (250m x 250m) over North America.

Point 1: All of these images and time stamps are completely concurrent with weather conditions (namely cloud cover) that are visible from the ground (for anyone residing in the States or Canada, of which I am included).

Point 2: Another thing to note about these images is possible distortions (as an FE'er may retort: "those are just aerial photographs!"):  A common problem with aerial photography is distortion caused by atmospheric conditions that cause the airplane to vary its altitude or shift its orientation (referred to as 'Roll', 'Crab', and 'Pitch' distortion).  Anyone with moderate capabilities in remote sensing image analysis would be able to tell that the images generated from EarthNow! do not contain these distortions; especially considering they are continuous images spanning several thousand kilometers.

Frankly, I believe the issue of satellites to be the Achilles heel of the FE position and it is not nearly discussed enough in this forum.  I have seen some [partially] intelligent discussion in the realm of physics on these forums, but the point still remains that FET rests on the back of denial and nihilism (two positions that would have you laughed out of any serious scientific conference or discussion as well as the reason you will never be taken seriously).  I consider these discussions to be an exercise in frivolity when the aforementioned issue is at hand.

So, here it is: I challenge any proponent of FE to provide any anomaly in the available satellite data sets (and there are thousands to choose from, all free to the public) that would cast even a single shred of doubt on their legitimacy.

Arguments I inherently reject off the top:

1) Prove satellites exist.
a: *face palm*

2) Satellites can't be real because if they were the Earth wouldn't be flat.
a: Exactly, hence round Earth.

3) There is no such thing as truth.
a: Nihilism is for cowards and/or retarded people.

   
Bring it on!

I have just looked at the faked image for some time.

The writing on the clouds seems a little unlikely.

I have just looked at the faked image for some time.

The writing on the clouds seems a little unlikely.

Wow.  *sigh* ...The 'writing on the clouds' (which also appears on land with no cloud cover) would be the location of urban centers that are used as a point of reference for the viewer; as this applet was developed for viewing by the public.  These can easily be checked for correctness by simple georeferencing using a GIS (geographic information system) against a topomap that was surveyed from the ground. 

As the Landsat satellites have geopositioning sensors (which is not the topic of discussion here and I wish to say nothing further about), it is entirely plausible that these locations could be streamed as data with the images in real time (gawrsh, them computer programmers is smart! derrrrrr).

Having said all of that there are now two ways to check for verification which require no background knowledge in image analysis:  Check the images that stream in real time against doppler radar images which, are also provided in real time, that show climatic weather patterns.  Once you've verified they are correct, check the images against street maps to show the position of the urban centers are correct.  Voila.

Spanner, Your reply did not deserve a lengthy response as it did not address my OP or the challenge within, by me, in the slightest. As it was a first reply I will entertain it in the interest of getting the discussion started, but I will not address doltish remarks in the future with anything more than vexation followed by sarcasm.  You have been forewarned.     
     

Quote from: spanner34.5 on October 24, 2009, 02:17:39 AM

I have just looked at the faked image for some time.

The writing on the clouds seems a little unlikely.

Wow.  *sigh* ...The 'writing on the clouds' (which also appears on land with no cloud cover) would be the location of urban centers that are used as a point of reference for the viewer; as this applet was developed for viewing by the public.  These can easily be checked for correctness by simple georeferencing using a GIS (geographic information system) against a topomap that was surveyed from the ground. 

As the Landsat satellites have geopositioning sensors (which is not the topic of discussion here and I wish to say nothing further about), it is entirely plausible that these locations could be streamed as data with the images in real time (gawrsh, them computer programmers is smart! derrrrrr).

Having said all of that there are now two ways to check for verification which require no background knowledge in image analysis:  Check the images that stream in real time against doppler radar images which, are also provided in real time, that show climatic weather patterns.  Once you've verified they are correct, check the images against street maps to show the position of the urban centers are correct.  Voila.

Spanner, Your reply did not deserve a lengthy response as it did not address my OP or the challenge within, by me, in the slightest. As it was a first reply I will entertain it in the interest of getting the discussion started, but I will not address doltish remarks in the future with anything more than vexation followed by sarcasm.  You have been forewarned.     
     

My point is that the images have been doctored, as you have just confirmed.

Spanner, Your reply did not deserve a lengthy response as it did not address my OP or the challenge within, by me, in the slightest. As it was a first reply I will entertain it in the interest of getting the discussion started, but I will not address doltish remarks in the future with anything more than vexation followed by sarcasm.  You have been forewarned.     
     

Thombaugh is my kind of scum, fearless and inventive. 

Spanner, if you can't tell the difference between "doctoring" and "annotation" then you have no business commenting on a thread about imaging.

The point is, Spanner, that you can check how accurate these satellite images are by comparing them with more real time data.  A small amount of annotation, so one knows where to look, is not making that impossible.

All I see is white nothingness.

Quote from: Thombaugh on October 24, 2009, 05:55:04 AM

Quote from: spanner34.5 on October 24, 2009, 02:17:39 AM

I have just looked at the faked image for some time.

The writing on the clouds seems a little unlikely.

Wow.  *sigh* ...The 'writing on the clouds' (which also appears on land with no cloud cover) would be the location of urban centers that are used as a point of reference for the viewer; as this applet was developed for viewing by the public.  These can easily be checked for correctness by simple georeferencing using a GIS (geographic information system) against a topomap that was surveyed from the ground. 

As the Landsat satellites have geopositioning sensors (which is not the topic of discussion here and I wish to say nothing further about), it is entirely plausible that these locations could be streamed as data with the images in real time (gawrsh, them computer programmers is smart! derrrrrr).

Having said all of that there are now two ways to check for verification which require no background knowledge in image analysis:  Check the images that stream in real time against doppler radar images which, are also provided in real time, that show climatic weather patterns.  Once you've verified they are correct, check the images against street maps to show the position of the urban centers are correct.  Voila.

Spanner, Your reply did not deserve a lengthy response as it did not address my OP or the challenge within, by me, in the slightest. As it was a first reply I will entertain it in the interest of getting the discussion started, but I will not address doltish remarks in the future with anything more than vexation followed by sarcasm.  You have been forewarned.     
     

My point is that the images have been doctored, as you have just confirmed.

*head explodes* [vexation]...

...*head re-coalesces and sparks an idea*...

So the massive global conspiracy now can doctor satellite images in real time (and by doctor I mean generate completely from scratch, because to suggest they had just been altered would be an admission that satellites existed in the first place).  They have super computers that can create these incredibly massive digital images over an imaginary satellite route that show the exact topography and cloud patterns that are generated from doppler radar at the surface at the same exact instant! 

How they do this you might ask?  Well, thats exactly the point!  They can't do it, which is how they CAN do it!!  Or they have time travel capabilities, which is equally as plausible.  [sarcasm]

Spanner, I've also created some annotation of my own since in the area of understanding you seem to be significantly underdeveloped.  I just wanted to clarify which one was vexation and which was sarcasm for you.  Perhaps you'll tell me that my sentences were doctored as well. 

Quote from: Thombaugh on October 24, 2009, 05:55:04 AM

Spanner, Your reply did not deserve a lengthy response as it did not address my OP or the challenge within, by me, in the slightest. As it was a first reply I will entertain it in the interest of getting the discussion started, but I will not address doltish remarks in the future with anything more than vexation followed by sarcasm.  You have been forewarned.     
     

Thombaugh is my kind of scum, fearless and inventive. 

Spanner, if you can't tell the difference between "doctoring" and "annotation" then you have no business commenting on a thread about imaging.

Thermal Detonator, its a pleasure to have you here on this thread!  I've thoroughly enjoyed reading your wholesale dismantling of 'bendy light' with your analogy from altitude, diagrams included.   It's a laughable notion to begin with (considering satellites as a reality) and to see it collapse in on itself is very entertaining!  

Cheers!!  

Quote from: Thombaugh on October 24, 2009, 09:21:14 AM

*head explodes* [vexation]...

Pst. They like it when you get wound up. Not sure why. Maybe they weren't breast fed.

Haha!  I know it.  It's all part of my plan; whatever attracts more FE'ers here, I'm in.  The threads on satellites tend to die off pretty quickly because their existence makes things too convincing for RET.  Plus I'm an attention whore; especially when I have the goods. 

Apparently this topic isn't up for debate according to site administrators.  When you backhandedly move my topic and delete posts from the thread you're basically telling me that I've treaded into dangerous territory and are afraid of the exposure.

Thank you for the confirmation!

Yes, bringing actual proof into the forum is like bringing a live tiger to a dinner party - it makes them uneasy.

Apparently this topic isn't up for debate according to site administrators.  When you backhandedly move my topic and delete posts from the thread you're basically telling me that I've treaded into dangerous territory and are afraid of the exposure.

Thank you for the confirmation!

It was probably the conspiracy.

I for one think it's a testament to humanity that we have developed computers and machinery that can be launched into space and actually orbit a planet.  We have come a long way as a species.

  Come on, guys! 

This thread has a lot of views and is completely lacking in posts from anyone that has an opposing view.  If you are going to remain steadfast in your assertions that FET is a reality then I would expect that you to not shy away from compelling, and contradictory evidence; rather take it head on in an effort to present this forum with the slightest bit of integrity (a long shot, I know  ). 

Quote from: spanner34.5 on October 24, 2009, 06:33:50 AM

Quote from: Thombaugh on October 24, 2009, 05:55:04 AM

Quote from: spanner34.5 on October 24, 2009, 02:17:39 AM

I have just looked at the faked image for some time.

The writing on the clouds seems a little unlikely.

Wow.  *sigh* ...The 'writing on the clouds' (which also appears on land with no cloud cover) would be the location of urban centers that are used as a point of reference for the viewer; as this applet was developed for viewing by the public.  These can easily be checked for correctness by simple georeferencing using a GIS (geographic information system) against a topomap that was surveyed from the ground. 

As the Landsat satellites have geopositioning sensors (which is not the topic of discussion here and I wish to say nothing further about), it is entirely plausible that these locations could be streamed as data with the images in real time (gawrsh, them computer programmers is smart! derrrrrr).

Having said all of that there are now two ways to check for verification which require no background knowledge in image analysis:  Check the images that stream in real time against doppler radar images which, are also provided in real time, that show climatic weather patterns.  Once you've verified they are correct, check the images against street maps to show the position of the urban centers are correct.  Voila.

Spanner, Your reply did not deserve a lengthy response as it did not address my OP or the challenge within, by me, in the slightest. As it was a first reply I will entertain it in the interest of getting the discussion started, but I will not address doltish remarks in the future with anything more than vexation followed by sarcasm.  You have been forewarned.     
     

My point is that the images have been doctored, as you have just confirmed.

*head explodes* [vexation]...

...*head re-coalesces and sparks an idea*...

So the massive global conspiracy now can doctor satellite images in real time (and by doctor I mean generate completely from scratch, because to suggest they had just been altered would be an admission that satellites existed in the first place).  They have super computers that can create these incredibly massive digital images over an imaginary satellite route that show the exact topography and cloud patterns that are generated from doppler radar at the surface at the same exact instant! 

How they do this you might ask?  Well, thats exactly the point!  They can't do it, which is how they CAN do it!!  Or they have time travel capabilities, which is equally as plausible.  [sarcasm]

Spanner, I've also created some annotation of my own since in the area of understanding you seem to be significantly underdeveloped.  I just wanted to clarify which one was vexation and which was sarcasm for you.  Perhaps you'll tell me that my sentences were doctored as well. 

Red writing So far, I have seen no images in real time.More red writing

Red writing So far, I have seen no images in real time.More red writing
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Well then, come back at the time when it tells you the next live pass is. It does work.
And keep the low content sarcasm out of this forum please. The rest of us get Davis slapping our wrists for things like that.

Anyone watched this thing traverse anywhere but n America?

It seems that it only works over this part of the continent and no-where else.

I've looked at a little"live feed", not convinced at all.

Just before the film roll got to a place called florence, the satellite stopped for several seconds, then accelerated to approx double speed for a few seconds, then reverted to normal speed.

If this is a true live feed.......How is this possible?  Unless, maybe it is a film roll and the handle jammed.green writing.

I've looked at a little"live feed", not convinced at all.

Just before the film roll got to a place called florence, the satellite stopped for several seconds, then accelerated to approx double speed for a few seconds, then reverted to normal speed.

If this is a true live feed.......How is this possible?  Unless, maybe it is a film roll and the handle jammed.green writing.

Because delays can be caused in the process of transmitting the data through your ISP to your computer. I suppose your internet connection speed never varies does it?

Anyone watched this thing traverse anywhere but n America?

It seems that it only works over this part of the continent and no-where else.

In my OP I said this was only over North America.  This data is provided by the USGS (United States Geological Survey).  I'm not sure what the rationale for streaming live images of Europe or China on the USGS site would be. 

There is also the issue of international satellite imaging laws.  I don't think that streaming images of other countries live on the internet without their express permission would do anything positive for international relations.

I've looked at a little"live feed", not convinced at all.

Just before the film roll got to a place called florence, the satellite stopped for several seconds, then accelerated to approx double speed for a few seconds, then reverted to normal speed.

If this is a true live feed.......How is this possible?  Unless, maybe it is a film roll and the handle jammed.green writing.

Look, you're really not getting the point here.  Again, there is a simple test for verification and you're mistaking glitches in either your ISP or the USGS server with forgery.  Check the live images against Doppler radar.  I'm completely serious; do it!  If you do that and find some inconsistencies, then by all means, share them with the forum.  Otherwise, go be lazy and fatuous somewhere else.

And this needs to be said: A film roll and a handle?!   What is this, 1893?  So the multi-billion dollar conspiracy now includes an 82 year old man turning a crank in a basement somewhere, which is then broadcast on the internet?  You are delectable, Sir...  Just delectable.

It's interesting to see the lack of discussion from the FE side when a post can't be answered by simply stating lurk moar or read the FAQ.  This seems to be the type of post FE should jump at seeing as how tired they are with people who just bring up topics that have already been answered.  Anyway, great post.  I'll keep checking back to see how this is explained on a flat earth.

I am not going to waste any more of my time watching a poor nasa fake.

My most recent viewing clearly showed a horizontal, perfectly straight, line across the film roll, with a distinct colour change above and below the line.

Geographically impossible.

I am not going to waste any more of my time watching a poor nasa fake.

My most recent viewing clearly showed a horizontal, perfectly straight, line across the film roll, with a distinct colour change above and below the line.

Geographically impossible.

If it was a fake, why would they draw a straight line across it? It might be geographically impossible but of course it's not technologically impossible for a glitch to happen  or setting to have been changed at some point during the pass.

I am not going to waste any more of my time watching a poor nasa fake.

My most recent viewing clearly showed a horizontal, perfectly straight, line across the film roll, with a distinct colour change above and below the line.

Geographically impossible.

Your analytical capabilities are pathetic and you still haven't tested the images against doppler radar.  I agree, you should not waste your time anymore.

I'd hate to see this thread move to the second page without a worthwhile response.   

I'd hate to see this thread move to the second page without a worthwhile response.   

To late.

Quote from: Part of the Problem on October 28, 2009, 11:42:13 AM

I'd hate to see this thread move to the second page without a worthwhile response.   

Too late.

It's disappointing to see the lack of FE activity in this thread.

Quote from: f4Gg0t_43 on October 28, 2009, 11:43:24 AM

Quote from: Part of the Problem on October 28, 2009, 11:42:13 AM

I'd hate to see this thread move to the second page without a worthwhile response.   

Too late.

It's disappointing to see the lack of FE activity in this thread.

I couldn't agree more, but at the same time I'm thrilled that no FE believer has anything rational to say on this.  I knew it would be a topic that would be difficult to attack because they would have to start expanding the conspiracy to weather stations and reporters.  If a weather reporter shows a storm front on the screen and says 'It is going to rain today here, here and here', there is a more than fair chance it is going to happen.  The predictability of weather patterns on an instantaneous or recent (1-2 days) basis is pretty accurate.  Comparing that to satellite images that are live, thats a pretty tough argument to go up against.

I just hope this will stay on the front page and keep getting views.  The more it stays on the main page with no answer, the more ridiculous the FES looks!   

Quote from: Part of the Problem on October 29, 2009, 01:12:40 PM

Quote from: f4Gg0t_43 on October 28, 2009, 11:43:24 AM

Quote from: Part of the Problem on October 28, 2009, 11:42:13 AM

I'd hate to see this thread move to the second page without a worthwhile response.   

Too late.

It's disappointing to see the lack of FE activity in this thread.

I couldn't agree more, but at the same time I'm thrilled that no FE believer has anything rational to say on this.  I knew it would be a topic that would be difficult to attack because they would have to start expanding the conspiracy to weather stations and reporters.  If a weather reporter shows a storm front on the screen and says 'It is going to rain today here, here and here', there is a more than fair chance it is going to happen.  The predictability of weather patterns on an instantaneous or recent (1-2 days) basis is pretty accurate.  Comparing that to satellite images that are live, thats a pretty tough argument to go up against.

I just hope this will stay on the front page and keep getting views.  The more it stays on the main page with no answer, the more ridiculous the FES looks!   

I was kind of looking forward to the creative (irrational) ways they would try to debunk it.