infinite plane?

Quote from: Flat_Idontthinkso on October 11, 2009, 07:25:45 PM

so where do the plates shift to?  wouldn't they just fall off the edge of the earth?  If so why haven't the continents fallen off also.

The earth is an infinite plane. There is no way they can "fall off"

If it is an infinite plane how can you represent it with a map?

The same way you can have a map of london, or paris, or washington dc.

The same way you can have a map of london, or paris, or washington dc.

How are these places infinite?

If it is an infinite plane how can you represent it with a map?

We represent the known inhabited portion of it with a map.

Quote from: Flat_Idontthinkso on October 11, 2009, 07:25:45 PM

so where do the plates shift to?  wouldn't they just fall off the edge of the earth?  If so why haven't the continents fallen off also.

The earth is an infinite plane. There is no way they can "fall off"

If the earth was infinite, mass would be infinite, therefore gravity infinite (gravity increases with mass - of ANY object)

This clearly breaks any law of physics, the universe would collapse into itself.

Quote from: Its a Sphere on October 14, 2009, 07:56:16 AM

If it is an infinite plane how can you represent it with a map?

We represent the known inhabited portion of it with a map.

Then how did the ice wall get on there if no one has ever been there or seen it?

And agreeing with the above, if A (Area) would be infinite, then mass too would be infinite.  Are you suggesting that the earth has infinite mass?

I can almost hear there keyboards googling away, trying to find any way out.

If the earth was infinite, mass would be infinite, therefore gravity infinite (gravity increases with mass - of ANY object)

This clearly breaks any law of physics, the universe would collapse into itself.

No.

Then how did the ice wall get on there if no one has ever been there or seen it?

They have; it's commonly referred to as "Antarctica".

And agreeing with the above, if A (Area) would be infinite, then mass too would be infinite.  Are you suggesting that the earth has infinite mass?

Yes.

Quote from: mtarlo11 on October 14, 2009, 08:41:26 AM

If the earth was infinite, mass would be infinite, therefore gravity infinite (gravity increases with mass - of ANY object)

This clearly breaks any law of physics, the universe would collapse into itself.

No.

Quote from: Its a Sphere on October 14, 2009, 08:45:03 AM

And agreeing with the above, if A (Area) would be infinite, then mass too would be infinite.  Are you suggesting that the earth has infinite mass?

Yes.

Wow you really have reduced yourself to that hey? Gravity is proportional to mass. No matter how you take it. You agreed the Earth has infinite mass, therefore infinite gravity, and infinite energy.
Maybe come back to support yourself with at least one equation or statement....anything even. and we can discuss further if you like.

But at the moment the whole FE theory has been de bunked.

Wow you really have reduced yourself to that hey? Gravity is proportional to mass. No matter how you take it. You agreed the Earth has infinite mass, therefore infinite gravity, and infinite energy.
Maybe come back to support yourself with at least one equation or statement....anything even. and we can discuss further if you like.

Gravitation is directional. Infinite mass on one side, and infinite mass on the other side in the same distribution will result in zero net gravitation.

Quote from: mtarlo11 on October 14, 2009, 09:38:54 AM

Wow you really have reduced yourself to that hey? Gravity is proportional to mass. No matter how you take it. You agreed the Earth has infinite mass, therefore infinite gravity, and infinite energy.
Maybe come back to support yourself with at least one equation or statement....anything even. and we can discuss further if you like.

Gravitation is directional. Infinite mass on one side, and infinite mass on the other side in the same distribution will result in zero net gravitation.

Is that a serious statement? I don't even know what trying to say? If we had equal infinite gravity all around us, we would be crushed into 1 dimension.
 

Quote from: Parsifal on October 14, 2009, 09:43:11 AM

Quote from: mtarlo11 on October 14, 2009, 09:38:54 AM

Wow you really have reduced yourself to that hey? Gravity is proportional to mass. No matter how you take it. You agreed the Earth has infinite mass, therefore infinite gravity, and infinite energy.
Maybe come back to support yourself with at least one equation or statement....anything even. and we can discuss further if you like.

Gravitation is directional. Infinite mass on one side, and infinite mass on the other side in the same distribution will result in zero net gravitation.

Is that a serious statement? I don't even know what trying to say? If we had equal infinite gravity all around us, we would be crushed into 1 dimension.

lrn2read. gravitation != gravity.

Is that a serious statement? I don't even know what trying to say? If we had equal infinite gravity all around us, we would be crushed into 1 dimension.

Imagine you and a friend are holding onto either side of a rope. You are pulling one way, and your friend is pulling the other way with equal force. What is the net force on the rope?

Quote from: mtarlo11 on October 14, 2009, 09:50:48 AM

Is that a serious statement? I don't even know what trying to say? If we had equal infinite gravity all around us, we would be crushed into 1 dimension.

Imagine you and a friend are holding onto either side of a rope. You are pulling one way, and your friend is pulling the other way with equal force. What is the net force on the rope?

Gravity acts towards the centre.... Exact opposite of what you just said...

Gravity acts towards the centre.... Exact opposite of what you just said...

No, gravitation acts mutually between any two masses. Besides, an infinite plane does not have a centre.

Quote from: mtarlo11 on October 14, 2009, 08:41:26 AM

If the earth was infinite, mass would be infinite, therefore gravity infinite (gravity increases with mass - of ANY object)

This clearly breaks any law of physics, the universe would collapse into itself.

No.

Quote from: Its a Sphere on October 14, 2009, 08:45:03 AM

Then how did the ice wall get on there if no one has ever been there or seen it?

They have; it's commonly referred to as "Antarctica".

Your FAQ states otherwise:

A1: In the general model, there is a vast ice wall that keeps the water where it is. The ice wall is roughly 150ft high. This also explains why you can find a vast plane of ice when you travel south. Antarctica as a continent does not exist.

Which is impossible to reach because:
A: Only those connected to the Conspiracy have access to heights from which the shape of the Earth can be discerned.  Also, nobody has been to the edge of the Earth and lived; conditions on the Ice Wall get increasingly treacherous the further you get out, and navigation methods become unreliable that far south.  It is also possible that the Conspiracy is guarding the edge to prevent people from getting too close to the truth.

And agreeing with the above, if A (Area) would be infinite, then mass too would be infinite.  Are you suggesting that the earth has infinite mass?

Yes.

With a density of?

Your FAQ states otherwise:

A1: In the general model, there is a vast ice wall that keeps the water where it is. The ice wall is roughly 150ft high. This also explains why you can find a vast plane of ice when you travel south. Antarctica as a continent does not exist.

Which is impossible to reach because:
A: Only those connected to the Conspiracy have access to heights from which the shape of the Earth can be discerned.  Also, nobody has been to the edge of the Earth and lived; conditions on the Ice Wall get increasingly treacherous the further you get out, and navigation methods become unreliable that far south.  It is also possible that the Conspiracy is guarding the edge to prevent people from getting too close to the truth.

The FAQ has many inaccuracies and omissions, and should be used as a guide only.

With a density of?

Its mean density is unknown.

Quote from: mtarlo11 on October 14, 2009, 10:02:56 AM

Gravity acts towards the centre.... Exact opposite of what you just said...

No, gravitation acts mutually between any two masses. Besides, an infinite plane does not have a centre.

Gravity attracts masses together. It would be two friends accelerating at each other with infinite force, destroying each other.
I agree, an infinite plane does not have a centre as it is 2D.
FE is not an infinite plane. It is 3D. and has a centre in the y direction

Gravity attracts masses together. It would be two friends accelerating at each other with infinite force, destroying each other.

For someone who claims to have studied gravitation, you don't seem to know a great deal about it.

I agree, an infinite plane does not have a centre as it is 2D.
FE is not an infinite plane. It is 3D. and has a centre in the y direction.

However, it is not infinite in that direction, so your point is moot.

Quote from: mtarlo11 on October 14, 2009, 10:02:56 AM

Gravity acts towards the centre.... Exact opposite of what you just said...

No, gravitation acts mutually between any two masses. Besides, an infinite plane does not have a centre.

Correct, it has infinite centers.

Correct, it has infinite centers.

And how exactly does it gravitate towards more than one centre simultaneously?

Quote from: Its a Sphere on October 14, 2009, 10:07:11 AM

Your FAQ states otherwise:

A1: In the general model, there is a vast ice wall that keeps the water where it is. The ice wall is roughly 150ft high. This also explains why you can find a vast plane of ice when you travel south. Antarctica as a continent does not exist.

Which is impossible to reach because:
A: Only those connected to the Conspiracy have access to heights from which the shape of the Earth can be discerned.  Also, nobody has been to the edge of the Earth and lived; conditions on the Ice Wall get increasingly treacherous the further you get out, and navigation methods become unreliable that far south.  It is also possible that the Conspiracy is guarding the edge to prevent people from getting too close to the truth.

The FAQ has many inaccuracies and omissions, and should be used as a guide only.

Quote from: Its a Sphere on October 14, 2009, 10:07:11 AM

With a density of?

Its mean density is unknown.

I'm puzzled by your statement.  Knowing an objects volume (in the infinite plane of a finite thickness argument) and it's mass, it should be elementary math to discover it's density.

Also, what if any value is the acceleration due to gravity.  Does this not exist either?
How can an infinite plane (of thickness absolute or differential) possibly have gravity?  I've never heard of such a thing

Quote from: Its a Sphere on October 14, 2009, 10:19:05 AM

Correct, it has infinite centers.

And how exactly does it gravitate towards more than one centre simultaneously?

Exactly, you just answered your own question. It can't. Therefore an infinite body of mass cannot exist.

Quote from: Its a Sphere on October 14, 2009, 10:19:05 AM

Correct, it has infinite centers.

And how exactly does it gravitate towards more than one centre simultaneously?

You stated that a plane does not have a center.  I agree with you, it by definition, has infinite centers.

Imagine you and a friend are holding onto either side of a rope. You are pulling one way, and your friend is pulling the other way with equal force. What is the net force on the rope?

Wow. That's about the worst analogy you could possibly make.

Congratulations on destroying your own argument.

I'm puzzled by your statement.  Knowing an objects volume (in the infinite plane of a finite thickness argument) and it's mass, it should be elementary math to discover it's density.

Only if its volume and mass are finite.

Also, what if any value is the acceleration due to gravity.  Does this not exist either?
How can an infinite plane (of thickness absolute or differential) possibly have gravity?  I've never heard of such a thing

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=32568.0

Exactly, you just answered your own question. It can't. Therefore an infinite body of mass cannot exist.

No, you just have a horribly malformed understanding of how gravitation works.

You stated that a plane does not have a center.  I agree with you, it by definition, has infinite centers.

And mtarlo11 just claimed that gravitation acts towards the centre of an object. I was wondering how an object with multiple centres can gravitate to them all at once.

Quote from: Its a Sphere on October 14, 2009, 10:29:10 AM

I'm puzzled by your statement.  Knowing an objects volume (in the infinite plane of a finite thickness argument) and it's mass, it should be elementary math to discover it's density.

Only if its volume and mass are finite.

Quote from: Its a Sphere on October 14, 2009, 10:29:10 AM

Also, what if any value is the acceleration due to gravity.  Does this not exist either?
How can an infinite plane (of thickness absolute or differential) possibly have gravity?  I've never heard of such a thing

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=32568.0

Quote from: mtarlo11 on October 14, 2009, 10:30:16 AM

Exactly, you just answered your own question. It can't. Therefore an infinite body of mass cannot exist.

No, you just have a horribly malformed understanding of how gravitation works.

Quote from: Its a Sphere on October 14, 2009, 10:31:52 AM

You stated that a plane does not have a center.  I agree with you, it by definition, has infinite centers.

And mtarlo11 just claimed that gravitation acts towards the centre of an object. I was wondering how an object with multiple centres can gravitate to them all at once.

I just answered that question.... Obviously the object cannot exist.

The End

I just answered that question.... Obviously the object cannot exist.

The End

If you're really convinced of this, then please justify this statement:

Gravity acts towards the centre

No, you just have a horribly malformed understanding of how gravitation works.

Speaking of which, I am curious what's holding your earth together if there's no gravitational centre.

Speaking of which, I am curious what's holding your earth together if there's no gravitational centre.

Gravitation on a large scale, electromagnetism on a small scale, strong interaction on an even smaller scale.