# Airlines

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#### Tom Bishop

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« Reply #270 on: December 17, 2009, 01:57:04 PM »

You need to show that the flight times between Australia and South America shows one distance, and that the "long way" distance around shows another distance. That's the only way to demonstrate the makeup of the Southern Hemisphere.

Once you do that we can proceed.

Flight time estimates which match actuality for travel between SA and Australia, SA and Africa, and Australia and Africa provide the same information. Moving any one of the 3 to correct a distance on one route would throw off the other 2 routes.

Those routes all fly between a common flight path.

SA - AF - AU

You need to prove the distance between SA and AU going the "long" way around.

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« Reply #271 on: December 17, 2009, 02:22:28 PM »

You need to show that the flight times between Australia and South America shows one distance, and that the "long way" distance around shows another distance. That's the only way to demonstrate the makeup of the Southern Hemisphere.

Once you do that we can proceed.

Flight time estimates which match actuality for travel between SA and Australia, SA and Africa, and Australia and Africa provide the same information. Moving any one of the 3 to correct a distance on one route would throw off the other 2 routes.

Those routes all fly between a common flight path.

SA - AF - AU

You need to prove the distance between SA and AU going the "long" way around.

So you're saying that the short distance between South America and Australia is the same for the flat earth and round earth models?
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#### Tom Bishop

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« Reply #272 on: December 17, 2009, 02:50:35 PM »
So you're saying that the short distance between South America and Australia is the same for the flat earth and round earth models?

Possibly. But we haven't seen any information from you what-so-ever to know for sure.

Lets see the timestamps and testimonials first.

#### Its a Sphere

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« Reply #273 on: December 17, 2009, 02:53:30 PM »

Those routes all fly between a common flight path.

SA - AF - AU

You need to prove the distance between SA and AU going the "long" way around.

Sydney-Johannesburg flies West
Sydney-Buenos Aires flies East
Buenos Aires- Johannesburg flies East

Moving one continent would change two flight times.
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#### Tom Bishop

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« Reply #274 on: December 17, 2009, 03:08:44 PM »

Those routes all fly between a common flight path.

SA - AF - AU

You need to prove the distance between SA and AU going the "long" way around.

Sydney-Johannesburg flies West
Sydney-Buenos Aires flies East
Buenos Aires- Johannesburg flies East

Moving one continent would change two flight times.

Not true. Sydney-Buenos Aries flies West.

#### markjo

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« Reply #275 on: December 17, 2009, 03:13:38 PM »

Those routes all fly between a common flight path.

SA - AF - AU

You need to prove the distance between SA and AU going the "long" way around.

Sydney-Johannesburg flies West
Sydney-Buenos Aires flies East
Buenos Aires- Johannesburg flies East

Moving one continent would change two flight times.

Not true. Sydney-Buenos Aries flies West.

Guess again, Tom.
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#### Tom Bishop

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« Reply #276 on: December 17, 2009, 03:18:09 PM »
Where are the testimonials for those flight times?
« Last Edit: December 17, 2009, 03:22:05 PM by Tom Bishop »

#### markjo

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« Reply #277 on: December 17, 2009, 03:19:42 PM »
Where are the testimonials for those flight times?
Why don't you try those flights yourself and then give us your own testimonial?  Don't forget to provide scans of your tickets.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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#### Its a Sphere

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« Reply #278 on: December 17, 2009, 03:23:13 PM »

Those routes all fly between a common flight path.

SA - AF - AU

You need to prove the distance between SA and AU going the "long" way around.

Sydney-Johannesburg flies West
Sydney-Buenos Aires flies East
Buenos Aires- Johannesburg flies East

Moving one continent would change two flight times.

Not true. Sydney-Buenos Aries flies West.

You are correct, on the return trip (Buenos Aries- Sydney)it does indeed do just that. Amazingly all of the flights fly in the opposite direction when going in the opposite direction.  Wierd, huh?
"We know that the sun is 93 million miles away and takes up 5 degrees of the sky.

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« Reply #279 on: December 17, 2009, 07:18:46 PM »
Where are the testimonials for those flight times?

Sydney to Buenos Aires: 16 hours 35 minutes

http://www.kayak.com/r/QtPp0y

Buenos Aires to Johannesburg: 15 hours 45 minutes

http://www.kayak.com/r/R1woz4

Joahannesberg to Sydney: 15 hours 25 minutes.

http://www.kayak.com/r/ShzbC4

The Sydney to Buenos Aires flight cannot go west, the plane would run out of fuel long before it makes it.
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#### Tom Bishop

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« Reply #280 on: December 17, 2009, 07:23:15 PM »
Those figures are from flight calculators, not testimonials.

#### markjo

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« Reply #281 on: December 17, 2009, 07:26:11 PM »
Those figures are from flight calculators, not testimonials.

No Tom, those are flight schedules.  There's a difference.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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« Reply #282 on: December 17, 2009, 07:28:17 PM »
Those figures are from flight calculators, not testimonials.

I've flown with Aerolineas Argentinas from Miami to EZE Buenos Aires as well as from EZE Buenos Aires to Montevideo. Their calculators (like those of all airlines) are accurate give or take a half hour or so.

Also, they use Airbus A340's which have a range of 14,000km, making a direct flight West from Sydney to Buenos Aires impossible.
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#### onetwothreefour

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« Reply #283 on: December 17, 2009, 07:38:14 PM »
Those figures are from flight calculators, not testimonials.
So they are in on the conspiracy too? I'm pretty sure people would complain consistently if their flight was NEVER on time.

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« Reply #284 on: December 17, 2009, 07:42:12 PM »
Those figures are from flight calculators, not testimonials.
So they are in on the conspiracy too? I'm pretty sure people would complain consistently if their flight was NEVER on time.

While I can't comment on Qantas, I've taken four flights with Aerolineas Argentinas. Their flights were pretty much on time in each situation.

EDIT: That was just to reiterate. I don't want this post to go down the conspiracy path if Tom picks up on it.
« Last Edit: December 17, 2009, 08:16:29 PM by Canadark »
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#### Tom Bishop

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« Reply #285 on: December 17, 2009, 07:44:51 PM »
Those figures are from flight calculators, not testimonials.

No Tom, those are flight schedules.  There's a difference.

Notice that some of those "schedules" say that a flight will take 35 1/2 hours!!

« Last Edit: December 17, 2009, 07:49:18 PM by Tom Bishop »

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« Reply #286 on: December 17, 2009, 07:59:40 PM »
Those figures are from flight calculators, not testimonials.

No Tom, those are flight schedules.  There's a difference.

Notice that some of those "schedules" say that a flight will take 35 1/2 hours!!

All of those flights I've looked at so far have layovers.
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#### markjo

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« Reply #287 on: December 17, 2009, 08:06:30 PM »
Those figures are from flight calculators, not testimonials.

No Tom, those are flight schedules.  There's a difference.

Notice that some of those "schedules" say that a flight will take 35 1/2 hours!!

If you had bothered to click the "details" button, you would see an explanation for the 35 hours:
« Last Edit: December 17, 2009, 08:16:38 PM by markjo »
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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#### ERTW

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« Reply #288 on: December 17, 2009, 09:58:28 PM »
With the internet and blogs, you should be able to find someone complaining about their flight being twice as long as they were quoted... The absence of thousands of lawsuits with the airlines is strong proof that these estimates are at least somewhat accurate.
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#### Tom Bishop

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« Reply #289 on: December 17, 2009, 10:13:12 PM »
With the internet and blogs, you should be able to find someone complaining about their flight being twice as long as they were quoted... The absence of thousands of lawsuits with the airlines is strong proof that these estimates are at least somewhat accurate.

Well what was provided are still only flight estimates. There's no telling what kind of delays will be experienced.

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« Reply #290 on: December 17, 2009, 10:48:02 PM »
With the internet and blogs, you should be able to find someone complaining about their flight being twice as long as they were quoted... The absence of thousands of lawsuits with the airlines is strong proof that these estimates are at least somewhat accurate.

Well what was provided are still only flight estimates. There's no telling what kind of delays will be experienced.

Weak.
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#### ERTW

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« Reply #291 on: December 18, 2009, 04:39:32 AM »
With the internet and blogs, you should be able to find someone complaining about their flight being twice as long as they were quoted... The absence of thousands of lawsuits with the airlines is strong proof that these estimates are at least somewhat accurate.

Well what was provided are still only flight estimates. There's no telling what kind of delays will be experienced.
I can understand people ignoring a difference in time of flight of 20%, but not 200%.
Don't diss physics until you try it!

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#### onetwothreefour

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« Reply #292 on: December 18, 2009, 07:22:46 AM »
With the internet and blogs, you should be able to find someone complaining about their flight being twice as long as they were quoted... The absence of thousands of lawsuits with the airlines is strong proof that these estimates are at least somewhat accurate.

Well what was provided are still only flight estimates. There's no telling what kind of delays will be experienced.

So...you're saying the earth is round.

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#### trig

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« Reply #293 on: December 18, 2009, 09:42:59 PM »
With the internet and blogs, you should be able to find someone complaining about their flight being twice as long as they were quoted... The absence of thousands of lawsuits with the airlines is strong proof that these estimates are at least somewhat accurate.

Well what was provided are still only flight estimates. There's no telling what kind of delays will be experienced.
As usual, Tom Bishop has to insult everyone who lives South of the equator just to sustain the illusion of a valid argument. According to him, our stars make strange paths along the sky, our GPS receivers give us an unbelievable fiction, our maps are twisted as pretzels, our planes never, ever keep a schedule, those who navigate our oceans, land and skies cannot make the routes fit the maps, and we are just too dumb to notice.

And all of this comes from a man that has been unable to show even the slightest ability to understand navigation.

#### Tom Bishop

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« Reply #294 on: December 18, 2009, 10:45:51 PM »
Actually, I said none of that. All I said was that the classic Azimuthal Projection was for visualization purposes only.

The Southern Hemisphere in FE could take up a number of forms.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Antarctica

However, we can't say for certain what is the accurate makeup is, as there is no hard evidence as far as testimonials and flight times go. The matter is still in discussion.

#### markjo

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« Reply #295 on: December 18, 2009, 11:24:49 PM »
Actually, I said none of that. All I said was that the classic Azimuthal Projection was for visualization purposes only.

The Southern Hemisphere in FE could take up a number of forms.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Antarctica

However, we can't say for certain what is the accurate makeup is, as there is no hard evidence as far as testimonials and flight times go. The matter is still in discussion.

Tom, if you accept that published longitude and latitude coordinates of known locations, such as major cities, seaports and airports, are accurate, then the southern hemisphere in FE can only take one form.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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« Reply #296 on: December 18, 2009, 11:27:26 PM »
Well, the expectations under FET would be that we get thousands of testimonials complaining about a strange phenomenon in which every single southern hemisphere flight takes much longer than planned.

And so the lack of evidence supporting this expectation makes for a very strong argument against the existence of a FE. The lack of evidence isn't really neutral; it supports RET. The expectations for RET under this scenario are met, whereas for FET they are simply not met.

#### Tom Bishop

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« Reply #297 on: December 18, 2009, 11:56:13 PM »
Tom, if you accept that published longitude and latitude coordinates of known locations, such as major cities, seaports and airports, are accurate, then the southern hemisphere in FE can only take one form.

In the Antarctica-as-a-continent model the longitude and latitude lines match up with "known" location, just as they match up in Mercator and Azimuthal layouts.

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#### ERTW

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« Reply #298 on: December 19, 2009, 12:43:13 AM »
Tom, if you accept that published longitude and latitude coordinates of known locations, such as major cities, seaports and airports, are accurate, then the southern hemisphere in FE can only take one form.

In the Antarctica-as-a-continent model the longitude and latitude lines match up with "known" location, just as they match up in Mercator and Azimuthal layouts.
Can you link to a map that illustrates your claim of match up?
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#### SupahLovah

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« Reply #299 on: December 19, 2009, 01:21:13 AM »
Tom, if you accept that published longitude and latitude coordinates of known locations, such as major cities, seaports and airports, are accurate, then the southern hemisphere in FE can only take one form.

In the Antarctica-as-a-continent model the longitude and latitude lines match up with "known" location, just as they match up in Mercator and Azimuthal layouts.
Both of which have their latitude and longitude laid out from a globe. Thanks for clearing that up.
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