i think we should switch it around

instead on people trying to prove that the world is round, i would like to see how the F.E prove there 'theory'

A flat earth is already the pretense. Take a walk around your town sometime.

If you think that the earth exists as some other weird shape the burden is on you to demonstrate it.

I'm a grade 9 student and my science teacher is very smart he told us the the pictures we see from space are all flat and theirs no way to really prove the the earth is round or flat , and the theory about the sun reflecting the earths shadow on the moon can be wrong to, because any flat surface that is round object can make the same shadow and the moons surface.

'A flat earth is already the pretense. Take a walk around your town sometime.

If you think that the earth exists as some other weird shape the burden is on you to demonstrate it.'

this is a good theory but is this flat earth 3 dimensional?  and what shape is it? is it square, circle , triangle?? does this flat earth have a core and if it does how was it shape with out gravity?? if gravity pushing everything into the center (inward) wouldn't  the earth be round?? just thing about the big band theory. how likely is it that a flat earth can orbit around the sun. or the moon can orbit around it?

this is a good theory but is this flat earth 3 dimensional?

Obviously, otherwise as soon as you tried to dig a hole you would puncture right through it.

A flat earth is already the pretense.

Pretense? As in " The act of pretending; a false appearance or action intended to deceive"?


Tom, "Naaaa we were here first" is not a logical argument.

Oh, for God's sake...

Look out your window.

Oh, for God's sake...

Look out your window.

Is this supposed to prove something here?

Quote from: Proleg on October 03, 2009, 02:36:33 PM

Oh, for God's sake...

Look out your window.

Is this supposed to prove something here?

Looks pretty flat to me.

Quote from: bl4ke360 on October 03, 2009, 09:51:11 PM

Quote from: Proleg on October 03, 2009, 02:36:33 PM

Oh, for God's sake...

Look out your window.

Is this supposed to prove something here?

Looks pretty flat to me.

You cannot see the horizon, and therefore cannot say whether or not the earth looks flat in that picture.

All it proves is that I hate bl4ke (I live in Canada, it snowed today ).

You cannot see the horizon, and therefore cannot say whether or not the earth looks flat in that picture.

Where did I say anything about the earth's horizon?

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You cannot see the horizon, and therefore cannot say whether or not the earth looks flat in that picture.

Where did I say anything about the earth's horizon?

What "looks flat to you" in that picture?

I'm guessing Tom never passed High School Geometry?

Quote from: Tom Bishop on October 04, 2009, 12:19:53 AM

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You cannot see the horizon, and therefore cannot say whether or not the earth looks flat in that picture.

Where did I say anything about the earth's horizon?

What "looks flat to you" in that picture?

The earth.

Quote from: Mykael on October 04, 2009, 12:21:53 AM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on October 04, 2009, 12:19:53 AM

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You cannot see the horizon, and therefore cannot say whether or not the earth looks flat in that picture.

Where did I say anything about the earth's horizon?

What "looks flat to you" in that picture?

The earth.

And you can tell that from what part of the picture? The earth's flat-ness or round-ness is typically perceived from the horizon, and that isn't visible in the picture.

And you can tell that from what part of the picture?

The part with the earth's surface in it.

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And you can tell that from what part of the picture?

The part with the earth's surface in it.

You can't tell from a 10 foot square patch of ground whether or not the Earth is flat.

You can't tell from a 10 foot square patch of ground whether or not the Earth is flat.

I'm not trying to. Everyone can see from the world around them that the earth exists as a plane as a fundamental pretext.

Ergo, the burden of demonstration is on anyone who claims that it's something else.

Quote from: BanthaPoodoo on October 04, 2009, 12:41:16 AM

You can't tell from a 10 foot square patch of ground whether or not the Earth is flat.

I'm not trying to. Everyone can see from the world around them that the earth exists as a plane as a fundamental pretext.

Ergo, the burden of demonstration is on anyone who claims that it's something else.

So what do you think will happen when privately funded space flights become routine in the future? Will we discover that the Earth is actually flat?

Quote from: BanthaPoodoo on October 04, 2009, 12:41:16 AM

You can't tell from a 10 foot square patch of ground whether or not the Earth is flat.

I'm not trying to. Everyone can see from the world around them that the earth exists as a plane as a fundamental pretext.

Ergo, the burden of demonstration is on anyone who claims that it's something else.

lol

Quote from: bl4ke360 on October 03, 2009, 09:51:11 PM

Quote from: Proleg on October 03, 2009, 02:36:33 PM

Oh, for God's sake...

Look out your window.

Is this supposed to prove something here?

Looks pretty flat to me.

The only thing flat I see in that picture is the window pane.

Quote from: BanthaPoodoo on October 04, 2009, 12:41:16 AM

You can't tell from a 10 foot square patch of ground whether or not the Earth is flat.

I'm not trying to. Everyone can see from the world around them that the earth exists as a plane as a fundamental pretext.

Ergo, the burden of demonstration is on anyone who claims that it's something else.

is your intellect seriously that narrow? Is your mind really unable to comprehend how things that you may not be able to see (right away) exist?
The Earth isn't a mile across, just because a mile-long stretch may seem flat, you cannot assume that the whole world is flat. According to your logic, if we are high enough in the sky, we would be able to see everything on the Earth. Can we? No, we can't. There is a visible horizon, and this cannot exist on a 'flat Earth'.
Just stop it. I seriously hope that you aren't being serious, because if you are, I feel sorry for you. And I laugh at you.

The Earth isn't a mile across, just because a mile-long stretch may seem flat, you cannot assume that the whole world is flat. According to your logic, if we are high enough in the sky, we would be able to see everything on the Earth. Can we? No, we can't. There is a visible horizon, and this cannot exist on a 'flat Earth'.
Just stop it. I seriously hope that you aren't being serious, because if you are, I feel sorry for you. And I laugh at you.

Gravity can bend light.

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The Earth isn't a mile across, just because a mile-long stretch may seem flat, you cannot assume that the whole world is flat. According to your logic, if we are high enough in the sky, we would be able to see everything on the Earth. Can we? No, we can't. There is a visible horizon, and this cannot exist on a 'flat Earth'.
Just stop it. I seriously hope that you aren't being serious, because if you are, I feel sorry for you. And I laugh at you.

Gravity can bend light.

Gravity, as a force, does not exist.

According to your logic, if we are high enough in the sky, we would be able to see everything on the Earth.

Wrong.  Please explain how you think Tom's logic leads to this conclusion and I will explain why you are wrong.

Quote from: youareallwrong on October 04, 2009, 09:23:29 AM

According to your logic, if we are high enough in the sky, we would be able to see everything on the Earth.

Wrong.  Please explain how you think Tom's logic leads to this conclusion and I will explain why you are wrong.

This is the only way you FE'ers are able to justify your beliefs. I hope everyone realizes this. You should be able to assume why I said that anyways.

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on October 04, 2009, 09:36:59 AM

Quote from: youareallwrong on October 04, 2009, 09:23:29 AM

According to your logic, if we are high enough in the sky, we would be able to see everything on the Earth.

Wrong.  Please explain how you think Tom's logic leads to this conclusion and I will explain why you are wrong.

This is the only way you FE'ers are able to justify your beliefs. I hope everyone realizes this. You should be able to assume why I said that anyways.

I have no idea why you would say that, but then, I probably have a much better grasp on Tom's logic than you do.  I can only figure that you said that because you were mistaken about Tom's opinion on this matter.  That's why I wanted you to tell me how you think Tom's logic leads to that conclusion, so that I can explain where you're mistaken.

Quote from: youareallwrong on October 04, 2009, 10:06:55 AM

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on October 04, 2009, 09:36:59 AM

Quote from: youareallwrong on October 04, 2009, 09:23:29 AM

According to your logic, if we are high enough in the sky, we would be able to see everything on the Earth.

Wrong.  Please explain how you think Tom's logic leads to this conclusion and I will explain why you are wrong.

This is the only way you FE'ers are able to justify your beliefs. I hope everyone realizes this. You should be able to assume why I said that anyways.

I have no idea why you would say that, but then, I probably have a much better grasp on Tom's logic than you do.  I can only figure that you said that because you were mistaken about Tom's opinion on this matter.  That's why I wanted you to tell me how you think Tom's logic leads to that conclusion, so that I can explain where you're mistaken.

Hah, yes you do. And you know it to be true. If you really need me to explain, I meant that according to his logic, if you go high enough, say, over the United States of America, you would be able to see all the way to Australia, with the correct telescopic equipment.

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on October 04, 2009, 10:10:51 AM

Quote from: youareallwrong on October 04, 2009, 10:06:55 AM

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on October 04, 2009, 09:36:59 AM

Quote from: youareallwrong on October 04, 2009, 09:23:29 AM

According to your logic, if we are high enough in the sky, we would be able to see everything on the Earth.

Wrong.  Please explain how you think Tom's logic leads to this conclusion and I will explain why you are wrong.

This is the only way you FE'ers are able to justify your beliefs. I hope everyone realizes this. You should be able to assume why I said that anyways.

I have no idea why you would say that, but then, I probably have a much better grasp on Tom's logic than you do.  I can only figure that you said that because you were mistaken about Tom's opinion on this matter.  That's why I wanted you to tell me how you think Tom's logic leads to that conclusion, so that I can explain where you're mistaken.

Hah, yes you do. And you know it to be true. If you really need me to explain, I meant that according to his logic, if you go high enough, say, over the United States of America, you would be able to see all the way to Australia, with the correct telescopic equipment.

I think I see where you're mistaken now.  According to Tom's logic, our ability to see across long distances is obscured by the atmosphere.  Air is not perfectly transparent.  Let's remember that even the sun is limited in the distance its light can travel due to the atmosphere, at 3000 miles above the Earth's surface, which is why it acts like a circular spotlight, and why it is night in Australia when it is day in the US.

I think I see where you're mistaken now.  According to Tom's logic, our ability to see across long distances is obscured by the atmosphere.  Air is not perfectly transparent.  Let's remember that even the sun is limited in the distance its light can travel due to the atmosphere, at 3000 miles above the Earth's surface, which is why it acts like a circular spotlight, and why it is night in Australia when it is day in the US.

Yet the atmosphere isn't that opaque is it? We can see the sun, the moon and the stars on the horizon, all of which *according to FET) are 3000 miles away, if not more.

I wonder...