FET and the scientific method

What I'm going to put forward in the following lines, is the relationship, in my opinion, between FET and the scientific method.

To start, I will talk about the scientific method as I know it and how it works when two theories collide. We can basically sum it up using the Occam's Razor: given two explanations of a phenomenon, each with the same capability of PREDICTION (this is an important part and often forgotten), we should choose the one that makes fewer assumptions. Take then the FET and the RET theory, trying to explain the solar system movements. Assuming that both correctly explain and PREDICT the same results (which FET doesn't), we still should choose the RET, because it explains the entire solar system by a SINGLE FORCE, proportional to 1/r^2. FET needs to make more assumptions (invisible objects, newer forces, etc.). Also the force in RET applies to all objects in the entire system, while FET "gravitation" only affects certain objects, which will lead to making more assumptions, therefore making RET better.

Another big problem of FET that annoys me is the incapability to accept proof that has been studied by a third person. For example, FE'rs wouldn't accept photographs, movies, or any kind of experiment done by others unless they easily can reproduce by themselves. It means that, if we want to disprove the FET, we need to take a flight and measure velocities and times by ourselves, or construct a homemade rocket and send it into space to take photographs if we want to, at least, be taken into account by the FE'rs. The FE'rs, on the other hand, say simply "it's a conspiracy" and that instantaneously disproves every bit of proof we could have. Isn't that unfair? Why FE'rs do not send their own rockets into space to photograph the flat earth? Also we RE'rs don't even say a thing about the FET being a conspiracy! (at least not seriously)

Also, the "conspiracy" method of avoiding all proof agains FET, is not scientific, and also illogical. If there is a conspiracy, and you want us to believe it, you must show some proof to us! We have not a single photo, video, paper, proving there's a conspiracy!
But, wait! Even if you could show us proof of it, we could not believe you and say there's a conspiracy to make us believe there's a conspiracy! And so on, and so on... this method of discussing science and everything else leads to nowhere. You shouldn't discard every bit of information that goes against you, that is completely against science, that is more like a "religion", based on a "faith" in a theory, which labels everything against it as "heresy".
A lot of people is currently and has been over the years working hard at the NASA, or spending their lives studying astronomy, astrophysics, meteorology and geology (all based in a RET). Are you simply saying, without a SCIENTIFIC proof, that all of them are wrong and their work of their entire lives is useless? That seems very disrespectful for me.

But hey, it's only my opinion.

Part of the scientific process is that an experiment must be falsifiable. An experiment must be designed in such a was that it can confirm or deny a hypothesis.

I stopped reading at occam's razor.

I stopped reading at occam's razor.

Clearly, you don't have a good understanding of what the occam's razor really is. As I wrote before, people always seem to forget that the theories involved must have the same capabilities of prediction. When one theory is capable of predict a lot of phenomena that the other isn't, you don't even need Occam's Razor to determine which one is better.

And also, by "not reading", you are ignoring what I wrote just because it's against your opinion, and that's just infantile. That's an attitude I've seen in some FE'rs, and also religious people, or creationists; when they hear something that goes against their beliefs, they just stop hearing.

Part of the scientific process is that an experiment must be falsifiable. An experiment must be designed in such a was that it can confirm or deny a hypothesis.

If an experiment is falsified, why do the results obtained predict future events with an incredibly high precission (take eclipses for example)?

Also, if you design an experiment in such a way it confirms an hypothesis, but its falsified, other person will eventually come up with a new experiment proving it is indeed. And again, it's easy to determine the one that isn't falsified just checking which one predicts future events better.

It is really that complicated to understand?

If an experiment is falsified...

"Falsifiable" not "falsified". There's a big difference.

Quote from: spherumann on September 30, 2009, 10:50:51 AM

If an experiment is falsified...

"Falsifiable" not "falsified". There's a big difference.

Whoops! English is not my first language, so please excuse me. 

Quote from: SupahLovah on September 30, 2009, 07:34:29 AM

I stopped reading at occam's razor.

Clearly, you don't have a good understanding of what the occam's razor really is. As I wrote before, people always seem to forget that the theories involved must have the same capabilities of prediction. When one theory is capable of predict a lot of phenomena that the other isn't, you don't even need Occam's Razor to determine which one is better.

And also, by "not reading", you are ignoring what I wrote just because it's against your opinion, and that's just infantile. That's an attitude I've seen in some FE'rs, and also religious people, or creationists; when they hear something that goes against their beliefs, they just stop hearing.

Occam's Razor has no place in anything scientific. Since it was brought up, I had no use to read the rest of the post. And going on to say that the conspiracy isn't scientific (just illogical) makes your post a bit hypocritical. I'm a REer, and I think you have good points, but occam's razor has no place in science. Instead of guessing which is correct, which is what it's used for, people should do experiments until one hypothesis stands out better than the other.

science is close, but it is not the source.
"A lot of people is currently and has been over the years working hard at the NASA, or spending their lives studying astronomy, astrophysics, meteorology and geology (all based in a RET). Are you simply saying, without a SCIENTIFIC proof, that all of them are wrong and their work of their entire lives is useless? That seems very disrespectful for me." -- these people are within the scientific realm...like a hippy on drugs...
Reality presents itself because it has power.
Scientists advertise power; even with lies, because scientists make money. They conclude partly for money, where as Noah didn't conclude for money at all: didn't ask for money at all. He warned! And he won!

Quote from: Crustinator on September 30, 2009, 11:39:33 AM

Quote from: spherumann on September 30, 2009, 10:50:51 AM

If an experiment is falsified...

"Falsifiable" not "falsified". There's a big difference.

Whoops! English is not my first language, so please excuse me. 

You're forgiven!

Your English is actually very good. You use it better than some native speakers.

science is close, but it is not the source.
"A lot of people is currently and has been over the years working hard at the NASA, or spending their lives studying astronomy, astrophysics, meteorology and geology (all based in a RET). Are you simply saying, without a SCIENTIFIC proof, that all of them are wrong and their work of their entire lives is useless? That seems very disrespectful for me." -- these people are within the scientific realm...like a hippy on drugs...
Reality presents itself because it has power.
Scientists advertise power; even with lies, because scientists make money. They conclude partly for money, where as Noah didn't conclude for money at all: didn't ask for money at all. He warned! And he won!

Are you implying that religion is not about money? Considering that the Catholic Church is one of if not the most wealthiest organisations in the world.

if you become religious in the right way, you will become richer than the catholic church. it makes sense to become richer than the abominabal through righteousness. God is rich and gives to whom He wants. He does not hold back from His beloved servants. The One God. After all, who made the catholics rich? Look at Krishna, one of the richest god-head personalities of all times, and Solomon. Good luck.

The flat earth society spits on the scientific method.  Zeteticism is where it's at.

i hope that one day you see that all sciences and theories about the universe come from the flat earth society...it includes envoys, messengers, prophets and God. I shouldn't hope this for you...you will see it

i hope that one day you see that all sciences and theories about the universe come from the flat earth society...it includes envoys, messengers, prophets and God. I shouldn't hope this for you...you will see it

Better inform Scientology and the Free Masons.

already did and will again
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and they will see it anyways; either before or after death
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as groups, nations, societies or individuals.
I already see  it. My dead greatgrandfather and all other dead people, and a few live people see it.
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I find it skeptical that most people don't see it before they die.
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end of modifications
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o ya, they will die
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nothing to be sad about
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Nice to see you again, Raa. I missed your particular brand of posting.

is it still the same  
sorry to bother you  
well, like socrates said...'we must continue. after i die, kill the chicken for its' wisdom'
 

i hope that one day you see that all sciences and theories about the universe come from the flat earth society...it includes envoys, messengers, prophets and God. I shouldn't hope this for you...you will see it

There are many paths up the mountain, but only one view of the horizon from the top.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

there were 2 when jesus and the devil met up there

is it still the same  
sorry to bother you  
well, like socrates said...'we must continue. after i die, kill the chicken for its' wisdom'
 

Actually Raa, while its nice to make random stuff up, the actual quote is:

"Crito, we owe a cock to Asclepius. Will you remember to pay the debt?"

from Plato's Phaedo. It was Socrates' last words, when Crito responded that he would and if there was anything else, Socrates had died.

how little wisdom; to pay a debt 

i hope that one day you see that all sciences and theories about the universe come from the flat earth society...it includes envoys, messengers, prophets and God. I shouldn't hope this for you...you will see it

I'm going to just put this in here....

Quote from: Raa on October 03, 2009, 08:54:17 PM

i hope that one day you see that all sciences and theories about the universe come from the flat earth society...it includes envoys, messengers, prophets and God. I shouldn't hope this for you...you will see it

I'm going to just put this in here....

hehehe, I'll bet he'll stop watching when he hears the word "cube".

you're right, i nearlyl turned it of at the word 'cube', but  let me respond as the video rolls.
'the sky which is a round ball [circle] , contains everything."
he's right..."humans only exist here, where we fuck and make more humans" "even those who make babies [their own sons and daughters] want proof that we are the only humans in the universe" "and they want to argue over the fact. maybe it's a way of making money"
the 'cause' of the begininng and all times  "is worship of the creator...he is so great that he causes that which he creates, to have the possibility to worship Him"
you all seem to absorb human talk as something very heavy, but when something is quoted from a book of God, you take it very light. Human praise must lead to homosexuality , or something like that?!???!
OK, I got to 3:00 of the video, I will probably continue to watch it in a few years.

Quote from: Raa on October 04, 2009, 11:42:38 AM

is it still the same  
sorry to bother you  
well, like socrates said...'we must continue. after i die, kill the chicken for its' wisdom'
 

Actually Raa, while its nice to make random stuff up, the actual quote is:

"Crito, we owe a cock to Asclepius. Will you remember to pay the debt?"

from Plato's Phaedo. It was Socrates' last words, when Crito responded that he would and if there was anything else, Socrates had died.

RANDOM" You treat me like a little white child. what the fack is wrong with  you. I could be writing for years and you could have read everything i wrote and then you would have told me that i was processing randomly. you know that is a complete insult, or that you selfishly shamefully didn't understand a percentage of what i wrote but wanted to appear intelligent.

I like this one better: 

I like this one better:  

Promoting the unexplained, unexperienced, and jumping to conclusions in contradiction to the observable truth... sounds a lot like the people who promote Round Earth Theory.

Quote from: markjo on October 10, 2009, 09:47:39 AM

I like this one better: 

Promoting the unexplained, unexperienced, and jumping to conclusions in contradiction to the observable truth... sounds a lot like the people who promote Round Earth Theory.

Do you mean things like Bendy Light/Electromagnetic Acceleration or Dark Energy/Universal Acceleration?

I like this one better: 

the problem [or love of ] open mindedness is that it expells that which came into its' realm. openness is infinite; not like a cube or ball which digest positively. as a matter of fact, open mindedness is like being headless, and that's why there is a myth about the headless horseman who ravages towns, villages and all those who compile knowledge. open mindedness doesn't accept ANYTHING. too bad for the poor headless sucker. just because chickens can run around with out a head, doesn't mean that such humans can rule the world.