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« on: September 29, 2009, 05:55:07 PM »
People have travelled to the latitude of the South Pole, 90o South. How come nobody has then continued even one degree further to 91o? Given the amount of people working down at the pole and who have visited it, you'd think at least one person would have noticed you could keep going a little further south... unless of course you reach Teh ICE Walls and notice the edge just stops after that.
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Re: 91 S
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2009, 06:09:09 PM »
They have. Any measurement of latitude made at such a location would suggest that they are moving further north if they assume a RE model.
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Re: 91 S
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2009, 02:23:39 PM »
Come on, still no answers? Surely the Flat Guys must have a solution...  ???
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Re: 91 S
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2009, 05:36:59 PM »
They have. Any measurement of latitude made at such a location would suggest that they are moving further north if they assume a RE model.

You'll need to clarify how that might possibly work.

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Re: 91 S
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2009, 05:40:08 PM »
They have. Any measurement of latitude made at such a location would suggest that they are moving further north if they assume a RE model.

You'll need to clarify how that might possibly work.

Tell me how you would measure your latitude, and I will explain to you how it would lead you to believe that you are moving north if you assume RET.
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« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2009, 05:44:50 PM »
Tell me how you would measure your latitude, and I will explain to you how it would lead you to believe that you are moving north if you assume RET.

GPS

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Re: 91 S
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2009, 05:46:57 PM »
Tell me how you would measure your latitude, and I will explain to you how it would lead you to believe that you are moving north if you assume RET.

GPS

GPS is run by the Conspiracy, so they would program the system to output false information.
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Re: 91 S
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2009, 05:48:13 PM »
Why does you always get to ur destination?
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« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2009, 05:49:25 PM »
GPS is run by the Conspiracy, so they would program the system to output false information.

Curses! Foiled by the conspiracy again!

And there was me hoping for a scientific explanation.

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« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2009, 05:51:06 PM »
Why does you always get to ur destination?

False information is not necessarily useless. It outputs positional information according to the RE model, in such a way as to make directions appear to work with RET.

Curses! Foiled by the conspiracy again!

And there was me hoping for a scientific explanation.

Maybe if you suggested a more scientific procedure for determining latitude, I could give you one. Saying "I'll let this system somebody else designed do the work for me" isn't exactly groundbreaking science, you know.
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Re: 91 S
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2009, 03:12:36 PM »
Curses! Foiled by the conspiracy again!

And there was me hoping for a scientific explanation.

Not foiled by the conspiracy, because as far as anyone has ever been able to tell, GPS does actually tell you where you are rather than where you aren't. The flat guys are unable to give a single solitary example of GPS consistently telling you that you're in one location when actually you are somewhere else except for maybe the odd incident of equipment malfunction. Therefore, if people were following GPS but going the wrong way, they'd notice a discrepancy between where they were and what the GPS was telling them. This does not happen.
An even simpler way to shut the troll up is to navigate the way the explorers did before GPS was around - using the stars and sun. These are unable to point you in the wrong direction.
So the conclusion so far - no answers yet by the FE guys.
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« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2009, 03:16:39 PM »
Maybe if you suggested a more scientific procedure for determining latitude

It was a scientific procedure. GPS works for millions of people the world over. Why it stop worky?

Somehow you turned an answer that relied on an unproven conspiracy into a good thing.

Amazing!

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Re: 91 S
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2009, 01:43:56 PM »
If I don't get any sort of answer from the flat guys about why nobody can ever reach 91oS, then I will have to take it as an admission that there is no solution to this in a flat earth scenario, and therefore count it as definitive evidence of a round earth.
GPS is neither here nor there as people explored the polar region without GPS many times.
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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2009, 04:25:40 PM »
If I don't get any sort of answer from the flat guys about why nobody can ever reach 91oS, then I will have to take it as an admission that there is no solution to this in a flat earth scenario, and therefore count it as definitive evidence of a round earth.
GPS is neither here nor there as people explored the polar region without GPS many times.

91 degrees south = 89 degrees north
Obviously there is some sort of attracting phenomenon which affects the stars and planets.

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« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2009, 08:30:29 AM »
Tell me how you would measure your latitude, and I will explain to you how it would lead you to believe that you are moving north if you assume RET.

GPS

GPS is run by the Conspiracy, so they would program the system to output false information.
Look up the Special Pleading logical fallacy sometime, Parsifal.
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« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2009, 08:35:08 AM »
91 degrees south = 89 degrees north
???  :o
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Re: 91 S
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2009, 09:24:46 AM »
91 degrees south = 89 degrees north

An interesting prediction, which surely means we are living on some kind of toroidal Earth??

If I don't get any sort of answer from the flat guys about why nobody can ever reach 91oS, then I will have to take it as an admission that there is no solution to this in a flat earth scenario, and therefore count it as definitive evidence of a round earth.
GPS is neither here nor there as people explored the polar region without GPS many times.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2009, 11:28:47 AM »
91 degrees south = 89 degrees north

An interesting prediction, which surely means we are living on some kind of toroidal Earth??

If I don't get any sort of answer from the flat guys about why nobody can ever reach 91oS, then I will have to take it as an admission that there is no solution to this in a flat earth scenario, and therefore count it as definitive evidence of a round earth.
GPS is neither here nor there as people explored the polar region without GPS many times.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Aha, maybe the toroidal earth is the answer after all!
And as for absence of evidence - it may not be evidence of absence, but it sure makes you look like you don't have an answer and are believing in something that makes no sense. As a round earth believer I have an answer to this that works in my world system - as a flat earth believer neither you nor anyone else can make a workable answer.
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« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2009, 11:31:35 AM »
Aha, maybe the toroidal earth is the answer after all!

And as for absence of evidence - it may not be evidence of absence, but it sure makes you look like you don't have an answer and are believing in something that makes no sense. As a round earth believer I have an answer to this that works in my world system - as a flat earth believer neither you nor anyone else can make a workable answer.

So as a REer you have a system which works as advertised by the Conspiracy that helped build and deploy it?  There's a shocker...
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« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2009, 12:37:56 PM »
Aha, maybe the toroidal earth is the answer after all!

And as for absence of evidence - it may not be evidence of absence, but it sure makes you look like you don't have an answer and are believing in something that makes no sense. As a round earth believer I have an answer to this that works in my world system - as a flat earth believer neither you nor anyone else can make a workable answer.

So as a REer you have a system which works as advertised by the Conspiracy that helped build and deploy it?  There's a shocker...

No, it works without any conspiracy. As I said, GPS is not relevant to this as people have been exploring the south polar region for years before that.
An explanation which works, even if you believe the foundation of it to be wrong, is still better than no explanation at all. My reasoning for why nobody can reach 91oS is because it doesn't exist. Flat earthers have no explanation at all for why nobody can reach that latitude.
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« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2009, 01:41:03 PM »
So as a REer you have a system which works as advertised by the Conspiracy that helped build and deploy it?

Maybe it's just my neighbourhood, but the Conspiracy doesn't advertise where I live.

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« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2009, 02:52:56 PM »
No, it works without any conspiracy.

Do you have any evidence to support your outlandish claims?

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As I said, GPS is not relevant to this as people have been exploring the south polar region for years before that.
An explanation which works, even if you believe the foundation of it to be wrong, is still better than no explanation at all. My reasoning for why nobody can reach 91oS is because it doesn't exist. Flat earthers have no explanation at all for why nobody can reach that latitude.

Now all we need is for someone to actually go down there and try it, then report their findings back here.
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« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2009, 03:13:13 PM »
91 degrees south = 89 degrees north

Do you have any evidence to support your outlandish claims?
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« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2009, 03:24:06 PM »
No, it works without any conspiracy.

Do you have any evidence to support your outlandish claims?


Yes, the voyages of explorers, people who have been to the South pole, live and work in the area, have made transantarctic crossings via the pole such as Shackleton, Ronne, Hillary, Fuchs and Byrd, and so on. The fact that not a single one has ever managed to go further than 90o in a southwards direction*, in whatever direction they travel away from the pole, is evidence to support my outlandish claim. None of them reached an impassable ice wall. None of them saw anything like any sort of edge of the earth (which Byrd should actually have flown to his doom over if the earth really was like you say it is). This is all before the invention of GPS of course, navigating entirely with traditional instruments such as sextants and compass, and for some of them there weren't even any maps.
Although I suppose you guys will say all these are in on the conspiracy, which then casts doubt on Hillary's Everest attempt and I expect to hear flat guys clamouring to have him removed from the NZ banknotes.

*inb4 flat guys saying "they were blocked by Teh IcewALLs!!!!!1"
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« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2009, 03:24:57 PM »
91 degrees south = 89 degrees north

Do you have any evidence to support your outlandish claims?

I don't agree with him either, but just to annoy you Parsifal I am going to say the burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise.  ;D
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« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2009, 07:31:43 PM »
91 degrees south = 89 degrees north

Do you have any evidence to support your outlandish claims?

I don't agree with him either, but just to annoy you Parsifal I am going to say the burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise.  ;D

Actually, I'd love to see how Soup gets from the south pole to very near the north pole in one degree of latitude.
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« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2009, 12:10:17 AM »
91 degrees south = 89 degrees north

Do you have any evidence to support your outlandish claims?

I don't agree with him either, but just to annoy you Parsifal I am going to say the burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise.  ;D

Actually, I'd love to see how Soup gets from the south pole to very near the north pole in one degree of latitude.

Like I said, he lives on doughnut world!
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« Reply #27 on: October 27, 2009, 07:20:47 PM »
OK this thread has been here long enough for any proper explanations to be put on the table for discussion and the flat guys have not come up with anything at all to explain it. Therefore it can be put in the file of Things FE Theory Is Totally Unable To Explain, AKA Evidence For Round Earth.
Another win for RE, then.

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« Reply #28 on: October 27, 2009, 08:27:39 PM »
Why? Because you would fall off of the edge of the Earth. But I have never been there myself. I know it's true because I read it off of some old book. I mean, just take a look at the image in my signature. It's true. I guarantee it.
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Re: 91 S
« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2009, 08:46:33 AM »
Good God!  You guys just never quit with this conspiracy prattle, do you?  As if it has any merit or meaning whatsoever.  This kind of drivel is common of all fringe elements of lunacy; just like creation science claims that the fossil record is an elaborate forgery created by the governments of the world.

I normally wouldn't advise giving suggestions to the FES, but simply stating "I don't know" is not a bad thing.  The reason you don't have an answer to the OP is because you don't know.  You tend to get up on a soap box and tout these credentials of supreme skepticism; and don't get me wrong, I love a healthy dose of skepticism as any good scientist should.  But you (members of the FES) have taken skepticism, tied it up, thrown it into the back of a car and driven it into the infinite expanse of ice at the edge of your flat world to die a slow death from hypothermia.

I also find Matrix's quote that appears at the bottom of his posts to be very relevant to this point: "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

This may be true for the less than one percent of all ideas that have actually been accepted as self evident.  The other 99+ percent of ideas that have been concocted and wind up being deficient and erroneous just stop the process at being "violently opposed" and then are thrown out with rest of the trash.

I am confident that FET will never get to the point of being on a platform that the broader populous, let alone the scientific community, will even be interested in evaluating because of the fact that it is deficient and erroneous.  It will see its pathetic end in the annals of botched reasoning and inadequacy.
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