Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?

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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #60 on: October 02, 2009, 07:05:26 AM »
Argumentum ad populum. Give me one good reason why other beings in FET would need to live on the planets that we can see in the sky.

No my argument is not "most people believe it, therefore it's true" FFS.


I'm saying other scientists have studied the problem and have suggested that planets are required for life.

The reason is to do with the elements that are required for life, which are produced after a star goes supernova. As planets form in the debris they create a concentration of these elements, and so create a concentration of the known building blocks of life.

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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #61 on: October 02, 2009, 06:43:54 PM »
No my argument is not "most people believe it, therefore it's true" FFS.


I'm saying other scientists have studied the problem and have suggested that planets are required for life.

The reason is to do with the elements that are required for life, which are produced after a star goes supernova. As planets form in the debris they create a concentration of these elements, and so create a concentration of the known building blocks of life.

Yes, assuming RET is true. In FET, the planets are very different and probably could not sustain life. Please stop applying RE science to FET.
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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #62 on: October 02, 2009, 07:06:03 PM »
Please stop applying RE science to FET.

Why, are the laws of physics for FET different than the ones for RET?
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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #63 on: October 02, 2009, 07:06:27 PM »
Why, are the laws of physics for FET different than the ones for RET?

No, but the nature of the planets is.
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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #64 on: October 02, 2009, 07:18:25 PM »
Why, are the laws of physics for FET different than the ones for RET?

No, but the nature of the planets is.

Wouldn't the laws of physics determine the nature of the planets?
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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #65 on: October 02, 2009, 07:21:12 PM »
Wouldn't the laws of physics determine the nature of the planets?

No.
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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #66 on: October 02, 2009, 07:42:13 PM »
Wouldn't the laws of physics determine the nature of the planets?

No.

Oh?  Why not?
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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #67 on: October 02, 2009, 07:46:47 PM »
Oh?  Why not?

Because the planets are as we observe them to be. The laws of physics need to fit our observations, not the other way around.
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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #68 on: October 03, 2009, 08:33:43 AM »
In FET, the planets are very different and probably could not sustain life.

How different are they exactly?

Please stop applying RE science to FET.

I've yet to read a paper on the possible nature of extraterrestrial life on the flat earth world. I'm not sure why that is. Until I can I'll just stick with what's available, which is written for RE. :(;'(:(

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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #69 on: October 03, 2009, 10:13:48 AM »
How different are they exactly?

They are far smaller than in the RE model, and probably mostly or entirely solid. I'd also imagine they are a lot colder.

I've yet to read a paper on the possible nature of extraterrestrial life on the flat earth world. I'm not sure why that is. Until I can I'll just stick with what's available, which is written for RE. :(;'(:(

Or you could stop answering questions you know nothing about. The question was "Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?", not "Does RET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?"
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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #70 on: October 03, 2009, 10:21:13 AM »
They are far smaller than in the RE model, and probably mostly or entirely solid. I'd also imagine they are a lot colder.

Colder than what?

Or you could stop answering questions you know nothing about.

I know enough. I like the aggressive tone though. It makes me scared of you.

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My understanding of the planets comes from other scientists' observations

Nothing more. RE/FE doesn't really enter it.

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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #71 on: October 03, 2009, 02:31:00 PM »
Colder than what?

Than they are in the RE model, if you'll look at my statement in context.

I know enough. I like the aggressive tone though. It makes me scared of you.

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My understanding of the planets comes from other scientists' observations

Nothing more. RE/FE doesn't really enter it.

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Actually, RE/FE is very important here. The observations have greatly different interpretations, depending on how far away you take the planets to be. Regardless, their nature has nothing to do with the question asked.
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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #72 on: October 03, 2009, 04:25:47 PM »
Colder than what?

Than they are in the RE model

You mean colder than as observed by astronomers and astrophysicists? This is getting interesting.

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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #73 on: October 03, 2009, 05:33:10 PM »
You mean colder than as observed by astronomers and astrophysicists? This is getting interesting.

I'm sorry, I didn't realise that astronomers had taken a thermometer to Jupiter.
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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #74 on: October 03, 2009, 05:39:07 PM »
You mean colder than as observed by astronomers and astrophysicists? This is getting interesting.

I'm sorry, I didn't realise that astronomers had taken a thermometer to Jupiter.

You've never heard of non-contact thermometers such as infra-red sensors?  ???
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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #75 on: October 03, 2009, 05:42:05 PM »
You've never heard of non-contact thermometers such as infra-red sensors?  ???

These rely heavily on indirect measurements, and as such are easily influenced by irrelevant variables.
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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #76 on: October 04, 2009, 11:23:38 AM »
You've never heard of non-contact thermometers such as infra-red sensors?  ???

These rely heavily on indirect measurements

Sorry, how is it indirect?

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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #77 on: October 04, 2009, 08:29:52 PM »
Sorry, how is it indirect?

Well, you're hardly going and measuring the average kinetic energy of the object in question's constituent particles directly, are you?
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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #78 on: October 04, 2009, 08:56:59 PM »
Yes these do rely on indirect measures but the measurements made by various FE scientists to prove the Earth is flat are indirect. So why are indirect measurements bad?

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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #79 on: October 04, 2009, 08:59:09 PM »
Yes these do rely on indirect measures but the measurements made by various FE scientists to prove the Earth is flat are indirect. So why are indirect measurements bad?

I never claimed that indirect measurements were bad.
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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #80 on: October 13, 2009, 10:14:19 AM »
I never claimed that indirect measurements were bad.

You certainly implied it:

These rely heavily on indirect measurements, and as such are easily influenced by irrelevant variables.

So. Are (indirect) measurements of planets temperatures to be trusted or not?

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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #81 on: October 13, 2009, 11:25:29 AM »
I don't see any problem with the planets appearing to be the same temperature in FET and RET.
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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #82 on: October 14, 2009, 02:26:26 AM »
Robosteve does...

They are far smaller than in the RE model, and probably mostly or entirely solid. I'd also imagine they are a lot colder.
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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #83 on: October 14, 2009, 11:37:03 AM »
Matrix =/= Robosteve
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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #84 on: October 14, 2009, 11:41:16 AM »
Matrix =/= Robosteve

Which is why my conversation was with Robosteve.

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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #85 on: October 14, 2009, 11:53:53 AM »
Which is why my conversation was with Robosteve.

I don't see any problem with the planets appearing to be the same temperature in FET and RET.
Robosteve does...

So you just felt like restating Robo's own point to him? I clearly mistook your response to me as trying to involve me in the conversation. My bad.
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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #86 on: October 14, 2009, 11:58:35 AM »
So you just felt like restating Robo's own point to him? I clearly mistook your response to me as trying to involve me in the conversation. My bad.

No. You involved yourself by saying you didn't have a problem with planets having the same temperature in both models.

I'd love to hang around and talk about all the things you don't have a problem with, but I feel that they may be numerous.

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Re: Does FET allow for the existence of aliens or other habitable worlds?
« Reply #87 on: October 14, 2009, 12:02:31 PM »
No. You involved yourself by saying you didn't have a problem with planets having the same temperature in both models.

I was involving myself in the general discussion - when you replied to me specifically, I thought you would appreciate a response.  Was I mistaken in that assumption?

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I'd love to hang around and talk about all the things you don't have a problem with, but I feel that they may be numerous.

That's ok, I can't really be bothered anyway.
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