World War 3

It begins.

Habbo raid?

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How?

lol Israel

Yep, this is pretty scary.  If things continue like this, Syria will come to the aid of its tool Hezbollah, dragging Iran into the conflict as well.  What are your thoughts on the relationship between Russian and Iran?  Russia and Hamas?

I see it has going very bad, very quick.

I was going to mention Hezbollah.  Oddly enough (or not really), the media doesn't even seem to recognize Hezbollah, rather calling them "these people in Syria".

And I'm afraid I don't know what you mean about the relationship between Iran and Russia.  I am ignorant of this.  I'll look it up, but it would help if you could get me a good article on it.

And I'm afraid I don't know what you mean about the relationship between Iran and Russia.  I am ignorant of this.  I'll look it up, but it would help if you could get me a good article on it.

Well, I don't know much about it either; that's why I was asking.  I feel that Russia has been more friendly towards Iran than the rest of the world.  Iran does lots of business with Russia.  As for Hamas, right after they were elected to government in Palestine, Russia invited a delegate to visit Moscow.

Everyone does business with Russia. Where do you think all of the AK-47's come from?

As for Hamas, right after they were elected to government in Palestine, Russia invited a delegate to visit Moscow.

That's very interesting...but I'm afraid of coming to a conclusion because of it alone.

I definitely need to find information on this.

Everyone does business with Russia.

But not so many people do business with Iran.

That's very interesting...but I'm afraid of coming to a conclusion because of it alone.

Definitely, but it's enough to make me worried.

I think the chances of this deal blowing up in everyones face is not a remote one in the least, frankly, I'm also scared on this one.

Frankly, I just pray that no country decides to result to the final option, and use nuclear weapons, that would be horrendous.

While I think that this a dangerous situation, I also think that sometimes small-scale wars are necesary, just as sometimes between friends, there needs to be fights in which people are POed for a while, as long as nothing regrettable is done

War isn't regrettable?

I think the chances of this deal blowing up in everyones face is not a remote one in the least, frankly, I'm also scared on this one.

Frankly, I just pray that no country decides to result to the final option, and use nuclear weapons, that would be horrendous.

While I think that this a dangerous situation, I also think that sometimes small-scale wars are necesary, just as sometimes between friends, there needs to be fights in which people are POed for a while, as long as nothing regrettable is done

Fights where people die.
However while I'm concerned for people living in Lebanon and Israel, as my Lebanese accaintaancese have family there and several Jewish people I know where on a trip to Israel, and I veryt much hope they all get throught the conflict okay Im not too concerned from a geopolitical staandpoint. This wont escalate much past at most an Israeli-Syrian war. Te Israelis wont want to attack Iran and derail anti nuclear talks (despite being quite ready to use force if the talks fail) and the Syrain army would be easily decimated by the Israelis. WHile this is as tragic and painful and worthless as all wars WWIII it is not
What angers me most is that the war will accomplish nothing. Odds are the soldiers wont be rescued Hezbollah wont be destroyed and anti Jewish feeling in the region will only rise. HAving watched here in Montreal two rallies pro Hezbollah/Palestine/Lebanon and ro Israel and seeing people standing just across the street from their political adversaries looking them in the eye seeing the pain and fear for their loved ones and still continuing their narrowminded bullshit rantings about Zionist aggression or defensive action made me want to shake the lot of them
An enraged and disgusted
Cinlef

I believe my post was misunderstood a bit, first of all war is regrettable but sometimes unavoidable.

There was a lot of conflict in that region, now it has escalated, and I am personally under the belief that a little small conflict sometimes brings less conflict in countries.

Although what Cinclef was saying has swayed my opinion a bit, I was not taking into account anti-Jewish attitudes that could lead to more meaningless conflict

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ERrr was't it Hezbollahs abduction of 2 Israeli soldiers that initiated the current round of war?
It owuld seem that at the very least it is Hezbollahs aggression that is the proximate cause of the current conflict. Which is odd since the Israelis have withdrawn from Gaza and have up until a week ago not maintained a military presence in Lebanon for 6 years.
Which is not to say the Plaestinians to not have legitimate grievances merely that this current round of iolence seems to have been initiated by Hezbollah.
But let me guess the ZIonist media is brainwashing me?
Sigh
Not that it matters to the people who are dying whose fault this really is
An enraged and disgusted
Cinlef

At some point, I see Turkey becoming for however briefly a very powerful force in the future.  I imagine the possibility that secularized muslim Turkey could emerge from a world war as the dominant muslim country in the world.  I believe the forces of modernity would greatly desire to see Turkey rather than religious Iran as the most powerful muslim country.

  The greatest jewish false messiah of the modern age was "shabbetai tzvi" who had jewish adherents from throughout Europe, North Africa, and the Near East in the 1660's.  He lost many followers after forced conversion to islam by the Turkish Sultan.  However, his followers in Europe converted to catholicism bu continued to follow his teachiongs secretly.  There were known after the leader of tzvi's Polish followers, Jacob Frank and were called Frankists.  In Ottoman muslim lands, they were called Donmeh.  This information is available from most jewish history sources.  

  I later discovered from Greek scholars on Turkish history who knew nothing of these details of jewish history that a small clique in Turkey controls all the top posts in the military, government, media, and corporate finance.  And this small and most powerful of all groups in Turkey is called the Donmeh.  Kemal Ataturk was one of their number.  And the chief division in Turkish politics these days is between traditional muslims and the secular Kemalists who have generally had control of the military and the upper hand if not the majority.  

  Turkey is the state of israel's closest muslim ally.  Syria and Greece are politically enemies of the Turks (unless you are talking about the tyrannical pro-american junts of 1967-1974).  Actually, Iran is vying with the US for Turkish favor.  

  The founder of the Hellenic resistance to Ottoman occupation of Greece in the 1700's which  led to the Greek War of Independence in the 1820's was a monk named Cosmas of Aetolia.  He prophesied that after the Greeks had acheived Independence, Turkey would be great again, greater than ever before - even when they were at the gates of Vienna in the late 1600's.  They will attmept to devour Greece and in Greece's hour of darkness, Russia with an alliance of six other countries will invade Turkey.  This will be an excessively bloody world war between Russia and Turkey in which Turkey will cease to exist from the face of the earth forever.  The prophecy of Cosmas Aetolos is that turkish people will be divided into three parts:

1) a third of the turks will convert to the Orthodox Church
2) a third of the turks will die
3) a third of the turks will return to the lands of central asia from whence they originally migrated

  Greece will reacquire Constantinople and all of Sia Minor all the way to Iran will become Greek thus reviving the ancient Byzantine Empire.  There will be an Orthodox Christian  king born in Cyprus over this Empire named King John.  After his benign reign, every ruler will be progressively worse and worse until a certain Jewish king arises in Jerusalem who will allegedly set eveything aright.

  Nasser of Egpyt (Soviet backed), the most popular muslim leader of the twentieth century ran the Greeks and other europeans out of Egyot in the 1960's, but he was still not a murderer like Kemal Ataturk who butchered the Greeks in 1922.  Nasser simply made life more difficult for non-muslims (except for Coptics) as well as for muslims he viewed as extremists like the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood.    This was possibly connected to Nasser's friendship with Eisenhower.  (His pro-american successor Sadat did persecute Coptics and was hated by his own countrymen.  No wonder Sadat was assasinated)

  Assad of Syria, on the other hand, was far more tolerant than his counterpart in Egypt.  There is a huge non-muslim minority in Syria as the government of Assad never made life difficult for Syria's minorities the way that Nasser did.  Not surprisingly, america maligned the relatively more tolerant Assad.

  After the Mossad, the most horrible assasination network in the Near East was the SAVAK of Iran, which was created by the Mossad and the CIA in the mid-1950's after the americans reinstalled a puppet government in Iran after Mossadegh's brief ousting of foreign colonialist oil companies in 1953.  The Iranian king was a puppet of the west.  The SAVAK, which had murdered Robert Kennedy among other things, was abolished by Ayatollah Khomeini in 1979 after the Shah was overthrown.  

  As for HAMAS, I believe Arafat and his Fatah had long sice become the kind of Palestinians that israelis prefer to deal with.  I doubt HAMAS would have been allowed to win elections, if Mahmoud Abbas was not the Palestinian president.  He is a traitor and israel's ace in the hole.  He is clearly for disarming every Palestinian while he has no problem with israelis owning guns.  He has done nothing to protest the israeli bombings of Gaza or Lebanon.  He is clearly Arafat's successor, and perhaps worse.  With friends like him, who needs enemies?

  The Russians and the Chinese nominally support the Iranian president.  Earlier this year he sent Bush an as yet unanswered letter which contained proposals to work through the current melee of problems with an eye towards avoiding the breakout of war.  It was an effort to maintain peace, and it also gave his Russian and Chinese supporters something to work with.  Among other things in the letter, he had stated that in his most controversial statement that the state of israel should be removed from the map, he said in the letter to Bush that he did NOT mean that jews should be annihilated, but that the state of israel should be relocated to europe or america as it is a settler state created and dominated by european jews, a foreign force of occupation that does not have the right to the land of Palestine which belongs to the natives of Palestine.

  I have read that Putin has a different view of the situation than Bush does which is not surprising as Bush's view is to blame Hizzobolah as the cause of all the problems as an answer to israeli mass murders of palestinians in Gaza as well as Palestinians and Lebanese to the north.  The israelis are the ones doing the killing.  The israelis initiated the current round of killing.  Hizzbolah are the only ones brave enough to stand up to the israeli murderers.  The Hizzbolah are heroes who should be recognized and rewarded.  The Hizzbolah have a established a museum of israeli (and israeli surrogate SLA) in south Lebanon which is very good to visit and a testimony to israeli cruelty.  The record of this cruelty is recorded by British 'Independent' columnist Robert Fisk in his book 'Pity the Nation.'  Fisk is the most senior European columnist in the entire near east and has been based in Lebanon since the 1970's.  "pity the Nation' is a first hand account of the israeli-Lebanese war.

  The Bush position is one sided in favor of the israelis who have both initiated the killing and killed by far the most people.  As the israelis are always the cause of the killing and have EARNED countless numbers of enemies, the Iranian president's solution is the only one I can imagine that would bring peace by simply eliminating the cause of the problem.

- Dionysios

That is a legitimate matter for concern.  I never really thought about it.

And I'm sure if Israel was "transfered" to America or Europe that all the Dionysos's would welcome us Jews into their countries with open arms just like they did 65 years ago....

Thank you but no thank you; I think we'll stay put right here where we belong, katyushas, suicide bombers, and all....

And I'm sure if Israel was "transfered" to America or Europe that all the Dionysos's would welcome us Jews into their countries with open arms just like they did 65 years ago....

Thank you but no thank you; I think we'll stay put right here where we belong, katyushas, suicide bombers, and all....

A valid point.
Also mbczion glad to hear from you. Was wondering what how you were faring onsidering the recent upswing of violence in the region
ou and your family are okay I hope?
A concerned
Cinlef

Thanks for you concern, Cinlef....

We are closer to Jerusalem, so we are not taking any of the missles.  Actually many people are fleeing from the north of the country to seek refuge in the center, but for now, at least, my family and I are safe....

Thanks for asking

Thanks for you concern, Cinlef....

We are closer to Jerusalem, so we are not taking any of the missles.  Actually many people are fleeing from the north of the country to seek refuge in the center, but for now, at least, my family and I are safe....

Thanks for asking

Glad to hear your okay.
An pleased
Cinlef

Asking as someone with limited knowledge (but a rising interest) in the fragile network of relationships in the Middle East, do you think there's much chance that a lot of the other surounding countries could get draged into the conflict?

Certainly very scary stuff - I also feel very sorry for all the foreign nationals that are living in Lebanon trying to escape. The Australians in aparticular are having a very rough time trying to get out - our Goverment is once again bumbling around with no idea - still no firm bookings for for boats etc to get anyone out, our nearest warships are in the Gulf and apprently would tkae too long to get there

There was a fantastic email printed on the front page of the paper today from a student living in Beirut about the difficulties he's facing with the Australian Foreign Affairs Dept - just disgusting. :evil:

Canada is having simmilar trouble. Thats what years of neglect to the military will do to a navy.We had to rent ships.
An disgusted
Cinlef

Canada is having simmilar trouble. Thats what years of neglect to the military will do to a navy.We had to rent ships.
An disgusted
Cinlef

:lol: That's terribly amusing to me for some reason.

Then again, Canada doesn't make it a habit to exploit other countries so throroughly or get involved in foreign affairs under dubious pretenses. I don't walk around with a gun because I don't make it a habit to put myself in situations where I'm going to need one. America (and too many Americans) greatly underestimate the power of diplomacy and reason.

But far to many of my fellow Canadian underestimate the need for a strong military. Its essential to maintain our sovreingty and allow us to protect our citizens abroad (as seen by the fact it took several days to lease ships rather than sending our own like the French) and in the event of natural disaters
Canada has masters speak softly we just need the big stick.
An disapointed
Cinlef

The main delay for the Australian evacuation is because the Charter Company (Um... QEII perhaps?  :shock: ) our Govt used actually DOUBLE-BOOKED! Unbelievable.

Between this. the in-fighting within the party, and the bungled re-patriation of our first Iraq casualty, I'd say the last month has been a death sentence (hopefully/finally after 10 yrs in power) for our PM.

It doesn't matter that people say Johns doin the wrong thing, coz people still vote for him.

And we face the same problem as Canada. They have many more warships then us, except we did not 'rent' we just said hey, give us your boats biatch!

Plus, on the other hand, we have 5 brand spanking new Airbuses sitting at Sydney Airport....why not use them?? StOOpid government is too scared to risk expensive planes.