World War 3

LOL yeah it's lunch time here! Yummy! Nice and Sunny and warm too! A nice surprise for September

I'm sure if bombs were falling in my home city, or any of our home cities, we would want them stop stop no matter what  the cost. :?

Quote from: "Rick_James"

I'm sure if bombs were falling in my home city, or any of our home cities, we would want them stop stop no matter what  the cost. :?

Yeah, that's my point.  We all have the luxury of sitting back in our war-free homes in our war-free countries and observing with some detachment what others are doing.  It's a double-edged sword, because we also have the opportunity to view objectively some actions and respond, "Look, Israel, we all think you've gone a bit too far here."

I think those of us with the aforementioned luxury have suffered the side-effect of hoping that world peace could be ours if only everybody would just put their guns down and be nice to each other.  That strategy is a game-theoretic nightmare.

Quote from: Dionysios

At some point, I see Turkey becoming for however briefly a very powerful force in the future.  I imagine the possibility that secularized muslim Turkey could emerge from a world war as the dominant muslim country in the world.  I believe the forces of modernity would greatly desire to see Turkey rather than religious Iran as the most powerful muslim country.

  The greatest jewish false messiah of the modern age was "shabbetai tzvi" who had jewish adherents from throughout Europe, North Africa, and the Near East in the 1660's.  He lost many followers after forced conversion to islam by the Turkish Sultan.  However, his followers in Europe converted to catholicism bu continued to follow his teachiongs secretly.  There were known after the leader of tzvi's Polish followers, Jacob Frank and were called Frankists.  In Ottoman muslim lands, they were called Donmeh.  This information is available from most jewish history sources.  

  I later discovered from Greek scholars on Turkish history who knew nothing of these details of jewish history that a small clique in Turkey controls all the top posts in the military, government, media, and corporate finance.  And this small and most powerful of all groups in Turkey is called the Donmeh.  Kemal Ataturk was one of their number.  And the chief division in Turkish politics these days is between traditional muslims and the secular Kemalists who have generally had control of the military and the upper hand if not the majority.  

  Turkey is the state of israel's closest muslim ally.  Syria and Greece are politically enemies of the Turks (unless you are talking about the tyrannical pro-american junts of 1967-1974).  Actually, Iran is vying with the US for Turkish favor.  

  The founder of the Hellenic resistance to Ottoman occupation of Greece in the 1700's which  led to the Greek War of Independence in the 1820's was a monk named Cosmas of Aetolia.  He prophesied that after the Greeks had acheived Independence, Turkey would be great again, greater than ever before - even when they were at the gates of Vienna in the late 1600's.  They will attmept to devour Greece and in Greece's hour of darkness, Russia with an alliance of six other countries will invade Turkey.  This will be an excessively bloody world war between Russia and Turkey in which Turkey will cease to exist from the face of the earth forever.  The prophecy of Cosmas Aetolos is that turkish people will be divided into three parts:

1) a third of the turks will convert to the Orthodox Church
2) a third of the turks will die
3) a third of the turks will return to the lands of central asia from whence they originally migrated

  Greece will reacquire Constantinople and all of Sia Minor all the way to Iran will become Greek thus reviving the ancient Byzantine Empire.  There will be an Orthodox Christian  king born in Cyprus over this Empire named King John.  After his benign reign, every ruler will be progressively worse and worse until a certain Jewish king arises in Jerusalem who will allegedly set eveything aright.

  Nasser of Egpyt (Soviet backed), the most popular muslim leader of the twentieth century ran the Greeks and other europeans out of Egyot in the 1960's, but he was still not a murderer like Kemal Ataturk who butchered the Greeks in 1922.  Nasser simply made life more difficult for non-muslims (except for Coptics) as well as for muslims he viewed as extremists like the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood.    This was possibly connected to Nasser's friendship with Eisenhower.  (His pro-american successor Sadat did persecute Coptics and was hated by his own countrymen.  No wonder Sadat was assasinated)

  Assad of Syria, on the other hand, was far more tolerant than his counterpart in Egypt.  There is a huge non-muslim minority in Syria as the government of Assad never made life difficult for Syria's minorities the way that Nasser did.  Not surprisingly, america maligned the relatively more tolerant Assad.

  After the Mossad, the most horrible assasination network in the Near East was the SAVAK of Iran, which was created by the Mossad and the CIA in the mid-1950's after the americans reinstalled a puppet government in Iran after Mossadegh's brief ousting of foreign colonialist oil companies in 1953.  The Iranian king was a puppet of the west.  The SAVAK, which had murdered Robert Kennedy among other things, was abolished by Ayatollah Khomeini in 1979 after the Shah was overthrown.  

  As for HAMAS, I believe Arafat and his Fatah had long sice become the kind of Palestinians that israelis prefer to deal with.  I doubt HAMAS would have been allowed to win elections, if Mahmoud Abbas was not the Palestinian president.  He is a traitor and israel's ace in the hole.  He is clearly for disarming every Palestinian while he has no problem with israelis owning guns.  He has done nothing to protest the israeli bombings of Gaza or Lebanon.  He is clearly Arafat's successor, and perhaps worse.  With friends like him, who needs enemies?

  The Russians and the Chinese nominally support the Iranian president.  Earlier this year he sent Bush an as yet unanswered letter which contained proposals to work through the current melee of problems with an eye towards avoiding the breakout of war.  It was an effort to maintain peace, and it also gave his Russian and Chinese supporters something to work with.  Among other things in the letter, he had stated that in his most controversial statement that the state of israel should be removed from the map, he said in the letter to Bush that he did NOT mean that jews should be annihilated, but that the state of israel should be relocated to europe or america as it is a settler state created and dominated by european jews, a foreign force of occupation that does not have the right to the land of Palestine which belongs to the natives of Palestine.

  I have read that Putin has a different view of the situation than Bush does which is not surprising as Bush's view is to blame Hizzobolah as the cause of all the problems as an answer to israeli mass murders of palestinians in Gaza as well as Palestinians and Lebanese to the north.  The israelis are the ones doing the killing.  The israelis initiated the current round of killing.  Hizzbolah are the only ones brave enough to stand up to the israeli murderers.  The Hizzbolah are heroes who should be recognized and rewarded.  The Hizzbolah have a established a museum of israeli (and israeli surrogate SLA) in south Lebanon which is very good to visit and a testimony to israeli cruelty.  The record of this cruelty is recorded by British 'Independent' columnist Robert Fisk in his book 'Pity the Nation.'  Fisk is the most senior European columnist in the entire near east and has been based in Lebanon since the 1970's.  "pity the Nation' is a first hand account of the israeli-Lebanese war.

  The Bush position is one sided in favor of the israelis who have both initiated the killing and killed by far the most people.  As the israelis are always the cause of the killing and have EARNED countless numbers of enemies, the Iranian president's solution is the only one I can imagine that would bring peace by simply eliminating the cause of the problem.

- Dionysios

this smells like you pulled it from a pro-muslim extreamist website.

Oh wait, you did. Paraphrasing into your own words 4tw.

I'll spare you the embarassment of posting the link. Next time be more careful.

17 November = Dionysios?

  The founder of the Hellenic resistance to Ottoman occupation of Greece in the 1700's which  led to the Greek War of Independence in the 1820's was a monk named Cosmas of Aetolia.

17 November = Dionysios?

17 November = troll who likes to post in a cryptic and retarded fashion

Quote from: Saddam Hussein

17 November = troll who likes to post in a cryptic and retarded fashion

May God bless you with peace and goodwill towards men.

May God have mercy on your soul.

I do genuinely appreciate that.

By the way, thanks for mentioning the Punisher.  Lately, I have mostly been at Davis's .net site whenever I had the time and never even knew the Punisher existed.  I only glanced at a couple of articles, and although I believe that the Garden of Eden is located in the far East rather than the arctic like Punisher believes, his general approach does indeed seem to indicate a kindred spirit.

Thanks again for this notification which I will ascribe as your contribution to the flat earth cause.

I think the chances of this deal blowing up in everyones face is not a remote one in the least, frankly, I'm also scared on this one.

Frankly, I just pray that no country decides to result to the final option, and use nuclear weapons, that would be horrendous.

While I think that this a dangerous situation, I also think that sometimes small-scale wars are necesary, just as sometimes between friends, there needs to be fights in which people are POed for a while, as long as nothing regrettable is done

... 17 November.  He's a good guy.

Quote from: 17 November on June 28, 2009, 11:48:37 AM

By the way, thanks for mentioning the Punisher...
Thanks again for this notification which I will ascribe as your contribution to the flat earth cause.