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Thevoiceofreason

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« on: September 27, 2009, 01:47:16 PM »
Quote from: Parsifal on September 27, 2009, 12:38:59 AM
Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 26, 2009, 07:41:26 PM
however what happens when light is pointed perpendicularly towards the earth?
because in our RE, it would speed up.

Light doesn't speed up in any model. The speed of light (in vacuum) is a universal constant, in accordance with Maxwell's laws of electromagnetism.

Um, yes it does. Ever heard of black holes. and please stop flaunting your status of intelligence. Dude, you don't believe in gravity.
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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2009, 01:48:44 PM »
Quote from: Parsifal on September 27, 2009, 08:40:35 AM
Quote from: Atom Man on September 27, 2009, 08:19:47 AM
Would this result in red, blue shift then? If the light "accelerating" towards Earth results in blue shift, the how do you account for red shift of stars.

The matter in the stars has fundamentally different properties from that on Earth, causing the line spectra to appear shifted.

Wow, so what exactly are the stars made of?
and how come that stuff has mass, but the earth does not.
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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2009, 01:50:20 PM »
Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 01:47:16 PM
Um, yes it does. Ever heard of black holes.

Yes I have, funnily enough. Ever heard of relativity?

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 01:47:16 PM
and please stop flaunting your status of intelligence. Dude, you don't believe in gravity.

That is a libelous non-sequitur.
« Last Edit: September 27, 2009, 02:04:32 PM by Parsifal »
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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2009, 01:51:31 PM »
Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 01:48:44 PM
Wow, so what exactly are the stars made of?

Probably particles with similar, but subtly different, properties to those with which we are familiar.

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 01:48:44 PM
and how come that stuff has mass, but the earth does not.

The Earth does have mass.
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Thevoiceofreason

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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2009, 02:22:39 PM »
Quote from: Parsifal on September 27, 2009, 01:50:20 PM
Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 01:47:16 PM
Um, yes it does. Ever heard of black holes.

Yes I have, funnily enough. Ever heard of relativity?

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 01:47:16 PM
and please stop flaunting your status of intelligence. Dude, you don't believe in gravity.

That is a libelous non-sequitur.

Yeppers.


libelous: printing fake information on someone,
and you said before that I was insulting your intelligence by coming up with an alternative theory, aka self righteousness.

Again.  Dude, you don't believe in gravity.
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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2009, 02:24:44 PM »
Quote from: Parsifal on September 27, 2009, 01:51:31 PM
Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 01:48:44 PM
Wow, so what exactly are the stars made of?

Probably particles with similar, but subtly different, properties to those with which we are familiar.

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 01:48:44 PM
and how come that stuff has mass, but the earth does not.

The Earth does have mass.


ok, so NOT hydrogen/helium.

when I say mass, I mean it causes the bending of spacetime aka gravity.
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« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2009, 02:27:31 PM »
Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 02:22:39 PM
Dude, you don't believe in gravity.

This, specifically, is the libelous part of your post. Can you come up with any evidence to support this statement?

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 02:24:44 PM
ok, so NOT hydrogen/helium.

Quite correct.

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 02:24:44 PM
when I say mass, I mean it causes the bending of spacetime aka gravity.

So do I.
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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2009, 02:29:49 PM »
Quote from: Parsifal on September 27, 2009, 02:27:31 PM
Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 02:22:39 PM
Dude, you don't believe in gravity.

This, specifically, is the libelous part of your post. Can you come up with any evidence to support this statement?

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 02:24:44 PM
ok, so NOT hydrogen/helium.

Quite correct.

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 02:24:44 PM
when I say mass, I mean it causes the bending of spacetime aka gravity.

So do I.


Wait, maybe I don't understand your viewpoint.

do you believe or not, that protons, neutrons, and electrons carry mass?
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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2009, 02:30:42 PM »
Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 02:29:49 PM
Wait, maybe I don't understand your viewpoint.

do you believe or not, that protons, neutrons, and electrons carry mass?

Yes, I do.
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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2009, 04:43:09 PM »
Quote from: Parsifal on September 27, 2009, 02:30:42 PM
Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 02:29:49 PM
Wait, maybe I don't understand your viewpoint.

do you believe or not, that protons, neutrons, and electrons carry mass?

Yes, I do.

and do you believe the earth to be an infinite plane?
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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2009, 04:51:02 PM »
Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 04:43:09 PM
and do you believe the earth to be an infinite plane?

No.
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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2009, 05:20:33 PM »
Quote from: Parsifal on September 27, 2009, 04:51:02 PM
Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 04:43:09 PM
and do you believe the earth to be an infinite plane?

No.

So I assume you believe the earth to be a disk.

in that case, how can things accelerate perpendicularly downward at every point on your earth?
gravity vectors for a single field go to one point in space, so unless this point is infinitely far,  I
cannot see how the vectors can be normal to the surface.
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« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2009, 05:24:01 PM »
Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 05:20:33 PM
So I assume you believe the earth to be a disk.

Don't assume with Robosteve. He'll only come back and say "Where did I ever say I believed the earth to be like a disk."

Best walk away in fact.
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« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2009, 05:45:20 PM »
Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 05:20:33 PM
So I assume you believe the earth to be a disk.

What gave you that impression?
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« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2009, 06:16:45 PM »
Quote from: Crustinator on September 27, 2009, 05:24:01 PM
Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 05:20:33 PM
So I assume you believe the earth to be a disk.

Don't assume with Robosteve. He'll only come back and say "Where did I ever say I believed the earth to be like a disk."

Best walk away in fact.

way to predict the future.

and @Parsifal, what do you believe the shape of the earth to be?
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« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2009, 06:29:18 PM »
Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 06:16:45 PM
and @Parsifal, what do you believe the shape of the earth to be?

Quote from: Parsifal on September 26, 2009, 01:44:39 PM
I don't believe the Earth to be any particular shape.
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« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2009, 06:30:38 PM »
Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 06:16:45 PM
way to predict the future

I'm glad to be of assistance.
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« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2009, 07:44:28 PM »
Quote from: Parsifal on September 27, 2009, 06:29:18 PM
Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 06:16:45 PM
and @Parsifal, what do you believe the shape of the earth to be?

Quote from: Parsifal on September 26, 2009, 01:44:39 PM
I don't believe the Earth to be any particular shape.

what.

could you explain that a bit?
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« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2009, 07:45:35 PM »
Something growing by 100 billion tons a day definitely has not fixed shape, especially when it is constantly being weathered and shifted by plate tectonics.
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« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2009, 07:45:40 PM »
Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 07:44:28 PM
what.

could you explain that a bit?

I don't have any belief that the Earth is a specific shape.
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« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2009, 07:48:35 PM »
Quote from: Parsifal on September 27, 2009, 07:45:40 PM
Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 07:44:28 PM
what.

could you explain that a bit?

I don't have any belief that the Earth is a specific shape.

so does it change its shape?
what do you figure is its mass?
I am very very confounded.
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« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2009, 07:50:41 PM »
Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 07:48:35 PM
so does it change its shape?

It could.

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 07:48:35 PM
what do you figure is its mass?

Could be anything, across a wide range of orders of magnitude.

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 07:48:35 PM
I am very very confounded.

I don't see why. It's a very straightforward concept.
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« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2009, 07:50:58 PM »
Quote from: Raist on September 27, 2009, 07:45:35 PM
Something growing by 100 billion tons a day definitely has not fixed shape, especially when it is constantly being weathered and shifted by plate tectonics.
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« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2009, 10:00:37 PM »
Quote from: Parsifal on September 27, 2009, 07:50:41 PM
Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 07:48:35 PM
so does it change its shape?

It could.

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 07:48:35 PM
what do you figure is its mass?

Could be anything, across a wide range of orders of magnitude.

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 07:48:35 PM
I am very very confounded.

I don't see why. It's a very straightforward concept.

I am confused, because you are telling me that you have no clue what the size or shape of the earth is.
This is a little unsettling, because I've never heard of such a belief, and so obviously, I am perplexed.

are you saying the earth has no shape or size, or that you are not sure.
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« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2009, 10:03:45 PM »
Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 10:00:37 PM
Quote from: Parsifal on September 27, 2009, 07:50:41 PM
Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 07:48:35 PM
so does it change its shape?

It could.

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 07:48:35 PM
what do you figure is its mass?

Could be anything, across a wide range of orders of magnitude.

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 07:48:35 PM
I am very very confounded.

I don't see why. It's a very straightforward concept.

I am confused, because you are telling me that you have no clue what the size or shape of the earth is.
This is a little unsettling, because I've never heard of such a belief, and so obviously, I am perplexed.

are you saying the earth has no shape or size, or that you are not sure.

The size and the shape of the earth are changing constantly. Is reading my post that hard?
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« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2009, 10:04:01 PM »
Quote from: Raist on September 27, 2009, 07:50:58 PM
Quote from: Raist on September 27, 2009, 07:45:35 PM
Something growing by 100 billion tons a day definitely has not fixed shape, especially when it is constantly being weathered and shifted by plate tectonics.

you think the earth is growing and changing shape?
I am asking for an approximate shape. any description will due.
like how deep is it?
does it have holes deep inside?
does it have finite mass currently
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« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2009, 10:06:26 PM »
Quote from: Raist on September 27, 2009, 10:03:45 PM
Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 10:00:37 PM
Quote from: Parsifal on September 27, 2009, 07:50:41 PM
Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 07:48:35 PM
so does it change its shape?

It could.

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 07:48:35 PM
what do you figure is its mass?

Could be anything, across a wide range of orders of magnitude.

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 07:48:35 PM
I am very very confounded.

I don't see why. It's a very straightforward concept.

I am confused, because you are telling me that you have no clue what the size or shape of the earth is.
This is a little unsettling, because I've never heard of such a belief, and so obviously, I am perplexed.

are you saying the earth has no shape or size, or that you are not sure.

The size and the shape of the earth are changing constantly. Is reading my post that hard?

and what point did I start talking with you? I was unaware that you existed untill my last post
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« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2009, 11:24:28 PM »
Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 10:06:26 PM
Quote from: Raist on September 27, 2009, 10:03:45 PM
Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 10:00:37 PM
Quote from: Parsifal on September 27, 2009, 07:50:41 PM
Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 07:48:35 PM
so does it change its shape?

It could.

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 07:48:35 PM
what do you figure is its mass?

Could be anything, across a wide range of orders of magnitude.

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 07:48:35 PM
I am very very confounded.

I don't see why. It's a very straightforward concept.

I am confused, because you are telling me that you have no clue what the size or shape of the earth is.
This is a little unsettling, because I've never heard of such a belief, and so obviously, I am perplexed.

are you saying the earth has no shape or size, or that you are not sure.

The size and the shape of the earth are changing constantly. Is reading my post that hard?

and what point did I start talking with you? I was unaware that you existed untill my last post

You should try reading. Like I said is it really that hard to read my post?
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« Reply #28 on: September 28, 2009, 06:28:35 AM »
If it's growing and shifting every day, that's just your way of worming out of making a map, isn't it?

If it WAS growing and shifting everyday, why do RE maps still explain where everything is?
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« Reply #29 on: September 28, 2009, 07:44:43 AM »
Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on September 27, 2009, 10:00:37 PM
I am confused, because you are telling me that you have no clue what the size or shape of the earth is.
This is a little unsettling, because I've never heard of such a belief, and so obviously, I am perplexed.

are you saying the earth has no shape or size, or that you are not sure.

I'm saying that I am not sure. I don't see sufficient evidence for any one shape to compel me to believe in it, and so I remain agnostic about the shape of the Earth.
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