The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.

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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #30 on: October 05, 2009, 12:25:55 PM »
If you don't like what you hear, suggest a better way of modelling the Moon in FET.

Wel that's the real trick, isn't it? There is no proper way to model the Moon in FET. If it is far away, then that pokes holes in it rising and setting. If it is close, then that gives you the problem of seeing different parts of it, if it is a spheroid. If it's a flat disc, that negates that problem but then you are left with no explanation of libration or the curvature of its surface features. Similarly, the phases make no sense on a disc. In a nutshell, there is not one single Flat Earth model of the Moon that is consistent with all observations.
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #31 on: October 05, 2009, 12:29:05 PM »
Wel that's the real trick, isn't it? There is no proper way to model the Moon in FET.

Just because neither you nor I can come up with one doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and since the Earth is flat there must be a solution.
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #32 on: October 05, 2009, 12:34:38 PM »
Or you could accept the working solutions for RE?
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #33 on: October 05, 2009, 12:53:25 PM »
Or you could accept the working solutions for RE?

If by 'working solutions' you mean 'carefully crafted deception', then yes, I could accept then and bury my head in the intellectual sand.  However, I have chosen not to.
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #34 on: October 05, 2009, 02:25:32 PM »
You can see the other bits of the moon because the weather system on the moon is not perfectly transparent.
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #35 on: October 05, 2009, 05:40:32 PM »
Wel that's the real trick, isn't it? There is no proper way to model the Moon in FET.

Just because neither you nor I can come up with one doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and since the Earth is flat there must be a solution.

Hmmm, nobody in the entire history of civilisation has so far come up with a theory that fully describes every observation of the Moon - except for the simple one proposed by the round earthers - that the Moon is a large sphere, very far away, that orbits a spherical earth, which in turn orbits the Sun at an even greater distance. Funny how that one sentence there provides an explanation for phases, eclipses, libration, tides, appearance of features on the Moon - everything.
Saying "There must be a solution because the earth is flat" is circular logic. If there doesn't appear to be a solution in your scenario, then maybe there isn't one.
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #36 on: October 06, 2009, 05:37:47 AM »
You can see the other bits of the moon because the weather system on the moon is not perfectly transparent.

Seriously! What are you talking about now? Weather systems on the moon... I have never heard of this before, and for a good reason most likely. Please enlighten me.
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #37 on: October 06, 2009, 06:05:00 AM »
You can see the other bits of the moon because the weather system on the moon is not perfectly transparent.

Seriously! What are you talking about now? Weather systems on the moon... I have never heard of this before, and for a good reason most likely. Please enlighten me.

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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #38 on: October 06, 2009, 06:17:51 AM »
Part of the problem is that I find it difficult to accept FE references for confirming FE concepts. I really don't see how it can be considered valid information or a reliable source. It's kind of like how religious types claim that the bible is the word of god because the bible says so. A wide range of references beyond FES links and "Earth not a globe" are really required for developing a strong argument. 
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #39 on: October 06, 2009, 06:36:12 AM »
For some odd reason, FE'ers seem to like to make things a lot more complicated than they need to be.
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #40 on: October 06, 2009, 06:57:37 AM »
Part of the problem is that I find it difficult to accept FE references for confirming FE concepts. I really don't see how it can be considered valid information or a reliable source. It's kind of like how religious types claim that the bible is the word of god because the bible says so. A wide range of references beyond FES links and "Earth not a globe" are really required for developing a strong argument. 

Most flat earth believers would not expect you to accept flat earth references with which you disagree.  Consideration of flat earth concepts with an open mind is enough.

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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #41 on: October 06, 2009, 07:22:37 AM »
That's not his problem.

His problem is that all solutions are pretty much fairy tales being said about physics by FEers.

When the only reference you have is a post from another user, or E:NaG, you don't have references.
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #42 on: October 06, 2009, 07:35:41 AM »

Most flat earth believers would not expect you to accept flat earth references with which you disagree.  Consideration of flat earth concepts with an open mind is enough.

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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #43 on: October 06, 2009, 07:38:15 AM »
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Sorry.
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #44 on: October 06, 2009, 07:43:54 AM »
'sokay.  Conversions of round earth enthusiasts ain't really our shtick.  :)

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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #45 on: October 06, 2009, 09:19:16 AM »
And actually a round moon does cause a problem for FET, as if the moon was moving around the earth at the close distance you say it is, someone looking at the moon from Britain would see a different part of it to someone looking at it from Canada. Assuming the moon is directly over the atlantic at the time of observation.
Don't forget to factor in bendy light. It would seem you're thinking of the model as if the line of observation to the moon made a triangle reaching the side of it.
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #46 on: October 06, 2009, 09:22:08 AM »
Still, if it was a sphere and as close as stated, I'm sure people would get different views of it.

Also, on the topic of bendy light, I want to see a diagram of a ship sinking over a horizon.
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #47 on: October 06, 2009, 09:53:51 AM »
Hmmm, nobody in the entire history of civilisation has so far come up with a theory that fully describes every observation of the Moon - except for the simple one proposed by the round earthers - that the Moon is a large sphere, very far away, that orbits a spherical earth, which in turn orbits the Sun at an even greater distance. Funny how that one sentence there provides an explanation for phases, eclipses, libration, tides, appearance of features on the Moon - everything.
Saying "There must be a solution because the earth is flat" is circular logic. If there doesn't appear to be a solution in your scenario, then maybe there isn't one.

I'm confident that the true FE solution can be expressed in equally succinct terms, although thanks to a lifetime of RET propaganda and the decades of careful planning on the part of the Conspiracy the RE solution appears to be superior at present.  This is merely the result of the enormous resources that have been spent misinforming the public, combined with the fact that FE science just can't compete on a financial and time level with the Conspiracy.  We'll get there eventually, as the truth always does, but it's going to take time.
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #48 on: October 06, 2009, 01:01:20 PM »
And actually a round moon does cause a problem for FET, as if the moon was moving around the earth at the close distance you say it is, someone looking at the moon from Britain would see a different part of it to someone looking at it from Canada. Assuming the moon is directly over the atlantic at the time of observation.
Don't forget to factor in bendy light. It would seem you're thinking of the model as if the line of observation to the moon made a triangle reaching the side of it.

Sorry, this type of bendy light theory already disproved by myself and Senoctar. No, I won't go through explaining it again, I have already outlined it on about four or five seperate occasions, and no I won't link to the thread. If you want to read up on it, use the search function.
Additionally, with the Moon, your bendy light theory is incompatible with the way background stars would be visible as the same from different locations.
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