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The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« on: September 22, 2009, 02:52:48 PM »
I'm new to FET. I'm a round earther who's trying to question longstanding beliefs-- after all, if I believe the Earth is round just because the authorities tell me it is, I'm using no more of my brain than a Creationist.

So maybe the Earth is flat? I think we can easily argue the moon is flat. If the Earth spins as it orbits around the sun, shouldn't the moon spin as it orbits the Earth? What are the chances that the moon's spin PERFECTLY lines up so we only see one side of it? The moon clearly appears by all observations to be a disk, and to those who say the moon is spherical-- I say extraordinary claims call for extraordinary proof. How many shuttles by how many governments are claimed to have actually circled around to the backside of the moon? Not more than a conspiracy-driven handful, I'm sure. Governments just pretend they've circled the moon so other governments think they're technologically advanced.

What do you have to say to that?
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2009, 03:16:09 PM »
Quote from: minetruly on September 22, 2009, 02:52:48 PM
I'm new to FET. I'm a round earther who's trying to question longstanding beliefs-- after all, if I believe the Earth is round just because the authorities tell me it is, I'm using no more of my brain than a Creationist.

So maybe the Earth is flat? I think we can easily argue the moon is flat. If the Earth spins as it orbits around the sun, shouldn't the moon spin as it orbits the Earth? What are the chances that the moon's spin PERFECTLY lines up so we only see one side of it? The moon clearly appears by all observations to be a disk, and to those who say the moon is spherical-- I say extraordinary claims call for extraordinary proof. How many shuttles by how many governments are claimed to have actually circled around to the backside of the moon? Not more than a conspiracy-driven handful, I'm sure. Governments just pretend they've circled the moon so other governments think they're technologically advanced.

What do you have to say to that?

1. The Moon looks like a sphere. I suggest observing it through a telescope when it is not full - it is immediately apparent  that it is rounded. Foreshortening of features is visible. Libration of the Moon also shows features a little way round the side.
2. A round Moon is consistent with phases. A flat disc Moon isn't.
3. It's not coincidence the Moon keeps the same face turned to us, it's a physical phenomenon but I can't remember the name of it.
4. Moon rocks collected from the Moon are available for study by independent bodies and are demonstrably different from any rocks found on earth.
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2009, 04:53:45 PM »
Quote from: minetruly on September 22, 2009, 02:52:48 PM
I'm new to FET. I'm a round earther who's trying to question longstanding beliefs-- after all, if I believe the Earth is round just because the authorities tell me it is, I'm using no more of my brain than a Creationist.

So maybe the Earth is flat? I think we can easily argue the moon is flat. If the Earth spins as it orbits around the sun, shouldn't the moon spin as it orbits the Earth? What are the chances that the moon's spin PERFECTLY lines up so we only see one side of it? The moon clearly appears by all observations to be a disk, and to those who say the moon is spherical-- I say extraordinary claims call for extraordinary proof. How many shuttles by how many governments are claimed to have actually circled around to the backside of the moon? Not more than a conspiracy-driven handful, I'm sure. Governments just pretend they've circled the moon so other governments think they're technologically advanced.

What do you have to say to that?

As Thermal Detonator told you, it's not by chance that the Moon spin about its axis at the same rate it orbits. Read a bit: http://www.digipro.com/Trials/moon.html
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2009, 01:39:04 PM »
The moon's front face is always its front face because it is tidally locked to the earth. Apparently, a lot of other moons we know of are also tidally locked to their planets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_locking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libration

The pictures in the libration article show that the moon looks like a sphere.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2009, 01:40:46 PM by Pseudointellect »
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2009, 05:03:42 PM »


End of discussion.
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Is this supposed to prove something here?
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Looks pretty flat to me.
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2009, 06:46:11 PM »
Quote from: bl4ke360 on September 23, 2009, 05:03:42 PM


End of discussion.

You do realize that's just a computer simulation, don't you?
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2009, 07:32:58 PM »
Quote from: SupahLovah on September 22, 2009, 04:14:58 PM
LOL. No REer wants to believe in FET and not believe in creationism.

I'm calling this bluff.
I was once a REer, and I don't believe in creationism nor have I ever.
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2009, 10:27:51 PM »
Quote from: markjo on September 23, 2009, 06:46:11 PM
Quote from: bl4ke360 on September 23, 2009, 05:03:42 PM


End of discussion.

You do realize that's just a computer simulation, don't you?

No it's not, they're actual pictures of the moon complied into a GIF time-lapse image.
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Looks pretty flat to me.
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2009, 10:37:41 PM »
Quote from: minetruly on September 22, 2009, 02:52:48 PM
I'm new to FET. I'm a round earther who's trying to question longstanding beliefs-- after all, if I believe the Earth is round just because the authorities tell me it is, I'm using no more of my brain than a Creationist.

So maybe the Earth is flat? I think we can easily argue the moon is flat. If the Earth spins as it orbits around the sun, shouldn't the moon spin as it orbits the Earth? What are the chances that the moon's spin PERFECTLY lines up so we only see one side of it? The moon clearly appears by all observations to be a disk, and to those who say the moon is spherical-- I say extraordinary claims call for extraordinary proof. How many shuttles by how many governments are claimed to have actually circled around to the backside of the moon? Not more than a conspiracy-driven handful, I'm sure. Governments just pretend they've circled the moon so other governments think they're technologically advanced.

What do you have to say to that?
Even if this is intended as sarcasm or irony, it is more subtle and better executed than usual.

Either way, I commend you for this thought-provoking post, OP. Welcome to the forums.
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2009, 01:54:50 PM »
Thank you, Proleg!
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2009, 03:52:05 PM »
Quote from: bl4ke360 on September 23, 2009, 10:27:51 PM
No it's not, they're actual pictures of the moon complied into a GIF time-lapse image.

I see, and you took these pictures yourself?
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minetruly

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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2009, 04:30:17 PM »
Yeah, I don't trust that image-- it could have been CGI'd. The only thing I'd trust is if I went out every night for a month with a telescope and observed it myself, and I'm too lazy to do anything other than read things on my computer.

Matrix, is your icon from xkcd?
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2009, 10:00:37 PM »
Quote from: minetruly on September 29, 2009, 04:30:17 PM
Yeah, I don't trust that image-- it could have been CGI'd. The only thing I'd trust is if I went out every night for a month with a telescope and observed it myself, and I'm too lazy to do anything other than read things on my computer.


You have all the qualities needed of a top flat earth believer. Well done.
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2009, 11:42:36 PM »
Quote from: minetruly on September 29, 2009, 04:30:17 PM
Matrix, is your icon from xkcd?

Maybe...
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2009, 08:36:59 PM »
What if the Moon was actually a proponent of a God-like figure such as the giant turtles or Jebus. Would it still be a disk? Or maybe it could be more like a plate of rocks? Like a dish? Can turtles eat rocks even? I don't know if I believe in turtles.

Or maybe it could be like Earth's poncho. You know, for rain. Only it's off and put away like if you put your poncho in the closet. I know that I usually keep my poncho in my closet. My Poncho is named Juancho.

I mean, it doesn't HAVE to be spherical, does it? When it gets all shadowy, you know, like half moons and stuff, couldn't that just be because it's wearing a poncho of it's own sometimes? You know, because of rain?

So many questions.
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The obvious flaw is that it's completely contrary to observation, and totally preposterous to even hypothesise about.
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2009, 08:40:40 PM »
I agree with you totally.  Rationality isn't all it's cracked up to be.



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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2009, 08:45:11 PM »
I know right? I mean are ponchos even spherical? I call b.s.
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The obvious flaw is that it's completely contrary to observation, and totally preposterous to even hypothesise about.
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2009, 02:11:41 PM »
Quote from: Squat on September 29, 2009, 10:00:37 PM
Quote from: minetruly on September 29, 2009, 04:30:17 PM
Yeah, I don't trust that image-- it could have been CGI'd. The only thing I'd trust is if I went out every night for a month with a telescope and observed it myself, and I'm too lazy to do anything other than read things on my computer.


You have all the qualities needed of a top flat earth believer. Well done.

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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2009, 06:56:11 PM »
Quote from: bl4ke360 on September 23, 2009, 05:03:42 PM


End of discussion.

Rotated slightly to the north and then south again. Impossible according to the FET.

Moon is spherical

/End of discussion.
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2009, 01:41:23 AM »
So if the moon is round, the earth has to be too?

I'm not sure if I follow your logic OniXera.
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2009, 01:46:38 AM »
Quote from: OniXera on October 03, 2009, 06:56:11 PM
Rotated slightly to the north and then south again. Impossible according to the FET.

Moon is spherical

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Quote from: bl4ke360 on September 23, 2009, 10:27:51 PM
No it's not, they're actual pictures of the moon complied into a GIF time-lapse image.

I see, and you took these pictures yourself?
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2009, 03:09:03 AM »
Quote from: John Davis on October 04, 2009, 01:41:23 AM
So if the moon is round, the earth has to be too?

I'm not sure if I follow your logic OniXera.

Read the title of the thread, Davis. Duh. Case for this thread closed.
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2009, 09:26:57 AM »
The point he was making was that it is irrelevant what the shape of the moon is when debating FET.

FET does not require the moon to be any shape.
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2009, 11:16:39 AM »
Indeed, my post was in response to the one directly above it.
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2009, 03:28:13 PM »
Quote from: ﮎingulaЯiτy on October 04, 2009, 09:26:57 AM
The point he was making was that it is irrelevant what the shape of the moon is when debating FET.

FET does not require the moon to be any shape.

Then why do several FE guys bang on about it being a flat disc? Is it to make themselves look even less credible?

And actually a round moon does cause a problem for FET, as if the moon was moving around the earth at the close distance you say it is, someone looking at the moon from Britain would see a different part of it to someone looking at it from Canada. Assuming the moon is directly over the atlantic at the time of observation.
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2009, 12:36:20 AM »
Quote from: Thermal Detonator on October 04, 2009, 03:28:13 PM

Then why do several FE guys bang on about it being a flat disc? Is it to make themselves look even less credible?

And actually a round moon does cause a problem for FET, as if the moon was moving around the earth at the close distance you say it is, someone looking at the moon from Britain would see a different part of it to someone looking at it from Canada. Assuming the moon is directly over the atlantic at the time of observation.

Unless the Moon is also a spotlight...
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2009, 07:01:19 AM »
Quote from: ﮎingulaЯiτy on October 04, 2009, 09:26:57 AM
The point he was making was that it is irrelevant what the shape of the moon is when debating FET.

FET does not require the moon to be any shape.

As a basic concept, if other celestial bodies are round, then why not the Earth? There is some assumption of consistency. There's another difficult concept for FE.

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Unless the Moon is also a spotlight...

Is this just some random idea? On a clear night when the moon is not full it is still possible to see the unlit portion of the moon. Why are FEer's so obsessed with spotlights!
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2009, 08:11:02 AM »
Quote from: Atom Man on October 05, 2009, 07:01:19 AM
As a basic concept, if other celestial bodies are round, then why not the Earth? There is some assumption of consistency. There's another difficult concept for FE.

You are walking right into the oldest non sequitur on the FES there - brace yourself.

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Is this just some random idea? On a clear night when the moon is not full it is still possible to see the unlit portion of the moon. Why are FEer's so obsessed with spotlights!

Just throwing some ideas around - presumably the whole spotlight is not illuminated at all times, and the non-illuminated parts reflect light from the Earth in the same way as the Moon in RET.
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2009, 11:23:07 AM »
Quote from: Atom Man on October 05, 2009, 07:01:19 AM

Is this just some random idea? On a clear night when the moon is not full it is still possible to see the unlit portion of the moon. Why are FEer's so obsessed with spotlights!

Because they are desperately clutching at straws, unwilling to admit that their FE system Moon is totally unviable, unworkable and completely in conflict with almost all observed data.
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Re: The moon is obviously a flat disk, not a rotating sphere.
« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2009, 11:38:40 AM »
Quote from: Thermal Detonator on October 05, 2009, 11:23:07 AM
Because they are desperately clutching at straws, unwilling to admit that their FE system Moon is totally unviable, unworkable and completely in conflict with almost all observed data.

If you don't like what you hear, suggest a better way of modelling the Moon in FET.
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