Downward acceleration

]Helium, like everything else in RE, is pulled down toward earth. I was using the balloon as an example of stars, which are NOT TOUCHING earth. Does the UA just effect everywhere exactly the same amount?

Quote from: Parsifal on September 21, 2009, 08:06:47 AM

The UA is a universal force which accelerates the Earth and celestial bodies upwards at approximately 9.8 m s^-2.

Also, the FAQs say the UA is a real, physical thing. Maybe read them sometime?

ALSO,  hope I get this in in time...

If the UA forces EVERYTHING upwards, right, then I'm constantly accelerating upwards at 9.8 m/s^2? Everything would be? So if I jumped, I'd be, for a second, going faster than that. Then what makes the earth catch up to me, which I would percieve as falling, does the UA stop working on me?

You got it in time, and you actually clarified my question.

 

Then what makes downward acceleration force all the air north? And I'm not saying the UA would make the atmoplane come off. If the earth shielded the atmoplane from the UA, what else is shielded from it? And if the earth DID sheild the atmoplane from the UA, it WOULDN'T be accelerating upwards, and would be forced off the FE from the FE accelerating upwards, past it. The only way having the FE shielding the atmoplane from the UA would work is with downward acceleration, hopefully pulling the atmoplane with it.

Turtles was suggesting that the Earth is accelerating downwards like a frisbee through a medium; that is to say, that space is filled with air and the Earth is moving through it. Were this the case, the Earth would create a low-pressure zone above it as it moves down, which would then need to be filled by air moving in from the sides. This is where the northward motion of air would come from in Turtles' model, which is fundamentally different from the general model. Also, the air does not get forced off the Earth because of the greater ice wall, which is much higher and much farther out than the lesser ice wall, and extends to the top of the atmolayer.

Gravity is an attraction of mass. It doesn't get much simpler than that.

I know what it does. But what causes mass to be attracted to other mass?

Okay, I just don't know about the properties of helium, so you have to consider this question as legitimate: In the FE model, is helium a lot more dense? I mean are the known properties completely off??? And again, I'm trying really hard to not sound stupid...hahaha

No, the properties of helium would be exactly the same. And again, according to the equivalence principle, it would behave exactly the same way on an accelerating Earth as one with a gravitational field.

Helium, like everything else in RE, is pulled down toward earth. I was using the balloon as an example of stars, which are NOT TOUCHING earth. Does the UA just effect everywhere exactly the same amount?

Yes, with the exception of that which is in the immediate vicinity of the surface of the Earth, which is shielded from its effects by the Earth itself.

Also, the FAQs say the UA is a real, physical thing. Maybe read them sometime?

From the FAQ:

UA: Universal Acceleration/Accelerator
-Universal acceleration, the acceleration of all objects due to Dark Energy. (general model)
-Universal accelerator, an object that sits underneath the Earth and pushes anything it touches. (James McIntyre's model)

I was referring to the general model, not to James's model.

ALSO,  hope I get this in in time...

If the UA forces EVERYTHING upwards, right, then I'm constantly accelerating upwards at 9.8 m/s^2? Everything would be? So if I jumped, I'd be, for a second, going faster than that. Then what makes the earth catch up to me, which I would percieve as falling, does the UA stop working on me?

As I said, the Earth shields you from the effects of the UA as a brick wall would from a strong wind. So when you jump, you are unaffected by it because the Earth is shielding you. The only reason you accelerate with the Earth normally is because the Earth itself is pushing you as it accelerates.

In regards to what causes mass to be attracted to mass, what drive UA and makes it work?

And what makes whatever that is work? And how does that work?

You can keep asking ANYONE how until there isn't a known answer anymore. And now there are TWO ice walls? Why even have space? Hell, the sky could be a curtain with holes poked in it, with a light behind it.

And a higher wall wouldn't stop it unless it was REALLY high. Fluid dynamics, understand those?

(Your rebuttal will involve the UA making fluid dynamics not work, and having the UA not work on earth's surface. the earth can make it not work, that implies that the force decays, and isn't in effect everywhere.)

In regards to what causes mass to be attracted to mass, what drive UA and makes it work?

And what makes whatever that is work? And how does that work?

You can keep asking ANYONE how until there isn't a known answer anymore.

You're the one who suggested that the source of gravity was understood, not me.

And now there are TWO ice walls? Why even have space? Hell, the sky could be a curtain with holes poked in it, with a light behind it.

It could be, yes. But that doesn't make a great deal of sense, given that things in the sky tend to move relative to each other.

And a higher wall wouldn't stop it unless it was REALLY high. Fluid dynamics, understand those?

Yes, I do understand fluid dynamics. See:

Also, the air does not get forced off the Earth because of the greater ice wall, which is much higher and much farther out than the lesser ice wall, and extends to the top of the atmolayer.

Quote from: SupahLovah on September 21, 2009, 08:38:44 AM

In regards to what causes mass to be attracted to mass, what drive UA and makes it work?

And what makes whatever that is work? And how does that work?

You can keep asking ANYONE how until there isn't a known answer anymore.

You're the one who suggested that the source of gravity was understood, not me.

This is what I was talking in "Dear FEers,"

Thanks for any answer what-so-ever. Oh wait, you didn't supply one.

This is what I was talking in "Dear FEers,"

Thanks for any answer what-so-ever. Oh wait, you didn't supply one.

The point I was trying to make is the one you eventually cottoned onto:

In regards to what causes mass to be attracted to mass, what drive UA and makes it work?

And what makes whatever that is work? And how does that work?

You can keep asking ANYONE how until there isn't a known answer anymore.

RET has no better an explanation for gravity than FET does for UA.

So gravity is part of the conspiracy too?

How well does the conspiracy theory hold when USA's economy is failing? I mean, USA can't afford to spend that much money when it's economically fine, unless having citzens starve to death and lose their homes is part of the conspiracy, too.

Hell, Kanye West is probably part of it.

You and I are in total agreeance, but if we don't stay on topic, then this thread is gonna get tossed and I really want to hear a few different points of view.

But thank you for understanding my idea and trying to answer my questions, Parsifal.

*edit And it pains me to say that pussitry...but I've seen it happen before...