Questioning The Holy Book

I posed this in another thread but I think it deserves a thread of its own, as it's not got answered yet:
If Rowbottom's experiments as documented in Earth Not A Globe had shown that the earth was not flat (and presumably he changed the book title to Earth A Globe or Earth Not A Plane), how many of the FE brigade here would still think the earth was flat?

I posed this in another thread but I think it deserves a thread of its own, as it's not got answered yet:
If Rowbottom's experiments as documented in Earth Not A Globe had shown that the earth was not flat (and presumably he changed the book title to Earth A Globe or Earth Not A Plane), how many of the FE brigade here would still think the earth was flat?

Certainly I would. I have never read this book, I base my beliefs off of the real holy book. However, after I read the FAQ I found an abundance of support for the flat earth.

I posed this in another thread but I think it deserves a thread of its own, as it's not got answered yet:
If Rowbottom's experiments as documented in Earth Not A Globe had shown that the earth was not flat (and presumably he changed the book title to Earth A Globe or Earth Not A Plane), how many of the FE brigade here would still think the earth was flat?

I actually don't base my opinion about the shape of the Earth on that book.  I believe the Earth is flat for philosophical reasons.

Quote from: Thermal Detonator on September 16, 2009, 03:20:45 PM

I posed this in another thread but I think it deserves a thread of its own, as it's not got answered yet:
If Rowbottom's experiments as documented in Earth Not A Globe had shown that the earth was not flat (and presumably he changed the book title to Earth A Globe or Earth Not A Plane), how many of the FE brigade here would still think the earth was flat?

I believe the Earth is flat for philosophical reasons.

No you don't, you've already admitted countless times the Earth is round. Time to stop being a troll.

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on September 16, 2009, 05:37:27 PM

Quote from: Thermal Detonator on September 16, 2009, 03:20:45 PM

I posed this in another thread but I think it deserves a thread of its own, as it's not got answered yet:
If Rowbottom's experiments as documented in Earth Not A Globe had shown that the earth was not flat (and presumably he changed the book title to Earth A Globe or Earth Not A Plane), how many of the FE brigade here would still think the earth was flat?

I believe the Earth is flat for philosophical reasons.

No you don't, you've already admitted countless times the Earth is round. Time to stop being a troll.

Your libelous accusations do not contribute to the debate and are growing increasingly tiresome. I will start reporting your posts as spam if you do not cease these unfounded attacks on the character of our brethren and sistren.

It's hard to say. Had the book not been written it's likely the FES would never have sprung up, and I would never have had my mind opened to the truth. On the other hand, maybe it would have happened anyway, or another book would have been written. These "what ifs" are really impossible to answer because there are just too many variables.

It's hard to say. Had the book not been written it's likely the FES would never have sprung up, and I would never have had my mind opened to the truth. On the other hand, maybe it would have happened anyway, or another book would have been written. These "what ifs" are really impossible to answer because there are just too many variables.

OK, what if someone suddenly discovered another book written by Rowbottom in which he said he was wrong in the previous book and changed his mind? Would you go along with him?

OK, what if someone suddenly discovered another book written by Rowbottom in which he said he was wrong in the previous book and changed his mind? Would you go along with him?

No.

Quote from: Thermal Detonator on September 17, 2009, 09:34:55 AM

OK, what if someone suddenly discovered another book written by Rowbottom in which he said he was wrong in the previous book and changed his mind? Would you go along with him?

No.

What if said book cited his error in his previous experiments and that they actually did not prove the earth was flat due to the errors?

What if said book cited his error in his previous experiments and that they actually did not prove the earth was flat due to the errors?

There are no such errors.

Quote from: loki700 on September 17, 2009, 02:08:23 PM

What if said book cited his error in his previous experiments and that they actually did not prove the earth was flat due to the errors?

There are no such errors.

But if he wrote another book saying that there were errors and he was wrong and his experiments didn't prove a flat earth at all, would you follow him or still believe in a flat earth?

Quote from: loki700 on September 17, 2009, 02:08:23 PM

What if said book cited his error in his previous experiments and that they actually did not prove the earth was flat due to the errors?

There are no such errors.

Since you were not present when the experiments were conducted you cannot state that with any certainty whatsoever. And all experiments allow for a certain tolerance of errors. To say that experiments such as this were completely error free is unscientific in the extreme.

Since you were not present when the experiments were conducted you cannot state that with any certainty whatsoever.

That's exactly why I say everyone really must perform the experiments for themselves to truly know the answer.  The unfortunate thing is that exactly the same thing can be said about NASA's evidence, and I can't build my own rocket to see the evidence for myself!  Rowbotham's experiments are much more practical.

Quote from: Thermal Detonator on September 17, 2009, 03:44:17 PM

Since you were not present when the experiments were conducted you cannot state that with any certainty whatsoever.

That's exactly why I say everyone really must perform the experiments for themselves to truly know the answer.  The unfortunate thing is that exactly the same thing can be said about NASA's evidence, and I can't build my own rocket to see the evidence for myself!  Rowbotham's experiments are much more practical.

Yes, I agree, I would encourage anyone to go out and try it themselves. Never take somebody's word for anything if you can put it to the test yourself.

But if he wrote another book saying that there were errors and he was wrong and his experiments didn't prove a flat earth at all, would you follow him or still believe in a flat earth?

Quote from: Thermal Detonator on September 17, 2009, 09:34:55 AM

OK, what if someone suddenly discovered another book written by Rowbottom in which he said he was wrong in the previous book and changed his mind? Would you go along with him?

No.

I don't just blindly follow people. I follow the truth.

Quote from: Thermal Detonator on September 16, 2009, 03:20:45 PM

I posed this in another thread but I think it deserves a thread of its own, as it's not got answered yet:
If Rowbottom's experiments as documented in Earth Not A Globe had shown that the earth was not flat (and presumably he changed the book title to Earth A Globe or Earth Not A Plane), how many of the FE brigade here would still think the earth was flat?

Certainly I would. I have never read this book, I base my beliefs off of the real holy book. However, after I read the FAQ I found an abundance of support for the flat earth.

The Koran?

Quote from: loki700 on September 17, 2009, 02:40:12 PM

But if he wrote another book saying that there were errors and he was wrong and his experiments didn't prove a flat earth at all, would you follow him or still believe in a flat earth?

Quote from: W on September 17, 2009, 10:09:58 AM

Quote from: Thermal Detonator on September 17, 2009, 09:34:55 AM

OK, what if someone suddenly discovered another book written by Rowbottom in which he said he was wrong in the previous book and changed his mind? Would you go along with him?

No.

I don't just blindly follow people. I follow the truth.

I notice you still quote from Earth Not a Globe, though...

Quote from: loki700 on September 17, 2009, 02:40:12 PM

But if he wrote another book saying that there were errors and he was wrong and his experiments didn't prove a flat earth at all, would you follow him or still believe in a flat earth?

Quote from: W on September 17, 2009, 10:09:58 AM

Quote from: Thermal Detonator on September 17, 2009, 09:34:55 AM

OK, what if someone suddenly discovered another book written by Rowbottom in which he said he was wrong in the previous book and changed his mind? Would you go along with him?

No.

I don't just blindly follow people. I follow the truth.

But what if he said: "look at these mistakes I made; look at how everyone who did it besides me and my colleagues got a different answer. I must be wrong."

If he had a scientific reason for why every one of his experiments were wrong, would you believe him then? Or are you to stubborn?

If the earth were a sphere with all of the evidence pointing to this conclusion I would believe it were a sphere. But this is not the case.

If the earth were a sphere with all of the evidence pointing to this conclusion I would believe it were a sphere. But this is not the case.

OK. here's some evidence pointing to the earth being a sphere:
Ships lowering over the horizon.
Rotation of the night sky around points at the north and south poles.
Pictures from craft in space showing earth as a ball like object.
The sun and moon sinking gradually over the horizon when setting/rising.
Lunar and solar eclipses, and observed effects therein.

Now here's the key thing: every single one of these effects is described by one explanation in the round earth model. But in the flat model, every single one of them requires a completely different backup theory to make them work. And in every single case, the backup theories (which are bendy light, celestial gears, conspiracy fakery, refractive atmospheric effects and unidentified invisible celestial objects respectively) have absolutely no solid data to back them up.

Also the north star's latitude can be measured with a sextant, if you measure it at the equator you will get an angle of 0 and if you measure it at the north pole you will get an angle of 90*, this is only possible with a sphere.

Also the north star's latitude can be measured with a sextant, if you measure it at the equator you will get an angle of 0 and if you measure it at the north pole you will get an angle of 90*, this is only possible with a sphere.

Yes, what is the flat earth explanation for this?

Quote from: loki700 on September 17, 2009, 09:00:43 PM

Also the north star's latitude can be measured with a sextant, if you measure it at the equator you will get an angle of 0 and if you measure it at the north pole you will get an angle of 90*, this is only possible with a sphere.

Yes, what is the flat earth explanation for this?

No one has answered that, and also only W commented on my thread showing a sphere can appear flat with a horizon.

Also the north star's latitude can be measured with a sextant, if you measure it at the equator you will get an angle of 0 and if you measure it at the north pole you will get an angle of 90*, this is only possible with a sphere.

Completely false.

Quote from: loki700 on September 17, 2009, 09:00:43 PM

Also the north star's latitude can be measured with a sextant, if you measure it at the equator you will get an angle of 0 and if you measure it at the north pole you will get an angle of 90*, this is only possible with a sphere.

Completely false.

Come on then, Idi Iphone, waiting for your "explanation"...

Quote from: loki700 on September 17, 2009, 09:00:43 PM

Also the north star's latitude can be measured with a sextant, if you measure it at the equator you will get an angle of 0 and if you measure it at the north pole you will get an angle of 90*, this is only possible with a sphere.

Completely false.

You converted me.

Quote from: Johannes Kepler on September 19, 2009, 10:12:35 AM

Quote from: loki700 on September 17, 2009, 09:00:43 PM

Also the north star's latitude can be measured with a sextant, if you measure it at the equator you will get an angle of 0 and if you measure it at the north pole you will get an angle of 90*, this is only possible with a sphere.

Completely false.

You converted me.

Same, the earth must be flat.

Do you have any reason to believe this is wrong? If so, what is it?

Yes, Kepler, we're waiting... 

Totally false. I mean, every little kid who's ever measured their zenith compared to the north star and gotten something different are all part of the conspiracy, right?