My experience on a plane.....

Ok, please work this out for me.  I'm looking to get my head around the FE logic, but I'm stuck over this one:

Last year I got on a plane in Tokyo.  (Right side of the map).  I flew to Singapore and then to London, which took about 22 hours in 2 flights.
I WAS HEADING LEFT ACROSS THE MAP.
After a week in London I continued to New York, (LEFT AGAIN), 9 hour flight.  5 hours more and I landed in Seattle, LEFT AGAIN.
After a week I boarded a plane in Seattle and flew back to Tokyo, which took 9 HOURS.  (LEFT AGAIN).

TOKYO - LONDON 22 hrs WEST
LONDON - NEW YORK 9 hrs WEST
NEW YORK - SEATTLE 5 hrs LEFT
TOTAL 36 hours going WEST

AFTER GOING WEST FOR 36 HOURS IN THE AIR, HOW DID I GET BACK TO MY STARTING POINT IN THE FAR EAST IN 9 HOURS?

How did I end up in Tokyo only 9 hours after Seattle?
My ticket did say AROUND the world, but let's assume for the time being this is NOT what happened.

Would you like me to scan my ticket receipts and post them?  I'm 100% serious!!  How did I get back to Tokyo in 9 hours?

I would appreciate a genuine answer from a FE'er.

the correct term is east, not left

Actually deadlock, east and west are not safe to use in these kid of forums.  As the FE compas has magnetic north as the middle of the world, circumnavigation is made posible through that manner.  This makes east reletive to where you are, althought on an atlas east is always "right" not "left" last time i checked

Actually deadlock, east and west are not safe to use in these kid of forums.  As the FE compas has magnetic north as the middle of the world, circumnavigation is made posible through that manner.  This makes east reletive to where you are, althought on an atlas east is always "right" not "left" last time i checked

The compass in my hand on my plane was telling me that I was going constantly West, now for this to occour on a FE the polane would need to be constantly changing direction in order to remain heading west.. why could I not feel the plane turn at all?

The compass in my hand on my plane was telling me that I was going constantly West, now for this to occour on a FE the polane would need to be constantly changing direction in order to remain heading west.. why could I not feel the plane turn at all?

Constantly, but very slowly, changing.  Just like REers use the explanation "The Earth looks flat when you're standing on it because the curvature is so small," FEers get to use the explanation: "Circumnavigatory trajectoriesa feel straight when you're on them because the curvature is so small."

The compass in my hand on my plane was telling me that I was going constantly West, now for this to occour on a FE the polane would need to be constantly changing direction in order to remain heading west.. why could I not feel the plane turn at all?

It happens to pilots all the time.  It's called spatial disorientation.  A slight bank in the aircraft will barely register on the fluid in the middle ear.  As the aircraft continues the turn, the fluid settles back down, making the pilot believe the aircraft has ended it's banking manuver.

You're forgetting something though. A plane heads unnoticeably (at least to the naked eye) downwards as it banks. Using this logic, if a plane is continually banking to "circle" the "center of the earth", then it would end up at a considerably lower altitude than when it began, which we know is not true. Also, a flight between Seattle and Tokyo would take much shorter than a flight from the western most part of Africa to the eastern most part of South America (these flights are about the same distance) using the FE map, in which everything expands from the center, making everything farther apart the further you get from the center. However, the two flights take about the same amount of time. Explain that one, FE fucktards.

You're forgetting something though. A plane heads unnoticeably (at least to the naked eye) downwards as it banks. Using this logic, if a plane is continually banking to "circle" the "center of the earth", then it would end up at a considerably lower altitude than when it began, which we know is not true. Also, a flight between Seattle and Tokyo would take much shorter than a flight from the western most part of Africa to the eastern most part of South America (these flights are about the same distance) using the FE map, in which everything expands from the center, making everything farther apart the further you get from the center. However, the two flights take about the same amount of time. Explain that one, FE fucktards.

How do you know how fast you're going in an aeroplane? Usually there's just a speedometer on the TV-screens-in-the-backs-of-seats. How easy would it be to fake the actual speed of the plane?

Excuse me calling conspiracy on this one - I know you hate it - but this is my real, honest explanation here.

How do you know how fast you're going in an aeroplane? Usually there's just a speedometer on the TV-screens-in-the-backs-of-seats. How easy would it be to fake the actual speed of the plane?

Excuse me calling conspiracy on this one - I know you hate it - but this is my real, honest explanation here.

Holy Jesus!  Are you seriously suggesting that all air operators are faking the speed?  Are the pilots "in on it"?  This is just insane.  

Holy Jesus!  Are you seriously suggesting that all air operators are faking the speed?  Are the pilots "in on it"?  This is just insane.  

Not at all - the autopilot could easily lie to the pilots themselves as well. Almost all airline pilots are only in control of the plane at takeoff and landing.

What would the airline manufacturers (or more precisely, the computer software engineers) have to gain from "faking" aircraft speed?  Are these engineers also part of the conspiracy?

What would the airline manufacturers (or more precisely, the computer software engineers) have to gain from "faking" aircraft speed?  Are these engineers also part of the conspiracy?

Boeing, British Airways, etc., mostly have massive subsidies to gain from the government (this is conspiracy-free, hard-grounded fact. You can probably get the figures from the website or annual general report of each company). Millions of dollars worth of subsidization (enough to stop your industry crashing and burning (no pun intended)) is a good enough reason to fiddle a few numbers on some computer screen. It's possible the airlines don't even know or care why - all they know is that they government will pay them to change the numbers and keep quiet about it.

No. You see, the people that make that computer software would be fearing for the lives of the people in the planes those computers get sent to. A few miscrunched numbers, and the entire guidance system can be literally thousands of miles off. There's no way the programmers would just silently accept the government's wants. That being said, I want to take this time to apologize for my earlier actions. Most of what I said probably belonged in the anger forums thing, it's just I find the notion of a flat earth so utterly ridiculous, that I cannot comprehend someone believing in it, and I acted thus per my reactions. It was something I shouldn't have done. Anyone that was insulted by any of my posts, I apologize, but the evidence I brought up in them still remains valid.

No. You see, the people that make that computer software would be fearing for the lives of the people in the planes those computers get sent to. A few miscrunched numbers, and the entire guidance system can be literally thousands of miles off. There's no way the programmers would just silently accept the government's wants. That being said, I want to take this time to apologize for my earlier actions. Most of what I said probably belonged in the anger forums thing, it's just I find the notion of a flat earth so utterly ridiculous, that I cannot comprehend someone believing in it, and I acted thus per my reactions. It was something I shouldn't have done. Anyone that was insulted by any of my posts, I apologize, but the evidence I brought up in them still remains valid.

Apology accepted.

In response to the rest of your post: The GUI displayed in the back-of-seat-TV-screens blatantly isn't directly connected to the actual software which guides the plane. Even if the Earth was round and there was no conspiracy, I'd tell you that the speedometer readings were taken from the exterior of the plane using factors like air resistance and the emission of fuel.

Both of which are completely reliable factors, unless you're going to say that the government has also been telling scientists to tell us half-truths and whole lies about science for thousands of years.

Both of which are completely reliable factors, unless you're going to say that the government has also been telling scientists to tell us half-truths and whole lies about science for thousands of years.

No no, what I'm saying is that we can both agree that those speedometers aren't hooked up to the autopilot software directly, so there's no danger of diddling the numbers because it won't affect the actual running of the plane.

Even if the Earth was round and there was no conspiracy, I'd tell you that the speedometer readings were taken from the exterior of the plane using factors like air resistance and the emission of fuel.

So then the speed readings would be accurate, surely?  Also, these readings would still need to be calculated through the onboard computer and sent to the monitors.

Just read your above post.

So how can you say that one component of the computer system, like autopilot, is using genuine calculations, but the computer that generates airspeed calculations are faked or purposefully mis-calculated?

Just read your above post.

So how can you say that one component of the computer system, like autopilot, is using genuine calculations, but the computer that generates airspeed calculations are faked or purposefully mis-calculated?

The internal calculations performed by the autopilot software are necessarily accurate in order for the plane to fly properly. The "calculations" "performed" by the speedometer equipment don't have to bear any relation to reality. The plane can be travelling at thousands of miles per hour to get quickly across a highly southern trajectory (like Australia to South America) and still the "speedometer" on the back of the seat can tell you you're flying at 500 miles per hour.

Either way, navigational equpiment such as magnetic compasses would be obsolete. The way magnetism works, is there is a magnetic pole running from the North Pole to the South Pole. For this to fit the FE theory, the entire disc of earth would be a magnet, since the entire outside edge of it would be the South Pole, and compasses would not work. Point and case, this should put a dent in your theory and guess what, you can't claim conspiracy on this one, because this is something outside of the government's control.

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Just read your above post.

So how can you say that one component of the computer system, like autopilot, is using genuine calculations, but the computer that generates airspeed calculations are faked or purposefully mis-calculated?

The internal calculations performed by the autopilot software are necessarily accurate in order for the plane to fly properly. The "calculations" "performed" by the speedometer equipment don't have to bear any relation to reality. The plane can be travelling at thousands of miles per hour to get quickly across a highly southern trajectory (like Australia to South America) and still the "speedometer" on the back of the seat can tell you you're flying at 500 miles per hour.

This is quite a complex computer system you are talking about here.  It has to adjust the actual aircraft speed depending on where on the disc it's flying.  I wouldn't want to have to develop that kind of software.  It sounds like the government has everything covered in FE theory.

Either way, navigational equpiment such as magnetic compasses would be obsolete. The way magnetism works, is there is a magnetic pole running from the North Pole to the South Pole. For this to fit the FE theory, the entire disc of earth would be a magnet, since the entire outside edge of it would be the South Pole, and compasses would not work. Point and case, this should put a dent in your theory and guess what, you can't claim conspiracy on this one, because this is something outside of the government's control.

You're right. But why wouldn't compasses work on a Flat Earth? The North Pole still emits a magnetic field, and the South pole exists, it's just an enormous ring around the outside of the Earth.

Dogplatter that notion of auto-pilot is insane!

first of all, if youre going "thousands of miles per hour" you would pass the sound barrier, and according to all accounts, the plane shakes like a thing possessed when it passes the sound barrier. A passenger plane's engines do not generate NEARLY the amount of thrust needed for the entire weight to get past the sound barrier.  I know this from my friends father being a pilot, and he knows what he flys.

Having the airspeed not being accurate would be INCREDIBLY dangerous.  Any small glitch in the autopilot and the pilots are supposed to take control, and not knowing how fast youre going would be very, very bad

You're forgetting something though. A plane heads unnoticeably (at least to the naked eye) downwards as it banks. Using this logic, if a plane is continually banking to "circle" the "center of the earth", then it would end up at a considerably lower altitude than when it began, which we know is not true.

Wow, this totally sounds like a problem that pilots/avionics would have absolutely no idea how to overcome.  Now that you mention it, it's a miracle airplanes are able to stay in the air at all: last time I was in an airplane I'm pretty sure it made 180° turns -- one during takeoff, and another during landing.  That's a total of 360° worth of turning, which is the same that it takes to go all the way around the (flat) world, so obviously the plane I was in ought to have crashed.

Wierd.

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You're forgetting something though. A plane heads unnoticeably (at least to the naked eye) downwards as it banks. Using this logic, if a plane is continually banking to "circle" the "center of the earth", then it would end up at a considerably lower altitude than when it began, which we know is not true.

Wow, this totally sounds like a problem that pilots/avionics would have absolutely no idea how to overcome.  Now that you mention it, it's a miracle airplanes are able to stay in the air at all: last time I was in an airplane I'm pretty sure it made 180° turns -- one during takeoff, and another during landing.  That's a total of 360° worth of turning, which is the same that it takes to go all the way around the (flat) world, so obviously the plane I was in ought to have crashed.

Wierd.

Damn, I was thinking the same thing.  It's amazing that I have not crashed (being a pilot and all),  since I have made upwards of 720 degree turns and never came close to the ground.  I guess I was just lucky physics forgot about me at the time.

I meant in no way that the plane dips in a drastic measure, in fact it is very slight, but the dipping factor is still there. For the flat-earth theory to be correct, the plane would to be in a constant turn, and therefore be at a lower altitude than it originally started at (I'm refferring to the leg of the journey where it's supposed to remain a constant altitude). I'm sure our pilot here can tell you that doesn't happen (at least not on a straight trajectory) and therefore, your theory about planes circulating the North Pole are incorrect.

And Dogplatter, why wouldn't compasses work on a flat earth? Didn't I just tell you in my post above. If the South Pole is the entire outer rim of the disc planet, then there would have to be an infinite number of magnetic axises stretching from the North Pole to the South Pole for this fact to remain true. That means that all 360 degrees of the circle would be taken up by magnetic pulls, and when the entire planet is a magnet (instead of just one line running from the North to the South Pole straight through the center of the earth) then a compass could not point to any kind of North.

And Dogplatter, why wouldn't compasses work on a flat earth? Didn't I just tell you in my post above. If the South Pole is the entire outer rim of the disc planet, then there would have to be an infinite number of magnetic axises stretching from the North Pole to the South Pole for this fact to remain true. That means that all 360 degrees of the circle would be taken up by magnetic pulls, and when the entire planet is a magnet (instead of just one line running from the North to the South Pole straight through the center of the earth) then a compass could not point to any kind of North.

I don't understand what you are saying.  The RE has an infinite number of mag. field lines running south to north.  The FE would have the same set-up, but with them eminating from the rim and going into the center.  Compasses line up with the field lines outside the core not the ones inside it.  Also, in the RE, there is not just one line running through the earth, there are an infinite number.

And Dogplatter, why wouldn't compasses work on a flat earth? Didn't I just tell you in my post above. If the South Pole is the entire outer rim of the disc planet, then there would have to be an infinite number of magnetic axises stretching from the North Pole to the South Pole for this fact to remain true. That means that all 360 degrees of the circle would be taken up by magnetic pulls, and when the entire planet is a magnet (instead of just one line running from the North to the South Pole straight through the center of the earth) then a compass could not point to any kind of North.

If a compass is pointing South, then it is invariably pointing North.

I meant in no way that the plane dips in a drastic measure, in fact it is very slight, but the dipping factor is still there. For the flat-earth theory to be correct, the plane would to be in a constant turn, and therefore be at a lower altitude than it originally started at (I'm refferring to the leg of the journey where it's supposed to remain a constant altitude). I'm sure our pilot here can tell you that doesn't happen (at least not on a straight trajectory) and therefore, your theory about planes circulating the North Pole are incorrect.

One of the maneuvers required for  a pilot's licence is to hold a 45 degree bank and make a complete 360 degree turn without deviating from altitude.  As people have pilots licences, this is obviously possible.

OK,

I appreciate the discussion that has evolved, but I'm not yet satisfied by any concrete answer.  Let's try to stay on topic:

The only answer I have gotten out of this is that I have been tricked by a change in speed and subtle turn around by the plane.

In other words, I get on the last leg in Seattle and the plane secretly turns 180, than flies without refuling at what must be faster than sound back to Japan, all across the map, EAST.

Also, keep in mind that I'm the only guy on the last leg who actually came from all the way in Japan.  The rest got on in Chicago and Seattle.  

Is this flight maneuver setup to specifically trick me, and, how does the 'tricking' schedule account for the coverups necessary in the 300+ other people on the plane, all with their respective travel schedules?


This is a simple everyday trip.  We need more than an FE theory to explain it.  Please, respond with some facts!