Do unto others

Luke 6:31
31And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

John 7:53-8:11 in the King James Version:

7:53 And every man went unto his own house. 8:1 Jesus went unto the Mount of Olives. 2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them. 3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, 4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? 6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. 9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Well I'm guessing the majority of Christians don't follow the teachings of Christ, but instead prefer to follow the rules of their various church teachings and what their preachers tell them etc etc.
It seems to me that a true Christian would follow the teachings of the Sermon on the Mount and ignore all other religious teachings as the Sermon on the Mount was Christ's interpretation of the Law and obviously to be a Christian would be to follow Christ, not to follow Biblical Law.

Well I'm guessing the majority of Christians don't follow the teachings of Christ, but instead prefer to follow the rules of their various church teachings and what their preachers tell them etc etc.
It seems to me that a true Christian would follow the teachings of the Sermon on the Mount and ignore all other religious teachings as the Sermon on the Mount was Christ's interpretation of the Law and obviously to be a Christian would be to follow Christ, not to follow Biblical Law.

Quote from: Colonel Gaydafi on September 14, 2009, 08:06:13 AM

Well I'm guessing the majority of Christians don't follow the teachings of Christ, but instead prefer to follow the rules of their various church teachings and what their preachers tell them etc etc.
It seems to me that a true Christian would follow the teachings of the Sermon on the Mount and ignore all other religious teachings as the Sermon on the Mount was Christ's interpretation of the Law and obviously to be a Christian would be to follow Christ, not to follow Biblical Law.

This is what irritates me about the Bible.  It seems at times that the teachings of Paul often directly contradict the teachings of Jesus.  If Christianity had stuck with Jesus' words Christians would be better people.  But for some reason, in most denominations, Paul's interpretation seems to be given a lot of weight.  Half of the New Testament was (supposedly) written by him.  It's been a while since I've read the Bible, and I probably never will again, unless I make a decision to reevaluate my opinion about this, but my impression was that Paul often twisted Jesus' words, and that his books are considered canon only for the rhetorical power they possessed to benefit the early Church's agenda.  Sometimes I wonder if hardcore Christians even ever bother to read the damn thing.

Actually, I have met Christians who do unto others and follow the teachings of the bible. There are varying degrees; some live their whole lives by it and are always making an effort to help one person or another, while others just try to be a nice person in general by avoiding doing mean things. Some do neither and just call themselves Christian.

Take note, however, that I am not claiming all Christians behave in such a manner.  I know quite a few Christians who are kind and open to others regardless of their beliefs and opinions.

Also, Pongo is an angry young man.

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This is what irritates me about the Bible.  It seems at times that the teachings of Paul often directly contradict the teachings of Jesus.  If Christianity had stuck with Jesus' words Christians would be better people.  But for some reason, in most denominations, Paul's interpretation seems to be given a lot of weight.  Half of the New Testament was (supposedly) written by him.  It's been a while since I've read the Bible, and I probably never will again, unless I make a decision to reevaluate my opinion about this, but my impression was that Paul often twisted Jesus' words, and that his books are considered canon only for the rhetorical power they possessed to benefit the early Church's agenda.  Sometimes I wonder if hardcore Christians even ever bother to read the damn thing.

Christian's don't even know what the sermon on the mount is.  Eat, drink, and be merry!  It's the path to hell!!!  Also, if America were truly a christian nation, why is the penal system based on punishment rather than forgiveness and rehabilitation as taught in the sermon on the mount?  Oh, that's right, I keep forgetting, that's how Christians roll.  Say you follow the teachings of Christ but in actuality follow the eye for an eye teachings of Exodus.  When Christian's try to play the victim and ask why people attack them, it's for hypocritical things like this.  When you say one thing, do another, and then still have the gall to chastise others all the while having your fragile feelings hurt when someone questions you.  It's enough to make me post a rant on a message board.

History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.

-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.

It was the belief of all sects at one time that the establishment of Religion by law, was right & necessary; that the true religion ought to be established in exclusion of every other; and that the only question to be decided was which was the true religion. The example of Holland proved that a toleration of sects, dissenting from the established sect, was safe & even useful. The example of the Colonies, now States, which rejected religious establishments altogether, proved that all Sects might be safely & advantageously put on a footing of equal & entire freedom.... We are teaching the world the great truth that Govts do better without Kings & Nobles than with them. The merit will be doubled by the other lesson that Religion flourishes in greater purity, without than with the aid of Gov. [James Madison, Letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822, The Writings of James Madison, Gaillard Hunt]

Quote from: W on September 14, 2009, 02:30:23 PM

Actually, I have met Christians who do unto others and follow the teachings of the bible. There are varying degrees; some live their whole lives by it and are always making an effort to help one person or another, while others just try to be a nice person in general by avoiding doing mean things. Some do neither and just call themselves Christian.

Quote from: QuietResonance on September 14, 2009, 07:57:23 AM

Take note, however, that I am not claiming all Christians behave in such a manner.  I know quite a few Christians who are kind and open to others regardless of their beliefs and opinions.

Quote from: QuietResonance on September 15, 2009, 05:45:13 AM

Quote from: W on September 14, 2009, 02:30:23 PM

Actually, I have met Christians who do unto others and follow the teachings of the bible. There are varying degrees; some live their whole lives by it and are always making an effort to help one person or another, while others just try to be a nice person in general by avoiding doing mean things. Some do neither and just call themselves Christian.

Quote from: QuietResonance on September 14, 2009, 07:57:23 AM

Take note, however, that I am not claiming all Christians behave in such a manner.  I know quite a few Christians who are kind and open to others regardless of their beliefs and opinions.

I wasn't saying that you had said otherwise; sorry if it came across that way. I was just sharing my experiences.

It's quite alright.  Misunderstandings are bound to occur on the internet. 

I am quite fascinated by the duality of Christians who claim to be enlightened by their belief in the one true god who is gracious and forgiving.  Take Christianrocker90 for example.  He continually states that he is against the prejudices of others and yet his posts imply that he himself is quite prejudice against those who are not like him.  Take note, however, that I am not claiming all Christians behave in such a manner.  I know quite a few Christians who are kind and open to others regardless of their beliefs and opinions.

I will begin with this:

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Luke 6:31
31And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

Would it not seem that if you intend to be accepted in society without the judgement of others that you would grant them the same kindness?  If not, then why do you claim to live by the words of the Bible?

There is also this:

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John 7:53-8:11 in the King James Version:

7:53 And every man went unto his own house. 8:1 Jesus went unto the Mount of Olives. 2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them. 3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, 4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? 6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. 9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

If you are a follower of Jesus Christ, then wouldn't you strive to be as he is?

Overall, I'm trying to understand the breakdown between the words of the Bible and those who do not actually follow them while claiming to live by them.

Here's a simple, serious hint for you: Use a different version of the bible, like the New Living Translation (NLT). Easier to understand.

Second, don't ever use me as the standard for Christians as I am no where near the best Christian, I have troubles in my life right now and have backslid in my faith. So I'm not to be used as a standard. At least for now anyway...

Here's a simple, serious hint for you: Use a different version of the bible, like the New Living Translation (NLT). Easier to understand.

Second, don't ever use me as the standard for Christians as I am no where near the best Christian, I have troubles in my life right now and have backslid in my faith. So I'm not to be used as a standard. At least for now anyway...

Quote from: Christianrocker90 on September 15, 2009, 12:47:37 PM

Here's a simple, serious hint for you: Use a different version of the bible, like the New Living Translation (NLT). Easier to understand.

Second, don't ever use me as the standard for Christians as I am no where near the best Christian, I have troubles in my life right now and have backslid in my faith. So I'm not to be used as a standard. At least for now anyway...

Aw, ChristianRocker. What's got you down?

Sickness?

Quote from: Round_Earth(No, flat) on September 15, 2009, 01:01:49 PM

Sickness?

A combination of physical and mental ones...

He's gay.

Quote from: Round_Earth(No, flat) on September 15, 2009, 01:01:49 PM

Sickness?

A combination of physical and mental ones...

Quote from: Marcus Aurelius on September 15, 2009, 01:04:55 PM

He's gay.

I was unaware that being gay was a sickness.

Quote from: QuietResonance on September 15, 2009, 01:08:14 PM

Quote from: Marcus Aurelius on September 15, 2009, 01:04:55 PM

He's gay.

I was unaware that being gay was a sickness.

Only to certain Christians.

Quote from: Marcus Aurelius on September 15, 2009, 01:11:19 PM

Quote from: QuietResonance on September 15, 2009, 01:08:14 PM

Quote from: Marcus Aurelius on September 15, 2009, 01:04:55 PM

He's gay.

I was unaware that being gay was a sickness.

Only to certain Christians.

Shut up. You have no respect...no compassion either...

Why go to science if you're just gonna spit on it?

Shut up. You have no respect...no compassion either...

Shut up. You have no respect...no compassion either...

Quote from: Christianrocker90 on September 15, 2009, 01:14:42 PM

Quote from: Marcus Aurelius on September 15, 2009, 01:11:19 PM

Quote from: QuietResonance on September 15, 2009, 01:08:14 PM

Quote from: Marcus Aurelius on September 15, 2009, 01:04:55 PM

He's gay.

I was unaware that being gay was a sickness.

Only to certain Christians.

Shut up. You have no respect...no compassion either...

Quote from: Christianrocker90 on September 14, 2009, 01:35:35 PM

Why go to science if you're just gonna spit on it?

Although I do feel bad, you also need to work on being less rude.