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bullhorn

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Since the Earth appears flat the burden of proof lies with
« on: July 10, 2006, 07:35:50 PM »
To the average man, the earth appears flat, therefour it is the duty of the round earth believers to explain why the Earth is round.
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The American Nightmare

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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2006, 07:49:26 PM »
I believe the round earth has already been throroughly proven.

The flat earth has already been thoroughly disproven.
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Mephistopheles

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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2006, 08:00:24 PM »
*cringes*


Good luck, buddy.
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CrimsonKing

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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2006, 08:12:13 PM »
Well I could post a picture, that would be proof enough, except for the idea that there could be something invalidating the picture
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Dionysios

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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2006, 08:40:15 PM »
It sure is good to see bullhorn back at the forum, and he is right about where the burden of proof lies.

- Dionysios
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RenaissanceMan

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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2006, 09:27:04 PM »
Whatever. Diseases appeared to be caused by demons, too.

The Dark Ages are over. Deal with it.
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EnCrypto

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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2006, 09:34:53 PM »
Okay.

Two words: Lunar Eclipse.

A few more words: 45 degrees north and south of the equator.

There. Proven. Now who wants to have some tea and crumpets?

Also, the theory of gravity explains why Earth appears to be flat.

Last time I checked "Optical Illusion" isn't an official theory for anything. Not a specific enough one, anyway.
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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2006, 10:01:02 PM »
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To the average man, the earth appears flat


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I think i am relatively average and i definitely dont think the world is flat.
It appears that way....but it also appears to be raining cats and dogs....
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quixotic

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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2006, 01:45:51 AM »
And it would appear he has a belly button 8-)
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qwe

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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2006, 02:37:07 AM »
Quote from: "EnCrypto"
Also, the theory of gravity explains why Earth appears to be flat.

um.. what?
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Xargo

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« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2006, 03:42:49 AM »
Quote from: "The American Nightmare"
I believe the round earth has already been throroughly proven.

The flat earth has already been thoroughly disproven.
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EnCrypto

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« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2006, 10:27:18 AM »
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Also, the theory of gravity explains why Earth appears to be flat.

um.. what?

Well, actually our limited view of the world directly around us explains why Earth appears to be flat, but as we travel across the Earth, gravity is why it continues to appear flat, why we don't feel like we're travelling sideways or upside-down.
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James

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« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2006, 10:38:22 AM »
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Whatever. Diseases appeared to be caused by demons, too.


They don't, though. The Earth, from direct, impartial observation, actually appears to be a flat surface.
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EnCrypto

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« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2006, 10:43:09 AM »
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Whatever. Diseases appeared to be caused by demons, too.


They don't, though. The Earth, from direct, impartial observation, actually appears to be a flat surface.

That's just an optical illusion. The Earth is round.
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General Dallows

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« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2006, 12:34:25 PM »
Exactly. The earth only appears flat because we are extremely small in comparison with it. I believe this was explained before using an ant and a beachball.
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darkghost

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« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2006, 01:22:53 PM »
Without trying to argue sensibly, I'll look at it from another perspective.  Timezone designation seems to indicate a round earth.  Wherever you go, 0:00 always seems to be dark (except in the extreme poles depending on the season), but you turn on the TV and watch events unfold live across the world and it is daytime there.  Or you could hop on a plane and watch it get earlier and earlier (or later and later depending on which direction you fly).  There are some questions I have in my mind.  In the case of a flat earth, how does the sun always keep exactly half the world in shadow and simultaniously fly overhead?
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jitterbug

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« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2006, 01:37:58 PM »
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Whatever. Diseases appeared to be caused by demons, too.


They don't, though. The Earth, from direct, impartial observation, actually appears to be a flat surface.

Well, direct, "impartial" observation led to the beliefs that demons and spirits (or the wrath of God) caused illness and disease. There is no cause of illness visible to the naked eye. We can't see germs or viruses floating down the street, so it would have been natrual to assume that the cause of them was something spiritual because that was the only non-visible thing that was believed to exist. Once we got the equipment to see that there were other deeper causes than those explained by mythology, we saw that diseases weren't arbitrary things given to bad people from a vengeful God, but simple biological occurences.
To say that the earth is flat and that any proof that suggests otherwise is as logically fellacious as saying that there is a huge medical conspiracy to convince of us the existence of germs, viruses and bacterium.
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Dionysios

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« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2006, 01:52:35 PM »
Spirtual causes aside, germs do not cause illness.  Germs fight disease rather than cause it.

- Dionysios
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jitterbug

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« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2006, 01:56:36 PM »
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Spirtual causes aside, germs do not cause illness.  Germs fight disease rather than cause it.

- Dionysios

Nice dive into semantics, there. Thanks for addressing the crux of my post. :roll:
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The American Nightmare

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« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2006, 03:03:05 PM »
Let's at least get a casual scientific understanding at work here.

Casual observation is an important part of the scientific process. Lots of theories started with someone observing some natural phenomena in their surroundings and attempting to develop an explanation that explains why it happens.

In a nutshell, the scientific process goes thusly:

1. Observe something.
2. State hypothesis as an explanation.
3. Test the hypothesis.
4. Examine results.
5. If the hypothesis holds up to scrutiny, state theory.

My point here is that the observation goes at the beginning, not the end. Don't just look at something and then stop.

The most important part in regards to this forum is step 5. This is where the flat earth "theory" fails in many ways, and is therefore not a theory at all.
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Mephistopheles

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« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2006, 04:41:12 PM »
Quote from: "The American Nightmare"
Let's at least get a casual scientific understanding at work here.

Casual observation is an important part of the scientific process. Lots of theories started with someone observing some natural phenomena in their surroundings and attempting to develop an explanation that explains why it happens.

In a nutshell, the scientific process goes thusly:

1. Observe something.
2. State hypothesis as an explanation.
3. Test the hypothesis.
4. Examine results.
5. If the hypothesis holds up to scrutiny, state theory.

My point here is that the observation goes at the beginning, not the end. Don't just look at something and then stop.

The most important part in regards to this forum is step 5. This is where the flat earth "theory" fails in many ways, and is therefore not a theory at all.


I'm afraid posting the scientific process and then saying the Flat Earth Theory is not a theory because it fails for an unstated reason at the point of stating the theory if the hypothesis holds up to scrutiny won't cut it.

Please state your reasons why it fails rather than simply saying it does.
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The American Nightmare

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« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2006, 06:04:08 PM »
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Please state your reasons why it fails rather than simply saying it does.

I haven't had a single FlatEarther challenge my conclusion in the topic, My Pen Pal In Ecuador.

Perhaps you could provide us with an explanation?
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Mephistopheles

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« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2006, 06:55:43 PM »
I have never claimed to belong to either belief.
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The American Nightmare

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« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2006, 07:17:03 PM »
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I have never claimed to belong to either belief.
And that's entirely not my point.

My point is that the situation involving my Ecuadorian friend clearly disproves the Flat Earth hypothesis.

Would you therefore concede that it is correct to state the Flat Earth explanation does not hold up to scientific scrutiny?
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Mephistopheles

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« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2006, 07:21:10 PM »
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I have never claimed to belong to either belief.
And that's entirely not my point.

My point is that the situation involving my Ecuadorian friend clearly disproves the Flat Earth hypothesis.

Would you therefore concede that it is correct to state the Flat Earth explanation does not hold up to scientific scrutiny?


No, I would not agree (not concede, I never made the definitive argument for either side) with that.  I merely asked you why the Flat Earth Theory disrupts the scientific process and, for some other unknown but also related reason, prevents the Flat Earth from being held up to scientific scrutiny.
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EnCrypto

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« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2006, 07:36:36 PM »
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No, I would not agree (not concede, I never made the definitive argument for either side) with that.  I merely asked you why the Flat Earth Theory disrupts the scientific process and, for some other unknown but also related reason, prevents the Flat Earth from being held up to scientific scrutiny.

How does one go about testing the hypothesis of Dark Energy? Or the hypothesis of perpetual acceleration? Or the hypothesis that the setting of the sun is an optical illusion? It's not a valid theory until it has passed the test.
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The American Nightmare

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« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2006, 08:13:42 PM »
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I merely asked you why the Flat Earth Theory disrupts the scientific process and, for some other unknown but also related reason, prevents the Flat Earth from being held up to scientific scrutiny.
This is clearly explained in the >>> LINK <<< I provided earlier. Therein lies your answer.
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jitterbug

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« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2006, 08:18:31 PM »
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Exactly. The earth only appears flat because we are extremely small in comparison with it. I believe this was explained before using an ant and a beachball.

But was it inflated? That's the important question!
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Mephistopheles

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« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2006, 09:41:11 PM »
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I merely asked you why the Flat Earth Theory disrupts the scientific process and, for some other unknown but also related reason, prevents the Flat Earth from being held up to scientific scrutiny.
This is clearly explained in the >>> LINK <<< I provided earlier. Therein lies your answer.


That is a claim against FE; that does not explain your claim that FE does not hold up to scientific scrutiny since it disrupts the scientific method.

Now, if you would simply state the reasons FE disrupts the scientific method (and, according to you, making it not hold up to scientific scrutiny) we can get on with the thread.
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EnCrypto

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« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2006, 10:02:38 PM »
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Now, if you would simply state the reasons FE disrupts the scientific method (and, according to you, making it not hold up to scientific scrutiny) we can get on with the thread.

Since you seem to be more knowledgable, it could be easier if you tell us how FE holds up to scientific scrutiny and tell us the hypotheses that passed the tests of the scientific method.
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