Observational Evidence for a Round Earth

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Mrs. Peach

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Re: Observational Evidence for a Round Earth
« Reply #60 on: September 05, 2009, 11:23:32 PM »

...I am more intelligent than almost anybody who supports Flat Earth ....

May I ask you for supporting evidence for this claim?  

"The Earth is flat."
May I ask you for supporting evidence for this claim?  


Sorry, but that isn't evidence for your claim.  That's an attempt to avoid an answer.

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Re: Observational Evidence for a Round Earth
« Reply #61 on: September 05, 2009, 11:23:54 PM »
A PhD is a Doctorate of Philosophy, look it up.
Yes, the philosophy of science. Now do you have any evidence I am lying, or are you going to apologize?

Pic of the degree or it didn't happen. Oh, wait a minute, even if you post me a picture, I can just accuse you of photoshopping it to make it look real and discredit it entirely.

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Re: Observational Evidence for a Round Earth
« Reply #62 on: September 05, 2009, 11:24:31 PM »
The horizon is just how far you can see, which is influenced by many factors such as air density.

Also by the curvature of the Earth. Air is essentially transparent. No Earthly amount of air can completely obscure ones vision. Light-years away from us are several galaxies that we see in the night sky. are you claiming that they are all lying on the top of Earth's atmosphere? What makes Earth so special in that regard? Doesn't a more uniform universe make more sense from a scientific viewpoint.

Actually, air isn't transparent... you can't see forever. Also, you can't see galaxies several light years away... this is RET.

Earth is special. There really is nothing like it. It stands at the center of the universe and is the only thing in the universe that can support life. The entire universe exists for earth's benefit.

The Earth is round I am afraid

Do you have any evidence for this claim?
One can travel around the world from North to South, The Guiness Book of World Records has strict guidelines for these kinds of things, and as a successful company, is incredibly hard to keep quiet under your conspiracies.

What do you mean from north to south? Are you saying it isn't possible to travel from north to south in FE?

According to most FE models, North-South circumnavigation is impossible due to an ice wall.

It wouldn't be possible in RET either, because in RET the earth is spinning horizontally.

Geocentrism has also been essentially disproven by Copernicus.

Not so. http://www.geocentrism.com/

Try reason on for size. What exactly makes the Earth so special that it is the center of the universe?

Earth is special. There really is nothing like it. It stands at the center of the universe and is the only thing in the universe that can support life. The entire universe exists for earth's benefit.
If you say that the earth is flat, you are destroying centuries of evolution.

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Re: Observational Evidence for a Round Earth
« Reply #63 on: September 05, 2009, 11:25:38 PM »

...I am more intelligent than almost anybody who supports Flat Earth ....

May I ask you for supporting evidence for this claim?  

"The Earth is flat."
May I ask you for supporting evidence for this claim?  


Sorry, but that isn't evidence for your claim.  That's an attempt to avoid an answer.

I'll use your logic; you can't prove me wrong, so I must be right. I may not have hard evidence right now, but neither do you. neither of our arguments here are valid, I'll drop that remark, you drop FET.

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Re: Observational Evidence for a Round Earth
« Reply #64 on: September 05, 2009, 11:27:02 PM »
WHAT THE FUCK? You want him to drop FET on Flat Earth forums?
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Re: Observational Evidence for a Round Earth
« Reply #65 on: September 05, 2009, 11:27:20 PM »
The horizon is just how far you can see, which is influenced by many factors such as air density.

Also by the curvature of the Earth. Air is essentially transparent. No Earthly amount of air can completely obscure ones vision. Light-years away from us are several galaxies that we see in the night sky. are you claiming that they are all lying on the top of Earth's atmosphere? What makes Earth so special in that regard? Doesn't a more uniform universe make more sense from a scientific viewpoint.

Actually, air isn't transparent... you can't see forever. Also, you can't see galaxies several light years away... this is RET.

Earth is special. There really is nothing like it. It stands at the center of the universe and is the only thing in the universe that can support life. The entire universe exists for earth's benefit.

The Earth is round I am afraid

Do you have any evidence for this claim?
One can travel around the world from North to South, The Guiness Book of World Records has strict guidelines for these kinds of things, and as a successful company, is incredibly hard to keep quiet under your conspiracies.

What do you mean from north to south? Are you saying it isn't possible to travel from north to south in FE?

According to most FE models, North-South circumnavigation is impossible due to an ice wall.

It wouldn't be possible in RET either, because in RET the earth is spinning horizontally.

Geocentrism has also been essentially disproven by Copernicus.

Not so. http://www.geocentrism.com/

Try reason on for size. What exactly makes the Earth so special that it is the center of the universe?

Earth is special. There really is nothing like it. It stands at the center of the universe and is the only thing in the universe that can support life. The entire universe exists for earth's benefit.
Why? For it to be science it has to have a reason, why is Earth the only place that can support life? How do you know that there is not another place similar to Earth, with life like ours, or a radically different planet with radically different life forms?

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nerd51075

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Re: Observational Evidence for a Round Earth
« Reply #66 on: September 05, 2009, 11:28:00 PM »
WHAT THE FUCK? You want him to drop FET on Flat Earth forums?
Sounds ridiculous, huh? So does FET.

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Re: Observational Evidence for a Round Earth
« Reply #67 on: September 05, 2009, 11:28:42 PM »
A PhD is a Doctorate of Philosophy, look it up.
Yes, the philosophy of science. Now do you have any evidence I am lying, or are you going to apologize?

Pic of the degree or it didn't happen. Oh, wait a minute, even if you post me a picture, I can just accuse you of photoshopping it to make it look real and discredit it entirely.
I already requested for your fax line. Instead of apologizing, you are being intentionally obtuse. This is considered a very poor debate tactic.

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nerd51075

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Re: Observational Evidence for a Round Earth
« Reply #68 on: September 05, 2009, 11:29:27 PM »
A PhD is a Doctorate of Philosophy, look it up.
Yes, the philosophy of science. Now do you have any evidence I am lying, or are you going to apologize?

Pic of the degree or it didn't happen. Oh, wait a minute, even if you post me a picture, I can just accuse you of photoshopping it to make it look real and discredit it entirely.
I already requested for your fax line. Instead of apologizing, you are being intentionally obtuse. This is considered a very poor debate tactic.
I am afraid I do not own a fax machine. Do you own a scanner?

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Mrs. Peach

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Re: Observational Evidence for a Round Earth
« Reply #69 on: September 05, 2009, 11:29:59 PM »
May I ask you for supporting evidence for this claim?  


I'll use your logic; you can't prove me wrong, so I must be right. I may not have hard evidence right now, but neither do you. neither of our arguments here are valid, I'll drop that remark, you drop FET.

I have first-hand, direct evidence that the earth is flat.  All I have to do is to look at it.  

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Sean

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Re: Observational Evidence for a Round Earth
« Reply #70 on: September 05, 2009, 11:30:34 PM »
Stop quoting people for awhile please. What makes you think there is other life?

WHAT THE FUCK? You want him to drop FET on Flat Earth forums?
Sounds ridiculous, huh? So does FET.

We gave you our stance. You can stay and debate yours, post random shit in CN or... Leave
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Re: Observational Evidence for a Round Earth
« Reply #71 on: September 05, 2009, 11:31:49 PM »
A PhD is a Doctorate of Philosophy, look it up.
Yes, the philosophy of science. Now do you have any evidence I am lying, or are you going to apologize?

Pic of the degree or it didn't happen. Oh, wait a minute, even if you post me a picture, I can just accuse you of photoshopping it to make it look real and discredit it entirely.
I already requested for your fax line. Instead of apologizing, you are being intentionally obtuse. This is considered a very poor debate tactic.
I am afraid I do not own a fax machine. Do you own a scanner?
I do not. I invite you to come over here and I will show you the degree.

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nerd51075

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Re: Observational Evidence for a Round Earth
« Reply #72 on: September 05, 2009, 11:33:32 PM »
May I ask you for supporting evidence for this claim?  


I'll use your logic; you can't prove me wrong, so I must be right. I may not have hard evidence right now, but neither do you. neither of our arguments here are valid, I'll drop that remark, you drop FET.

I have first-hand, direct evidence that the earth is flat.  All I have to do is to look at it.  

You simply do not comprehend the scale of the size of the earth compared to you. The Earth is large enough that at ground level it appears flat. I'll use the horizon again. It is altered by distant, large objects, like skyscrapers and hills, allowing you to see beyond the curvature of the earth if you are looking at them, creating skylines.

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Re: Observational Evidence for a Round Earth
« Reply #73 on: September 05, 2009, 11:34:27 PM »
The horizon is just how far you can see, which is influenced by many factors such as air density.

Also by the curvature of the Earth. Air is essentially transparent. No Earthly amount of air can completely obscure ones vision. Light-years away from us are several galaxies that we see in the night sky. are you claiming that they are all lying on the top of Earth's atmosphere? What makes Earth so special in that regard? Doesn't a more uniform universe make more sense from a scientific viewpoint.

Actually, air isn't transparent... you can't see forever. Also, you can't see galaxies several light years away... this is RET.

Earth is special. There really is nothing like it. It stands at the center of the universe and is the only thing in the universe that can support life. The entire universe exists for earth's benefit.

The Earth is round I am afraid

Do you have any evidence for this claim?
One can travel around the world from North to South, The Guiness Book of World Records has strict guidelines for these kinds of things, and as a successful company, is incredibly hard to keep quiet under your conspiracies.

What do you mean from north to south? Are you saying it isn't possible to travel from north to south in FE?

According to most FE models, North-South circumnavigation is impossible due to an ice wall.

It wouldn't be possible in RET either, because in RET the earth is spinning horizontally.

Geocentrism has also been essentially disproven by Copernicus.

Not so. http://www.geocentrism.com/

Try reason on for size. What exactly makes the Earth so special that it is the center of the universe?

Earth is special. There really is nothing like it. It stands at the center of the universe and is the only thing in the universe that can support life. The entire universe exists for earth's benefit.
Why? For it to be science it has to have a reason, why is Earth the only place that can support life?

Because God made it so.

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How do you know that there is not another place similar to Earth, with life like ours, or a radically different planet with radically different life forms?

Because the earth is special. Planets cannot support life.
If you say that the earth is flat, you are destroying centuries of evolution.

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nerd51075

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Re: Observational Evidence for a Round Earth
« Reply #74 on: September 05, 2009, 11:35:12 PM »
I do not know absolutely if there is other life, but considering the massive size of the universe, odds are that there is life we do not know about elsewhere.

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Re: Observational Evidence for a Round Earth
« Reply #75 on: September 05, 2009, 11:36:20 PM »
Chill with the quotes please.
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Re: Observational Evidence for a Round Earth
« Reply #76 on: September 05, 2009, 11:37:30 PM »
@nerd51075 Will you apologize for saying that I do not have a degree in science?

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Mrs. Peach

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Re: Observational Evidence for a Round Earth
« Reply #77 on: September 05, 2009, 11:38:03 PM »

You simply do not comprehend the scale of the size of the earth compared to you. The Earth is large enough that at ground level it appears flat. I'll use the horizon again. It is altered by distant, large objects, like skyscrapers and hills, allowing you to see beyond the curvature of the earth if you are looking at them, creating skylines.

Large objects alter the horizon? How does that happen?  What about small objects?

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nerd51075

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Re: Observational Evidence for a Round Earth
« Reply #78 on: September 05, 2009, 11:38:07 PM »
The horizon is just how far you can see, which is influenced by many factors such as air density.

Also by the curvature of the Earth. Air is essentially transparent. No Earthly amount of air can completely obscure ones vision. Light-years away from us are several galaxies that we see in the night sky. are you claiming that they are all lying on the top of Earth's atmosphere? What makes Earth so special in that regard? Doesn't a more uniform universe make more sense from a scientific viewpoint.

Actually, air isn't transparent... you can't see forever. Also, you can't see galaxies several light years away... this is RET.

Earth is special. There really is nothing like it. It stands at the center of the universe and is the only thing in the universe that can support life. The entire universe exists for earth's benefit.

The Earth is round I am afraid

Do you have any evidence for this claim?
One can travel around the world from North to South, The Guiness Book of World Records has strict guidelines for these kinds of things, and as a successful company, is incredibly hard to keep quiet under your conspiracies.

What do you mean from north to south? Are you saying it isn't possible to travel from north to south in FE?

According to most FE models, North-South circumnavigation is impossible due to an ice wall.

It wouldn't be possible in RET either, because in RET the earth is spinning horizontally.

Geocentrism has also been essentially disproven by Copernicus.

Not so. http://www.geocentrism.com/

Try reason on for size. What exactly makes the Earth so special that it is the center of the universe?

Earth is special. There really is nothing like it. It stands at the center of the universe and is the only thing in the universe that can support life. The entire universe exists for earth's benefit.
Why? For it to be science it has to have a reason, why is Earth the only place that can support life?
Because God made it so.
What? God? "God did it." is not science. Science is natural. Science is explainable. God is neither.
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How do you know that there is not another place similar to Earth, with life like ours, or a radically different planet with radically different life forms?

Because the earth is special. Planets cannot support life.

Still no reason why.

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Re: Observational Evidence for a Round Earth
« Reply #79 on: September 05, 2009, 11:40:16 PM »

You simply do not comprehend the scale of the size of the earth compared to you. The Earth is large enough that at ground level it appears flat. I'll use the horizon again. It is altered by distant, large objects, like skyscrapers and hills, allowing you to see beyond the curvature of the earth if you are looking at them, creating skylines.

Large objects alter the horizon? How does that happen?  What about small objects?
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One can see certain objects that are beyond the horizon, simply because the are tall enough to jut above it. one can see mountains from several miles away, but people (your small object) disappear from sight either due to perspective, or larger, but still small, objects, like a 2 story house, vanish over the horizon.

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Re: Observational Evidence for a Round Earth
« Reply #80 on: September 05, 2009, 11:41:50 PM »
@nerd51075 Will you apologize for saying that I do not have a degree in science?

I have no verification that you do. Thus, I have every right to believe that you don't, right? Just like you have no absolute verification that the Earth is round, and do not believe that it is.

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Re: Observational Evidence for a Round Earth
« Reply #81 on: September 05, 2009, 11:44:10 PM »
It's nearly 3am here on the East coast, and I have to work tomorrow, I'll be back later to continue this right where we left off.

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Re: Observational Evidence for a Round Earth
« Reply #82 on: September 05, 2009, 11:44:38 PM »
@nerd51075 Will you apologize for saying that I do not have a degree in science?

I have no verification that you do. Thus, I have every right to believe that you don't, right? Just like you have no absolute verification that the Earth is round, and do not believe that it is.
I invited you to come here and see the degree personally. I'll even make cookies!

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Re: Observational Evidence for a Round Earth
« Reply #83 on: September 05, 2009, 11:46:04 PM »

One can see certain objects that are beyond the horizon, simply because the are tall enough to jut above it. one can see mountains from several miles away, but people (your small object) disappear from sight either due to perspective, or larger, but still small, objects, like a 2 story house, vanish over the horizon.

Or disappear because the topography around me is rather hilly.

You see, I would have to presume that people disappear because of the supposed curvature.  Presumption is not the same as direct evidence.

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Re: Observational Evidence for a Round Earth
« Reply #84 on: September 05, 2009, 11:46:38 PM »
Where you from on the east coast?
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Re: Observational Evidence for a Round Earth
« Reply #85 on: September 06, 2009, 12:15:53 AM »
What? God? "God did it." is not science. Science is natural. Science is explainable. God is neither. Still no reason why.

Excuse me for being blunt, but what the hell do you mean "why?"

You think the earth is a sphere, so WHY is that?

You say science is natural, so WHY is that?

You say science is explainable, so WHY is that?

You say earth isn't special, isn't the center of the universe, isn't the only thing that can support life, so WHY NOT?

You can keep saying why why why to everything until the end of time, and to each explanation you can say "why" again.

The earth is what it is, and that is why enough for me.
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If you say that the earth is flat, you are destroying centuries of evolution.

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Re: Observational Evidence for a Round Earth
« Reply #86 on: September 06, 2009, 12:22:07 AM »
I do not know absolutely if there is other life, but considering the massive size of the universe, odds are that there is life we do not know about elsewhere.

Why?

(You like the why game, right?)
If you say that the earth is flat, you are destroying centuries of evolution.

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Re: Observational Evidence for a Round Earth
« Reply #87 on: September 06, 2009, 12:32:37 AM »
One can travel around the world from North to South, The Guiness Book of World Records has strict guidelines for these kinds of things, and as a successful company, is incredibly hard to keep quiet under your conspiracies.

The Guinness Book of World Records is irrelevant to this discussion, as you have not cited it anywhere. Nor have you shown any sources for your claim about circumnavigating the world from north to south.

Some call it arrogance, i call it pride. It is possible to know this. It has been proven by Johannes Kepler, i believe, either that or he proved that this system was impossible.

Science does not prove things, it merely makes compelling statements about what is likely. I call it arrogance because you are so firmly dogmatic that what you have been told is true that your mind is completely closed to alternative suggestions.
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.

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Re: Observational Evidence for a Round Earth
« Reply #88 on: September 06, 2009, 02:23:35 AM »

Name something in RET that cannot be countered by FET

The general direction of the umbra and penumbra of a total solar eclipse is west to east and only rarely form the arc of a circle.

However, on a flat earth, with both the sun and moon circulating in the same direction the shadows from a total solar eclipse could only form an arc of a circle which would travel from east to west. Therefore the earth cannot be flat.

The FES cannot counter this argument.

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Re: Observational Evidence for a Round Earth
« Reply #89 on: September 06, 2009, 03:34:09 PM »
Blah Blah Blah Blah.  The still have yet to explain how one can take a pair of binoculars and see the distinct shape of the International Space Station....how you can see the distinct shape of the Shuttle, and how you can see them chasing each other right before and after docking.

Only responses I've seen to this question have been FE people degrading the ones asking the questions....because they know they are backed in a corner on this one and have nothing.

Please don't tell me about the blimps in the stratosphere...ISS has a very distinct and unique shape....which I've been watching change over the past few years with my own eyes...through my own binoculars.

I can just hear the collective FE wheels turning trying to figure out how they will get out of this corner....short of more insults....which many of you seem to thrive on when you do get backed into a corner.

Bunch of really worthless sad people...especially if this is all intended to just screw with people and get lather up.  I know people like that, they thrive on making other people pissed and miserable...because they hate themselves.  They are the miserable ones, and attempt to project it onto others, in hopes of feeling better about themselves.  May work in the short run...but will eat your soul over the long term.

Think about it....check the mirror....make sure you are a perfect person without mistakes, before you keep going with this nonsense.